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why do you support john kerry?

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will some of you libs please tell me why you will vote for john kerry BESIDES the whole 'anyone but bush' mantra you people have been spewing for god-only-knows how long?

i'm curious, because i have yet to see or hear him give people a reason to vote FOR him, instead of simply voting against bush.

name one reason people should vote for him other than him 'beating bush' (which will never, ever, ever happen...NEVER)

libs, dont forget to vote for nader. he has a chance this year, and he really needs your support.
 
He is running on a platform of college affordability, healthcare affordability, and improving the economy.

Basically his platform is all social welfare, and us stupid sheep love it.
 
p0ink said:
will some of you libs please tell me why you will vote for john kerry BESIDES the whole 'anyone but bush' mantra you people have been spewing for god-only-knows how long?

i'm curious, because i have yet to see or hear him give people a reason to vote FOR him, instead of simply voting against bush.

name one reason people should vote for him other than him 'beating bush' (which will never, ever, ever happen...NEVER)

libs, dont forget to vote for nader. he has a chance this year, and he really needs your support.
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Maybe what you don't understand is that Progressive liberals voted for Nadar last time because they were trying to get the mandatory 3% of the popular vote in order to get funding for the party. Also who would you vote for if you were a liberal? Someone who you only partly agree with or someone who agrees most with you on all the issues? I may vote for Bush just to give people something to revolt against when he continues to push his Chicken Hawking, christian, corporate agenda.
 
I guess I shouldn't answer on here since I'm not a "Lib".

However, my reasons for voting Kerry is very simple. We presently have a Republican controlled congress. By voting Kerry in, we can look forward to 4 years of deadlock instead of 4 more years of the same shit we have now.

My hope is that 4 years from now the Republicans can get a candidate who's worthing of voting for a Republican again. In the mean time, I'll continue voting for Libertarian candidates in local elections.
 
Because Bush sucks. In every single aspect of his term, he has yet to do one thing right.
 
Testosterone boy said:
What a paradox that Bush is now portrayed as the patriot, Kerry put his life on the line dozens of times while Bush went AWOL.


Franklin, Washigton, Jefferson, Adams, hamilton, Hancock and a host of others were also known to question authority.

p0ink and his ilk are nothing but latter day Tory's.
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p0ink and his ilk are nothing but latter day Tory's.
 
bush was never AWOL. bush, UNLIKE KERRY, actually released his entire military record, because he has nothing to hide.

oh, i forgot, john kerry is a war hero...but wait, he also said he was a war criminal back in the 70's..but wait again, now he says he is a war hero. he joined the military, but later condemned them with jane fonda, now he praises the military, yet refuses to fund it...wow, he is real loyal to his brothers in green.
 
Testosterone boy said:
Franklin, Washigton, Jefferson, Adams, hamilton, Hancock and a host of others were also known to question authority.
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you don't know a god damn thing about our founding father or their ideals, because if you did, you would never allign yourself with and agree with an anti personal freedom, anti-gun, anti-military, pro-heavy-taxation, pro-socialist, pro big government candidate like john kerry.

whenever the liberals call on the names of jefferson, franklin, or paine, it makes me sick. have you even read 'common sense' or 'the rights of man'?

moron.
 
p0ink said:
bush was never AWOL. bush, UNLIKE KERRY, actually released his entire military record, because he has nothing to hide.

oh, i forgot, john kerry is a war hero...but wait, he also said he was a war criminal back in the 70's..but wait again, now he says he is a war hero. he joined the military, but later condemned them with jane fonda, now he praises the military, yet refuses to fund it...wow, he is real loyal to his brothers in green.
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Ok, I'm calling bullshit on this particular argument. He can praise the military and refuse to fund a war in Iraq and not be contradictory.

Voting against funding of the military operation in Iraq is a vote against the military operation in Iraq. At the point the President and the miliatary does not have the funding of OUR TAXPAYER dollars to fund that war, then it will end.

Supporting out troops and military has nothing to do with the support of any aggression by the US.
 
strongsmartsexy said:
Ok, I'm calling bullshit on this particular argument. He can praise the military and refuse to fund a war in Iraq and not be contradictory.

Voting against funding of the military operation in Iraq is a vote against the military operation in Iraq. At the point the President and the miliatary does not have the funding of OUR TAXPAYER dollars to fund that war, then it will end.

Supporting out troops and military has nothing to do with the support of any aggression by the US.
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he voted for the war in iraq, yet he refuses to fund it? he bitches about our troops not having the supplies they need, but yet, once again, he refused to fund them to buy the the supplies they need.

sorry, you can't have your cake and eat it too.
 
p0ink said:
he voted for the war in iraq, yet he refuses to fund it? he bitches about our troops not having the supplies they need, but yet, once again, he refused to fund them to buy the the supplies they need.

sorry, you can't have your cake and eat it too.
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I initially thought going to war was good when I was lied to by the President of the United States about them having WMD and connections to al-Queda. I no longer support that war or the lying president and his administration.

If the 87billion dollar funding hadn't been approved, how would the war have been funded? It couldn't have. The miliatary would have had to pull out. That is supporting the military.

Unless what you're saying is that by funding the hostility that keeps on killing off our soldiers for a war we shouldn't been in is supporting our military.
 
p0ink said:
bush was never AWOL. bush, UNLIKE KERRY, actually released his entire military record, because he has nothing to hide.
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Bro, I like you. Seriously. But you are completely, utterly wrong here.

And Kerry's military record is available. It is on his website. All 120+ pages of it. Kerry's supervisors had nothing but glowing remarks about him. Unlike bush's who couldn't recall seeing him at training.
 
strongsmartsexy said:
I initially thought going to war was good when I was lied to by the President of the United States about them having WMD and connections to al-Queda. I no longer support that war or the lying president and his administration.

If the 87billion dollar funding hadn't been approved, how would the war have been funded? It couldn't have. The miliatary would have had to pull out. That is supporting the military.

Unless what you're saying is that by funding the hostility that keeps on killing off our soldiers for a war we shouldn't been in is supporting our military.
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you HONESTLY believe saddam hussein destroyed all of his chemical/bio weapons because of a UN mandate? you HONESTLY believe countless intelligence agencies from all over the world were wrong about saddam hussein WMD's? did you forget about him using them against iran and his own people? yet, you still say bush was/is lying about saddam having WMD's?

did you forget that searching a country the size of california is not exactly the easiest of tasks? did you forget that saddam had 12+ years to hide these?

give me a break.

ok, so if kerry wants to vote against funding the military, and, in turn, put the lives of american soldiers in needless jeopardy, then that's his perogative. but if he is going to vote against funding, then he shouldnt be bitching about our troops not having the supplies they need and them having to buy their own flak vests, because it is people LIKE HIM that kept troops from getting the supplies they need.
 
AAP said:
Bro, I like you. Seriously. But you are completely, utterly wrong here.

And Kerry's military record is available. It is on his website. All 120+ pages of it. Kerry's supervisors had nothing but glowing remarks about him. Unlike bush's who couldn't recall seeing him at training.
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i like you too...this isnt a personal thing at all. just politics as usual.

kerry's entire military record is not available. that is just select parts of it, even his own aides admitted it.
 
strongsmartsexy said:
However, my reasons for voting Kerry is very simple. We presently have a Republican controlled congress. By voting Kerry in, we can look forward to 4 years of deadlock instead of 4 more years of the same shit we have now.

My hope is that 4 years from now the Republicans can get a candidate who's worthing of voting for a Republican again. In the mean time, I'll continue voting for Libertarian candidates in local elections.
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This is my reason for voting dem this year as well. I don't particularly like Kerry, though his military record is a definate plus IMHO, but I want Bush and company OUT, and the only realistic way to do that is to vote for Kerry. Hopefully in 4 years we will have a real Republican in, not this semi-socialist religious NWO nutcase we have now.
 
p0ink said:
you HONESTLY believe saddam hussein destroyed all of his chemical/bio weapons because of a UN mandate? you HONESTLY believe countless intelligence agencies from all over the world were wrong about saddam hussein WMD's? did you forget about him using them against iran and his own people? yet, you still say bush was/is lying about saddam having WMD's?

did you forget that searching a country the size of california is not exactly the easiest of tasks? did you forget that saddam had 12+ years to hide these?
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Gee and imagine this. All of that worldwide expertise, incredible intelligence minds, and a year hasn't lead to even a single credible instance of WMD in the country. Gee, imagine that! How could they have eluded our overwhelming intelligence community let alone the worldwide intelligence community! *gasp* :rolleyes:

You seem to have the timetable of when he used them against his own people and Iran very confused with the timetable since the first Gulf War. Yes, he had weapons back then. He doesn't appear to have them now though. Imagine that. I believe that the UN inspectors have told the UN and us pretty much the same thing.

Yes, he lied to us.

p0ink said:
give me a break.
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Why?



p0ink said:
ok, so if kerry wants to vote against funding the military, and, in turn, put the lives of american soldiers in needless jeopardy, then that's his perogative. but if he is going to vote against funding, then he shouldnt be bitching about our troops not having the supplies they need and them having to buy their own flak vests, because it is people LIKE HIM that kept troops from getting the supplies they need.
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I absolutely agree with you that the lives of the American soldiers are in needless jeopardy. As soon as they leave Iraq they'll no longer be in needless jeopardy.

It's people like you and the lying Bush administration that keeps our troops in jeopardy by continuing to support the war in Iraq which should not have occured in the first place.

If I recall, the congress passed an 87billion dollar funding. Are you telling me that the Bush administration is so inept at handling the money that has been appropriated as to not be giving the military what they need to keep our soldiers safe? Gee, yet another reason to get Bush out...
 
p0ink said:
i like you too...this isnt a personal thing at all. just politics as usual.

kerry's entire military record is not available. that is just select parts of it, even his own aides admitted it.
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you have a link to that?
 
strongsmartsexy said:
I guess I shouldn't answer on here since I'm not a "Lib".

However, my reasons for voting Kerry is very simple. We presently have a Republican controlled congress. By voting Kerry in, we can look forward to 4 years of deadlock instead of 4 more years of the same shit we have now.

My hope is that 4 years from now the Republicans can get a candidate who's worthing of voting for a Republican again. In the mean time, I'll continue voting for Libertarian candidates in local elections.
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While passing bills through Congress may be deadlocked, this does not restrain the power of executive order, which the President still retains. Clinton demonstrated the use of this ill-defined authority to usurp the authority of Congress on numerous occasions.
 
p0ink said:
you HONESTLY believe saddam hussein destroyed all of his chemical/bio weapons because of a UN mandate? you HONESTLY believe countless intelligence agencies from all over the world were wrong about saddam hussein WMD's? did you forget about him using them against iran and his own people? yet, you still say bush was/is lying about saddam having WMD's?
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exactly how many intelligence agencies make out "countless"? The UK and the US? From what is coming out now, a lot of it was based on assumptions and bullshit from guys like Cahelbi, and if you know anything about that guy you'd at least do your homework after you got intelligence from him. I don't know about you, but when the administration says that Saddam has WMD, and can use them is a short amount of time, and uses the term "imminent threat", and has a billion dollar network of spy satellites, they GODDAMN better know exactly where those WMD's are. This isn't some sort of game. People died because of these assumptions. People are dying right now because of them. And that's piss poor.
 
p0ink said:
bush was never AWOL. bush, UNLIKE KERRY, actually released his entire military record, because he has nothing to hide.

oh, i forgot, john kerry is a war hero...but wait, he also said he was a war criminal back in the 70's..but wait again, now he says he is a war hero. he joined the military, but later condemned them with jane fonda, now he praises the military, yet refuses to fund it...wow, he is real loyal to his brothers in green.
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Yeah but at least he isn't a bedroom comando like most people. Give him credit, the man got 3 purple heart, one silver star and one braonze star.
 
atlantabiolab said:
While passing bills through Congress may be deadlocked, this does not restrain the power of executive order, which the President still retains. Clinton demonstrated the use of this ill-defined authority to usurp the authority of Congress on numerous occasions.
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You mean like Bush is doing now with appointing judges while congress is out of session and such?
 
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