Why chose UG over Pharmaceutical grade AAS???

[Juice Authority]

If one has the option between UG and Pharmaceutical grade and money wasn't an issue why the on earth would they chose UG?? I chose UG for the high mg/ml content. Well, that was mistake. My last UG based cycle ended me up in a medical detox but then again I was also withdrawing from Xanax and Valium. My point is this: Pharmaceutical companies have quality controls in place to ensure consistency in a sterile environment.


UG products in many ways are the equivalent of bathtub gin. Bathtub gin still gets you drunk but what about the purity of the gin?? How well is the gin distilled? The same concept applies to UG labs. It's relatively easy to make AAS from powders but how sterile is the environment in which they're made? How good are they at balancing BB/BA levels? What types of quality controls do they have in place for ensuring consistency in their products? BigAndy touched on some of these issues in his recent post.

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=282553

So let's hear the arguements Pro and Con.

 

[Dial_tone]

I feel the same way, but so far I haven't used any UG stuff except for Fina that I made myself.

 

[Juice Authority]

I feel the same way, but so far I haven't used any UG stuff except for Fina that I made myself.

Pharmaceutical grade, low-dosed short cycles (no more than 6 weeks) is all I'll consider doing in the future. I never had the same type of post cycle crashes as I've had since I started using UG products. I mean it's your body. Don't you want the assurance that what you're putting in it is what it's supposed to be? I would think so. There is no way of knowing for sure how the lab processes and makes these products. It's an unsafe bet IMO.

 

[genarr3]

I'm not a UG basher, nor am I a fan. I stick to major pharm lab products. That's the way I do it, to each his own.

 

[Juice Authority]

I'm not a UG basher, nor am I a fan. I stick to major pharm lab products. That's the way I do it, to each his own.

I'm not bashing them. BL is one of the best out there. Supra is also very good. I'm just saying for me I'll stick with products made by well-known "legitimate" pharmaceutical companies from now on. I just thought I'd share my view on the topic.

 

[Quadsweep]

With the exception of the T 300 prop combo from BL (I have loved all their othr stuff) I have no complaints about the UG gear I have used. Good price and dosed well it seems.

Quad

 

[_Yossarian_]

The only way Id go underground is if I couldnt find its pharm grade equivalent. Why take the risk? Except perhaps for aromatise inhibitors. the price difference is just ridiculous..

 

[psychedout]

and money wasn't an issue

The problem is that money is an issue. And I can 100% say there are some UG labs that I do trust fully.

If money wasn't an issue, of course I would use human grade stuff, but it is.

 

[Juice Authority]

Re: Re: Why chose UG over Pharmaceutical grade AAS???

The problem is that money is an issue. And I can 100% say there are some UG labs that I do trust fully.

If money wasn't an issue, of course I would use human grade stuff, but it is.

Without getting into great detail the cost difference between UG and euro products isn't that significant. Upjohn products aren't that expensive ether. Unless you're directly involved with the lab, have a background in biochem and know their sterilization process how can say that you trust them 100%? Even BL put out products that crashed in the past. IP has always been inconsistent. You saw what happened to BDL and RSOC. A lab report may say that it's 300mg's/ml but how pure is it?

 

[Stryker1992]

JA-
I completely undertsand the argument you are making but there are good ug labs and your crash had a hell of a lot more to do with narcotics use than gear.

I would just be careful not to blame that situation on the lab. All do respect your own habits seem to be a major factor here!

Best of luck.

stryker

 

[psychedout]

Re: Re: Re: Why chose UG over Pharmaceutical grade AAS???

Without getting into great detail the cost difference between UG and euro products isn't that significant. Upjohn products aren't that expensive ether. Unless you're directly involved with the lab, have a background in biochem and know their sterilization process how can say that you trust them 100%? Even BL put out products that crashed in the past. IP has always been inconsistent. You saw what happened to BDL and RSOC. A lab report may say that it's 300mg's/ml but how pure is it?

You do have some very good points -- to each his own.

I do suppose you never know for sure what goes on at an UG lab, but there are a few I trust nonetheless.

 

[stonecold54]

I am just going to make my own from now on, that way I know whats in it.

 

[Juice Authority]

JA-
I completely undertsand the argument you are making but there are good ug labs and your crash had a hell of a lot more to do with narcotics use than gear.

I would just be careful not to blame that situation on the lab. All do respect your own habits seem to be a major factor here!

Best of luck.

stryker

I know the difference between a crash from AAS and withdrawal from narcotics - in my case benzodiazepines (although what I was taking is not classified as a narcotic).

http://www.xanaxinfo.com/

Unfortunately I was dealing with both at the same time. Once the AAS began to clear it was a lot easier to deal with the crash. I'm not blaming the lab even though they are not around anymore - BDL. I'm just saying after further review and past experience I personally chose to go with pharmacuetical grade products over UG for the reasons stated above.

 

[Stryker1992]

okay bro, I agree with that.

 

[BigAndy69]

Well, I'm certainly not UG lab basher, but some of the people on the board try to promote it as better than Human Grade which I find laughable.

UG products should be used only if money is a serious concern as well as availabillity.

If it's costing you $85 for a vial of UG enanthate, don't use it! It's not worth it. Get some human grade with the peace of mind it comes with.

Of course there are advantages to UG such as cheap injectable winny and suspension as well as exotic steroids like Fina, Masteron, Eq which have no human grade equivalent anyway.

People need to realise that although there are some great UG labs outhere, Human Grade will always be better, anybody who says otherwise is full of shit.

Read the final section in my UG faq to find out how to spot a good UG lab

 

[Juice Authority]

Well, I'm certainly not UG lab basher, but some of the people on the board try to promote it as better than Human Grade which I find laughable.

UG products should be used only if money is a serious concern as well as availabillity.

If it's costing you $85 for a vial of UG enanthate, don't use it! It's not worth it. Get some human grade with the peace of mind it comes with.

Of course there are advantages to UG such as cheap injectable winny and suspension as well as exotic steroids like Fina, Masteron, Eq which have no human grade equivalent anyway.

People need to realise that although there are some great UG labs outhere, Human Grade will always be better, anybody who says otherwise is full of shit.

Read the final section in my UG faq to find out how to spot a good UG lab

Excellent points. I still plan to use Supra's Masteron and BL's EQ at a later date since I have it but for most part, if there's a human grade equivalent I'll go with that since cost is not a factor when it comes to my body. Plus, the cost is not that big of a difference. QV is also an inexpensive option for EQ but it's vet gear. I still would prefer Vet gear EQ to UG EQ for the same reasons although Vet gear is not held to the same standard as human grade gear. There really is no "human grade" EQ.

 

[Dr. M]

I agree with Andy insofar as using UG products should be a last resort when money/availability of legitimate Pharma gear is low. There are many quality UG labs out there, and once you find a quality lab which you trust and whose products are top-notch you can be golden...

... that said, a wrong turn and a bro who doesn't care about the lives of his users can land you in the hospital with some sort of sepsis or worse.

Working in a research environment which most often requires very good aseptic technique, I understand many of the difficulties UG labs face regarding sterility. Because of this, I'm very careful whose products I'll shoot. If I ask a bro what an autoclave is and he says "uh, something that claves stuff automatically", that's the end of our conversations and/or my use of their product.

Contamination is a huge issue - both biological AND chemical - when manufacturing injectables. Trust your lab, or don't use them.

-M

 

[BigAndy69]

Excellent points. I still plan to use Supra's Masteron and BL's EQ at a later date since I have it but for most part, if there's a human grade equivalent I'll go with that since cost is not a factor when it comes to my body. Plus, the cost is not that big of a difference. QV is also an inexpensive option for EQ but it's vet gear. I still would prefer Vet gear EQ to UG EQ for the same reasons although Vet gear is not held to the same standard as human grade gear. There really is no "human grade" EQ.

Actually, you are partially wrong about the Eq. Vet grade in countries like Canada, USA, England have very high standards and can be considered as good as human grade

In Canada we have some QUALITY EQ, Winny, Suspension.

Solvay, Wyeth Eq all of them are 50mg/50ml...but they are VERY pricey and hard to find (many fakes)

The Eq(2.5g) goes for 300-400 whereas UG Eq (2g) goes for half or less.

 

[Juice Authority]

Actually, you are partially wrong about the Eq. Vet grade in countries like Canada, USA, England have very high standards and can be considered as good as human grade

In Canada we have some QUALITY EQ, Winny, Suspension.

Solvay, Wyeth Eq all of them are 50mg/50ml...but they are VERY pricey and hard to find (many fakes)

The Eq(2.5g) goes for 300-400 whereas UG Eq (2g) goes for half or less.

My favorite EQ has always been Ganabol 50mg/ml. It's made in Mexico and is considered Vet gear but the lab that makes it - Laboratories V.M. - has always put out quality products. Here's a pic.

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/steroid-photographs/boldenone/ganabol.htm

 

[Quadsweep]

Well, I'm certainly not UG lab basher, but some of the people on the board try to promote it as better than Human Grade which I find laughable.

UG products should be used only if money is a serious concern as well as availabillity.

If it's costing you $85 for a vial of UG enanthate, don't use it! It's not worth it. Get some human grade with the peace of mind it comes with.

Of course there are advantages to UG such as cheap injectable winny and suspension as well as exotic steroids like Fina, Masteron, Eq which have no human grade equivalent anyway.

People need to realise that although there are some great UG labs outhere, Human Grade will always be better, anybody who says otherwise is full of shit.

Read the final section in my UG faq to find out how to spot a good UG lab

That was said perfectly!

Quad

 

[alltraps]

it seems that UG products are so much easier to find, in canada anyways. yes, EURO gear is around, but price is usualy clost to bouble, and availability is unpredictable. but given the choice, IF MONEY was not an issue, i would use human grade for sure.

this is why i have a gambling problem! i need cash for human grade

 

[rjl296]

you could make your own.

 

[Juice Authority]

you could make your own.

That would definitely be the most cost-effective route but there are too many variables for me to play chemist with my own body. I would even rather pay more and buy Fina already made.

 

[Goldprospector]

I just ordered the BL EQ...I thought it would be the best option. I have the QV's and a lot of other stuff availible, but I had just read so many good reports about BL. Quad's post about a painful blend was the first that I had heard of it but it may have been a batch problem...who know's?
Anyway, I intend to bake it but that's about all.

 

[BigAndy69]

I just ordered the BL EQ...I thought it would be the best option. I have the QV's and a lot of other stuff availible, but I had just read so many good reports about BL. Quad's post about a painful blend was the first that I had heard of it but it may have been a batch problem...who know's?
Anyway, I intend to bake it but that's about all.

Batches differ since they are made seperately with minimal quality control (although BL is certainly one of the better labs outhere)

 

[needsize]

The same concerns about UG gear can happen with human grade as well...it was pretty recently that an entire batch of ICNs, the rolls royce of enthates, was underdosed. And lucky me i had that batch number.
With all the bathtub operations popping up every day, its tough to trust UG gear, and some of the new ones have some pretty good prices, almost too good to be true.
Thats why I just stick with what I know works, and as long as I keep improving then I am happy

 

[JerseyDevil]

I'm not a UG basher, nor am I a fan. I stick to major pharm lab products. That's the way I do it, to each his own.

same here... i wont even touch IP

 

[Juice Authority]

The same concerns about UG gear can happen with human grade as well...it was pretty recently that an entire batch of ICNs, the rolls royce of enthates, was underdosed. And lucky me i had that batch number.
With all the bathtub operations popping up every day, its tough to trust UG gear, and some of the new ones have some pretty good prices, almost too good to be true.
Thats why I just stick with what I know works, and as long as I keep improving then I am happy

I agree with your comments above. However, most UG products "work" as far as gains are concerned but the point I was trying to raise was the inherent problems with quality controls once demand picks up. Proline would be an excellent example of that. Demand for his products spread like wildfire, which lead to a supply side shortage. Orders were rushed; quality and sterility were compromised, which lead to product inconsistency. Proline was known for his high dosed mg/ml products, which were most likely handled by substandard machinery. As BigAndy pointed out earlier, the high mg/ml products are not made by sophisticated lab processing equipment. Most people like myself were oblivious to that fact and ordered simply b/c they were fixated on the high concentration advertised on his list of products.

 

[needsize]

I've always been leary of the high mg per ml stuff anyway. Most of it seems to hurt like a bitch, also, it seems like a lot of it tests out no where near label claims. With the amount on injects I end up doing anyway, high dosed stuff wouldnt help much anyway

 

[Lift Chief]

Getting powder from a trusted supplier and making your own seems to be one of the better ways of being assured you are getting potent gear.

 

[Dial_tone]

What human-grade gear is left out there?
This UG stuff is a pretty new game to me. My last go-round was pre 1991 so all my usage was the real deal.

 

[chordz]

You can get UG Primobolan now. At least you know it is Primo.

 

[Juice Authority]

You can get UG Primobolan now. At least you know it is Primo.

Yeah I know and I wouldnt touch that Primo with a 10ft pole. Look at RSOC's Primo. It tested out to not contain any anabolic compound whatsoever. Sydgroup supposed makes a 100mg/ml Primo. Not for me. I'll stick with Scherring Primo amps from Turkey. At least I know for a fact they are real.

 

[Milf_Hunter]

If one has the option between UG and Pharmaceutical grade and money wasn't an issue why the on earth would they chose UG?? I chose UG for the high mg/ml content. Well, that was mistake. My last UG based cycle ended me up in a medical detox but then again I was also withdrawing from Xanax and Valium. My point is this: Pharmaceutical companies have quality controls in place to ensure consistency in a sterile environment.


UG products in many ways are the equivalent of bathtub gin. Bathtub gin still gets you drunk but what about the purity of the gin?? How well is the gin distilled? The same concept applies to UG labs. It's relatively easy to make AAS from powders but how sterile is the environment in which they're made? How good are they at balancing BB/BA levels? What types of quality controls do they have in place for ensuring consistency in their products? BigAndy touched on some of these issues in his recent post.

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=282553

So let's hear the arguements Pro and Con.

Detox?? WTF does that have to do with anabolics?
You are a moron. Case closed.

 

[MR Pink]

You guys are only talking about injects but what about orals? do you feel the same way about that to?

Mr Pink

 

[Quadsweep]

Re: Re: Why chose UG over Pharmaceutical grade AAS???

Detox?? WTF does that have to do with anabolics?
You are a moron. Case closed.

You did not read his post very well. Do not come on here calling A member like JA a moron without understanding what he is saying.

Quad

 

[xsnrg]

We all do things every day that arnt in our best intrests.How many people out there smoke cigarettes,smoke dope,snort coke,do prescription drug,shoot heroin............and the list goes on and on.Well i dont do any of those,my drug of choice are steroids.As far as trusting UG vs Human im going to go with UG.The way I look at it is how do i know that some plant in a 3rd world country is going to adhere to the rules laid down to make steroids.And say you do get fake human gear,who knows what the fuck is in it and what risks your taking.With my UG lab of choice i am fully confident that the powders used are real(as per SRCS) and that great measures are taken to insure that its as safe product.(they clean the bathtub thoroughly )Life is about informed choices,and i choose UG.

 

[Juice Authority]

Re: Re: Re: Why chose UG over Pharmaceutical grade AAS???

You did not read his post very well. Do not come on here calling A member like JA a moron without understanding what he is saying.

Quad

Thanks Quad. I appreciate that.

 

[Juice Authority]

Re: Re: Why chose UG over Pharmaceutical grade AAS???

Detox?? WTF does that have to do with anabolics?
You are a moron. Case closed.

Actually the hormonal imbalances that AAS creates and the toxicity factor to the liver that causes elevated liver values with the increase in LDL and decrease of HDL cholesterol levels all contribute to the detox the body goes through post cycle. Blood pressure is usally above normal. The resting heart rate is above normal to where some experience floating panic attacks post cyle. That's just the physcial part. A whole book could be written about the psychological, emotional and mental impact of AAS ones goes through post cycle.

 

[BigAndy69]

A few points to consider here.

ICN's are the single exception that I've heard of in my many years in this game.

Organon, BM pharmaceuticals India, BD, UpJohn, Schering, BTG, Jelfa...Never had a problem with these brands.

Sure there are fakes, but most of us have access to the real deal very easily. When you get a fake, you can usually tell right away before you use it. As far as UG, you can't tell until you use it. 3-5 weeks of supplements, gear, time, $ wasted and all you have to show for it is an increase in fat mass.

I never had problems with UG because I test everything before it goes into my body. Most people don't have that opportunity.

SOME PEOPLE NEED TO WAKE UP! SOME OF YOU THINK UG IS BETTER THAN HUMAN GRADE?!?! STOP LYING TO YOURSELVES.

Btw, RSOC Primo, IMO it's just a little NPP.

 

[Dial_tone]

The old DDR compounds in the early 80's were the greatest travesty of all time as far as fakes go. 30cc vials sold for over $200 at a time when you could buy real test for 1/3 the price all day long. It turned out to be Deca and not much else.

 

[xsnrg]

"When you get a fake, you can usually tell right away before you use it. As far as UG, you can't tell until you use it."

I agree mostly to what you say BigAndy69,except for the above statement.Fake steroids are made to pass as the real thing,weather its Human or UG.

 

[BigAndy69]

xsnrg,

You are more likely to spot a HG fake than a UG fake

I'm not talking about some counterfeiter copying a UG brand. Of course it would be easier to do; I'm talking about the actually lab pumping out underdosed products or fakes. How can you tell without a lab test? They would have the same labels, you would get it from the same guy.

 

[psychedout]

Andy. I have a question.

How is the machinery required to make high dosage stuff different than the machinery used to make low does stuff?

Is it simply that the process for low dose stuff needs to be quicker because a source can't pump out as much low dosed gear? i.e. a vial of 200mg/ml stuff will run out before a vial of 500mg/ml stuff -- therefore a souce producing higher does gear won't need as many vials.

Just what is different about the machinery?

 

[BigAndy69]

Andy. I have a question.

How is the machinery required to make high dosage stuff different than the machinery used to make low does stuff?

Is it simply that the process for low dose stuff needs to be quicker because a source can't pump out as much low dosed gear? i.e. a vial of 200mg/ml stuff will run out before a vial of 500mg/ml stuff -- therefore a souce producing higher does gear won't need as many vials.

Just what is different about the machinery?

Machine vial filling vs Hand vial filling.

One requires an expensive setup, another one requires a pipet..lol

Liters of gear/oil is mixed together and then either filled by hand or by machine.

Now, assuming you don't have the machine what's easier to do:

1000g of test

200mg/ml, 10ml (2g) - 500 vials

400mg/ml, 20ml - 125 vials

So if 500 vials takes 10 hours to fill and crimper, 125 vials would take 2.5 hours to do.

Also it produces less stock - easier transportation.

Vials are very easy to come by, we are talking about time and consequently MONEY

The best way is to get a machine vial filling system but it is pricey and most operations are a guy doing shit in his dorm room

 

[Whiskey]

I will go with HG when the price is right... however bob barker isn't always around and I go with the ol' home brew. have used UG test twice and no problems to report, but maybe I was lucky.
I too do worryy about the health concerns of UG, but I guess that I am too young and dum right now to care.

Someday I will try to make test on my own... until then I am sticking with my fina and whatever is affordable.

I do understand your thoughts, concerns and points that you are making Juice, but right now in this stage of life, I am still going to take my chances. Maybe someday I will wise up.

Whiskey

Whiskey

 

[psychedout]

Thank- you andy. Karma.

 

[needsize]

Okay, heres my question, I would never say that UG is better than HG, but what makes HG so much better. Say on one hand I have 1ml of human grade enth than contains 200mg, in the other I have 1ml of UG enth, its also tests out to 200mg, has no extra BA in it and doesnt hurt to shoot, what makes the HG better?

 

[Dial_tone]

Okay, heres my question, I would never say that UG is better than HG, but what makes HG so much better. Say on one hand I have 1ml of human grade enth than contains 200mg, in the other I have 1ml of UG enth, its also tests out to 200mg, has no extra BA in it and doesnt hurt to shoot, what makes the HG better?

The comfort of knowing the HG doesn't have any poop in it?

 

[Texas Ranger]

Needsize, I'd have to say the major difference is quality control. You're paying extra for the name and praying to God that it's not fake.

 

[Juice Authority]

This has turned into a great discussion thread. A lot of ground has been covered both Pro and Con as far as UG lab products go. It's threads like this that make this site superior to all the rest. A special thanks to BigAdndy and needsize. You guys both brought up some excellent points worth considering.

 

[needsize]

Needsize, I'd have to say the major difference is quality control. You're paying extra for the name and praying to God that it's not fake.

is that like paying twice as much for the Nikes, that are identicle to the shoes on the next shelf over with just a different name????

 

[Dial_tone]

Is it any different than dating a fake blonde as opposed to a real blonde? I find dark roots kinda sexy personally.
Get real gear if the price is close or if it just works better for you.

 

[spentagn]

is that like paying twice as much for the Nikes, that are identicle to the shoes on the next shelf over with just a different name????

No, it's like paying for cognac instead of moonshine. You are assured the product is made under sterile conditions and will have a significantly decreased risk of contamination.

 

[patricktschafer]

Red Star products all the way

 

[nadr7891]

i've been around for much less time than most of you guys but i've got some BL prop on the way and it's the first and only time i'll use either UG or Vet grade stuff, simply because it's only prop, has a short half life and Radar and Sofa have totally thumbs upped it. as for all the other stuff i just don't have the balls. except for some orals, of course.

Nadr

 

[BigAndy69]

Okay, heres my question, I would never say that UG is better than HG, but what makes HG so much better. Say on one hand I have 1ml of human grade enth than contains 200mg, in the other I have 1ml of UG enth, its also tests out to 200mg, has no extra BA in it and doesnt hurt to shoot, what makes the HG better?

There are many differences, some of which I have trouble understanding. I've talked to a few guys in the know.

The most obvious is the QUALITY and PURITY of the active ingredient. Also a big one is the quality of the solvents used as well as efficient delivery system(especially in regards to tabs)

The shape, coating, fillers..etc of a tab can influence uptake.

Also, there's the issue of getting your steroids from a legit billion dollar pharmaceutical company vs a steroid counterfeiter. lol There's no way anybody can say there is no difference

 

[DaddyX]

of course human grade is better. there really isnt an argument of which one to choose if money isnt an issue

 

[eviction]

consider anything you buy before christmas a gift from santa, spoil yourself with the good stuff

 

[BigAndy69]

of course human grade is better. there really isnt an argument of which one to choose if money isnt an issue

Beleive it or not, some people think UG is better.

 

[eviction]

Beleive it or not, some people think UG is better.

isn't there a possibility that some UG is close to HG though? There has to be some high quality UG labs out there

 

[eviction]

Beleive it or not, some people think UG is better.

I would assume a percentage of these people would say it is better just because it is cheaper.. maybe they are going for the "bang for the buck" theory

 

[BigAndy69]

isn't there a possibility that some UG is close to HG though? There has to be some high quality UG labs out there

Yes, it is possible.

I'm talking about people who want to save money and say to themselves that it's better than HG.

There's nothing wrong with saving money, not all of us can afford HG, but you are only lying to yourself if you think it is better.

 

[Juice Authority]

One other major consideration for going UG over HG is for the exotic blends that don't have a HG equivalent. BL and Supra are known for this. Another would be for products that have been discontinued - i.e. Parabolan (Supra or BL's TrenEnathate) and Masteron (Supra). I would personally steer cleer from going UG for products like Winstrol, Deca, Test, Anadrol, Anavar, D-bol and Primobolan - all of which have a HG equivalent. There is not a significant price difference in buying the HG version of any of these products imo but everyone's opinion will vary on this and be subject to availability, resources and contacts.

Now UG labs have entered the HGH arena. Supra has a long-acting GH similar to Nutropin Depot made by Genetech. I have some but I have yet to use until the product is further evaluated. Nutropin Depot, on the other hand, is FDA approved and has been recognized by medical community as a safe alternative to daily injections. I recently posted a thread about this but I don't have an opinion either way. There is however a notable price difference between the two.

 

[Juice Authority]

Also, there's the issue of getting your steroids from a legit billion dollar pharmaceutical company vs a steroid counterfeiter. lol There's no way anybody can say there is no difference

I think the whole debate could be summed up in the above comments. My sentiments exactly.

 

[needsize]

I think the whole debate could be summed up in the above comments. My sentiments exactly.

but whatever this difference is, will it affect my growth that much. I cant see how I could have possibly added any more mass to my frame if I had of gone with HG instead of UG, in the 2.5 years that I have been juicing. I have completely transformed my physique in that time to the point where I dont even look like the same person, and it was all on UG gear

 

[Juice Authority]

but whatever this difference is, will it affect my growth that much. I cant see how I could have possibly added any more mass to my frame if I had of gone with HG instead of UG, in the 2.5 years that I have been juicing. I have completely transformed my physique in that time to the point where I dont even look like the same person, and it was all on UG gear

No one here has said that UG products don't work or are underdosed. Oftentimes, lab reports have shown that certain products are overdosed. EQL would be an example of that. They have obviously worked well for you. The whole point of this thread was to bring to light the fact that no one really knows unless they're are directly involved with the lab and have an extensive background in biochem how sterile the environment in which they are made and how pure the compound is once it's shipped. That is equally, if not more important, than the product testing out to contain the advertised mg strength per ml. IMO, testing out to be 500mg's/ml is secondary to how it's processed. BigAndy and several others have covered the importance of those two issues and it is something that should definitely be factored in one’s decision to buy a certain brand.

 

[needsize]

No one here has said that UG products don't work or are underdosed. Oftentimes, lab reports have shown that certain products are overdosed. EQL would be an example of that. They have obviously worked well for you. The whole point of this thread was to bring to light the fact that no one really knows unless they're are directly involved with the lab and have an extensive background in biochem how sterile the environment in which they are made and how pure the compound is once it's shipped. That is equally, if not more important, than the product testing out to contain the advertised mg strength per ml. IMO, testing out to be 500mg's/ml is secondary to how it's processed. BigAndy and several others have covered the importance of those two issues and it is something that should definitely be factored in one’s decision to buy a certain brand.

thats why there are only 2 labs that I buy from, i dont know enough about any of the others to trust them

 

[xsnrg]

Well one good thing for most of us is the fact that UG labs have managed to put enough pressure on the HG guys so that their prices have come down a great deal.I dont know about the rest of you but HG steroids have dropped in price to what they were even 3yrs ago.So even if you dont feel safe to try some UG labs,you can thank them for your cheeper HG gear.

 

[BigAndy69]

Well one good thing for most of us is the fact that UG labs have managed to put enough pressure on the HG guys so that their prices have come down a great deal.I dont know about the rest of you but HG steroids have dropped in price to what they were even 3yrs ago.So even if you dont feel safe to try some UG labs,you can thank them for your cheeper HG gear.

Very true, spectro gave mre to the BBing than they realise.

Back in the day all we had access to for Eq was TT EQ at 200-240 bucks a vial. UG market changed all that. Also, sust seems to be $2-3 cheaper in Canada.

 

[Juice Authority]

^^^

 

[TheRide]

I agree... UG scares me... maybe it's the Urban Legend that "the brew ain't done 'till we piss in it" or possibly the idea that it could be LITERALLY made in someones, dingy, moldy basement... Something about it never has sat well w/me. I've gone w/out at times, rather then something that's sketchy...

 

[Dial_tone]

Very true, spectro gave mre to the BBing than they realise.

Back in the day all we had access to for Eq was TT EQ at 200-240 bucks a vial. UG market changed all that. Also, sust seems to be $2-3 cheaper in Canada.

On the other hand I paid about $70 for a 50ml jug of Finaject in 1986.

 

[Juice Authority]

On the other hand I paid about $70 for a 50ml jug of Finaject in 1986.

You're an old man. Are you still able to get it up?

 

[Dial_tone]

You're an old man. Are you still able to get it up?

At least 2-3 times a month!

 

[BigAndy69]

At least 2-3 times a month!

lol