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Why are people using these steriods?

Anthony Starks

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Why are people still using stuff like Deca & Adrol (I'm tempted to include Clomid on the list too). It seems like there are much better substitutes with much easier to control sides (i.e. test for deca, dbol for adrol, HCG for Clomid). How many posts of impotent guys with gyno from deca does it take?
 
Before people start flaming, let me clarify two things:

1) Yes, I understand there might be special circumstances why you would take one of them, I'm talking general users
2) When I talk about substitutes, I do not mean that I think the drugs do exactly the same things
 
Deca works well for some. Some handle deca better than test. Adrol is very functional. It simply equals strength. Do you see any benifit to lifting heavier? Many tolerate it well. Clomid works differently than HCG - I use them both as components of my PCT. HCG alone can be very counter profductive if used incorrectly. HCG can tell the nuts to kick in - clomid can help tell them to keep going.
 
Anthony Starks said:
Why are people still using stuff like Deca & Adrol (I'm tempted to include Clomid on the list too). It seems like there are much better substitutes with much easier to control sides (i.e. test for deca, dbol for adrol, HCG for Clomid). How many posts of impotent guys with gyno from deca does it take?
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Personally I don't like deca or drol and will never put that shit in my system! The only progestin based roids that I'm willing to try is tren and winny...other than that, I only used estrogen based! (Note...never tried them and never will either regardless of what anyone says!)
 
Each person reacts differently to different roids. Anadrol is one I'd never use b/c its pretty hepatoxic and I feel I can get better results with less sides from dbol. The next guy might not feel the same way or might want the added strength anadrol apparently provides, although I think the two are the same if the dosage is the same. Deca is given a bad rap here b/c the main reason guys post is when they are having a progest. problem and also when they don't have an issue the deca is also stacked so we just say nice gains for the overall cycle with out appreciating the deca individually thus there only seems to be negative feedback. Alot of vets with joint issues don't bulk without it and if you're not sensitive to progest. sides its an excellent choice for a stack both cutting and bulking. Its really just what works for you personally, but I just think this board is gonna be heavy on the downsides of most gear since most guys post when its hit the fan.
 
Anthony Starks said:
Why are people still using stuff like Deca & Adrol (I'm tempted to include Clomid on the list too). It seems like there are much better substitutes with much easier to control sides (i.e. test for deca, dbol for adrol, HCG for Clomid). How many posts of impotent guys with gyno from deca does it take?
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All steroids have viable uses. The problem I see is that too many people do cycles of 10 weeks or more and set themselves up for disaster.

5-6 weeks is more than enough time to break a plateau and recover. BTW, Deca has zero side effects for me... while test is bloat and acne waiting to happen. Anadrol is a great way to begin a cycle, but any more than 4 weeks is asking for trouble. All things in moderation.
 
The_Eviscerator said:
BTW, Deca has zero side effects for me... while test is bloat and acne waiting to happen.
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Therein lies my problem. Test is just too damn hard on my skin - but tren gave me gyno immediately. I'm a bit shy to try deca...
 
Anthony Starks said:
Why are people still using stuff like Deca & Adrol (I'm tempted to include Clomid on the list too). It seems like there are much better substitutes with much easier to control sides (i.e. test for deca, dbol for adrol, HCG for Clomid). How many posts of impotent guys with gyno from deca does it take?
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Anthony,
I have tried just about everything and Deca works the best for me by far. What do you feel you could substitute for deca? You mentioned test, but that must be a joke. I tend to agree with the Anadrol comment, this is one harsh AS, but again to each his own. The individual must decide what works for them.
 
Silent Method said:
Therein lies my problem. Test is just too damn hard on my skin - but tren gave me gyno immediately. I'm a bit shy to try deca...
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EQ or Primo may be a better choice. Deca can cause acne as well, but Primo and EQ seem to be very mild in this regard... Also, there is very little aromatizing with these compounds.
 
bigmk said:
Anthony,
What do you feel you could substitute for deca? You mentioned test, but that must be a joke.
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No joke. Like I said, obviously they are not exact substitues for each other, but for your begining user looking to add mass, I think picking test over deca is a good substitution. Now obviously there are exceptions to any rule, but I think these drugs should be second choices since, IN GENERAL, they have more sides than other steriods out there.
 
:D

I'm on 500 mg of primo right now. I got stupid though, and instead of assessing it on it's own I began the cycle with low dose test and d-bol. I've dropped those several weeks ago - my skin is still recovering.

Despite the fact that my training has been forced to crap due to my schedule (another stupid mistake for this cycle) I think the primo is doing just what it's said to do. I'm getting steady, modist gains. Too bad it's so damn expensive!


Primo semed to give me anxiety last time...


I'm contemplating giving insulin a go.
 
Silent Method said:
Therein lies my problem. Test is just too damn hard on my skin - but tren gave me gyno immediately. I'm a bit shy to try deca...
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I have no issues with 600mg/week of Deca but Tren at 150mg EOD gave me gyno after 3 weeks.
 
Anthony Starks said:
Why are people still using stuff like Deca & Adrol (I'm tempted to include Clomid on the list too). It seems like there are much better substitutes with much easier to control sides (i.e. test for deca, dbol for adrol, HCG for Clomid). How many posts of impotent guys with gyno from deca does it take?
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I wouldn't even know where to begin with a statement like that.
 
Silent Method said:
:D

I'm on 500 mg of primo right now. I got stupid though, and instead of assessing it on it's own I began the cycle with low dose test and d-bol. I've dropped those several weeks ago - my skin is still recovering.

Despite the fact that my training has been forced to crap due to my schedule (another stupid mistake for this cycle) I think the primo is doing just what it's said to do. I'm getting steady, modist gains. Too bad it's so damn expensive!


Primo semed to give me anxiety last time...


I'm contemplating giving insulin a go.
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Silent, I have never tried primo, but I'm contemplating shelling out the cash to go atleast 10-12 weeks at 600mg and see what I can get. This really is only half of what I've dreamed occasionally of trying. I forget which "guru" used to go on about the fact that primo was the best roid for evrything, including bulking, but that it got its rep due to the low dosages that seemed to be dictated by cost rather than any diminishing return on gains or side effects. That bit of fact I agree with, the main limit on primo seems to be financial. I see a far off plan of waiting until I'm advanced to the point of doing 1g. plus of juice (probably a few years atleast honestly) and doing something like 1200mg of primo. for a 10-14 week cycle. I know its kind of crazy, but I make money and its an itch I'll eventually have to scratch. Some guys buy a bass boat you know? I can relate to the inability to stick to flying solo with the primo, who doesn't want to stack, but now that you're on it alone please keep us posted.
 
I happen to like Deca and Anadrol.

What exactly is wrong with Clomid? Whatever it is HCG is not a substitute, maybe Nolvadex, but no way HCG.
 
Anthony Starks said:
Why are people still using stuff like Deca & Adrol (I'm tempted to include Clomid on the list too). It seems like there are much better substitutes with much easier to control sides (i.e. test for deca, dbol for adrol, HCG for Clomid). How many posts of impotent guys with gyno from deca does it take?
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LOL..do some more research
 
Anthony Starks said:
No joke. Like I said, obviously they are not exact substitues for each other, but for your begining user looking to add mass, I think picking test over deca is a good substitution. Now obviously there are exceptions to any rule, but I think these drugs should be second choices since, IN GENERAL, they have more sides than other steriods out there.
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LOL, you might want to do some more research. If you are arguing with this statement, you might be better off making a point instead of using the most overused comment on these boards.
 
Anthony Starks said:
LOL, you might want to do some more research. If you are arguing with this statement, you might be better off making a point instead of using the most overused comment on these boards.
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mypoint is youve prolly never used any gear in your life..which is fine we were all newb's at one time..but to come on here with barely any posts saying why use deca why clomid, you cant expect to be taken seriously by those that actually do know what they are talking about.. :rolleyes:
 
Dude clomid is an excepted standard for PCT used in conjunction with Hcg and Deca is the only thing that helps my joints thru heavy lifting. I don't overuse it is all. also I use drol and d-bol both depending on what I am trying for in my cycle. Read more on this board then throw down and don't go by post count as this is my 3rd. Id and alot of experience and research under my Belt.
 
wnt2bBeast said:
mypoint is youve prolly never used any gear in your life..which is fine we were all newb's at one time..but to come on here with barely any posts saying why use deca why clomid, you cant expect to be taken seriously by those that actually do know what they are talking about.. :rolleyes:
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How did you come to that conclusion? You don't actually think that post count on some online forum has anything to do with real world experience with steriods, do you? I'm not going to sit here defending myself, but I might take you a little more seriously if you actually had an argument to back up your flaming. It is a DISCUSSION board and all.
 
Anthony Starks said:
How did you come to that conclusion? You don't actually think that post count on some online forum has anything to do with real world experience with steriods, do you? I'm not going to sit here defending myself, but I might take you a little more seriously if you actually had an argument to back up your flaming. It is a DISCUSSION board and all.
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I came up with the same conclusion, and it had nothing to do with your post count. If you are an experienced user, and carry a very large amount of mass on your frame, then you would understand how difficult it is to continue to add mass. Which means that the milder drugs are no longer an option, and drugs like deca, anadrol, etc, are much more viable options.
Funny thing is that I am on very large doses of both anadrol and deca right now and experiencing no negative sides
 
needsize said:
I came up with the same conclusion, and it had nothing to do with your post count. If you are an experienced user, and carry a very large amount of mass on your frame, then you would understand how difficult it is to continue to add mass. Which means that the milder drugs are no longer an option, and drugs like deca, anadrol, etc, are much more viable options.
Funny thing is that I am on very large doses of both anadrol and deca right now and experiencing no negative sides
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So your point is that a heavy user would turn to these drugs in an effort to continue to add size. Ok, I can see that, but what about my original point, that for a beginning user there are drugs out there with less sides that they should be using. I never said that deca and Adrol had no use, but in general you are going to have more problems with them. Percentage wise, I still stand by that statement, having used cycles with each separatly in the past.
 
Anthony Starks said:
So your point is that a heavy user would turn to these drugs in an effort to continue to add size. Ok, I can see that, but what about my original point, that for a beginning user there are drugs out there with less sides that they should be using. I never said that deca and Adrol had no use, but in general you are going to have more problems with them. Percentage wise, I still stand by that statement, having used cycles with each separatly in the past.
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for a beginner, as in first cycle, no, there isnt any need to use those drugs. But I used deca on my second cycle and had no problems, and with these drugs it is very individual, I dont get negative sides from either of them
 
wnt2bBeast said:
mypoint is youve prolly never used any gear in your life..which is fine we were all newb's at one time..but to come on here with barely any posts saying why use deca why clomid, you cant expect to be taken seriously by those that actually do know what they are talking about.. :rolleyes:
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I agree 100%. Sounds like he needs to do some research himself.
 
Ok, you guys are right, deca and adrol are amazing drugs, and I should research them more so I can incorperate them into my "first" cycle. Thanks guys, I'm glad we can discuss things on this board without flaming and personal attacks. Funny thing is, I was on these boards a lot a few years ago by a different name, and with the exception of a few guys (radar, genarr, utler), I don't recognize any of you guys, so how "experienced" are you gurus?
 
I've never taken Deca, but an acquaintance of mine has severe arthritis and he pretty much lives by it, for the bloat it gives him I guess. He has a doc that checks him out regularily, and it seems to work for him.

He has told me that without it he would have a hard time getting out of bed in the morning.

So I guess it can play a healthy role for some peeps.
 
The_Eviscerator said:
All steroids have viable uses. The problem I see is that too many people do cycles of 10 weeks or more and set themselves up for disaster.

5-6 weeks is more than enough time to break a plateau and recover. BTW, Deca has zero side effects for me... while test is bloat and acne waiting to happen. Anadrol is a great way to begin a cycle, but any more than 4 weeks is asking for trouble. All things in moderation.
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So you run Deca for 5-6 weeks is what you're sayin?
 
Silent Method said:
:D

I'm on 500 mg of primo right now. I got stupid though, and instead of assessing it on it's own I began the cycle with low dose test and d-bol. I've dropped those several weeks ago - my skin is still recovering.

Despite the fact that my training has been forced to crap due to my schedule (another stupid mistake for this cycle) I think the primo is doing just what it's said to do. I'm getting steady, modist gains. Too bad it's so damn expensive!


Primo semed to give me anxiety last time...


I'm contemplating giving insulin a go.
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What kind of dosages where you using on the test and d-bol? I am doeing a primo/test/d-bol cycle myself next year
 
Silent Method said:
Deca works well for some. Some handle deca better than test. Adrol is very functional. It simply equals strength. Do you see any benifit to lifting heavier? Many tolerate it well. Clomid works differently than HCG - I use them both as components of my PCT. HCG alone can be very counter profductive if used incorrectly. HCG can tell the nuts to kick in - clomid can help tell them to keep going.
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Right on bro. HCG and Clomid all the way! I would not ever, ever do it any other way!!!
 
2BIG4URMOM said:
Tren=Trenbolone(Parabolan)
EQ=Equipoise(Boldenone) :)
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Trenbolone Acetate is the most common and it is not parabolan. Parabolan is Trenbolone Cyclohexylmethylcarbonate (which has been found to be kidney toxic). A better selection would be the Enanthate version which would allow for fewer injects, without the toxicity.

Boldenone also has several esters that can be attached. Undeclynate is the most common (EQ), but there is Propionate and Acetate versions of the compound.

slyder190 said:
So you run Deca for 5-6 weeks is what you're sayin?
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I run most cycles short regardless of the ester. If you run 400-600 of deca for 4-6 weeks, it is still going to be with you for 7-9 weeks anyway. I like to hit cycles fast and hard, get out recover and repeat. I usually follow a 4-5 week on 10-12 week off pattern. Granted, I will never be as big as Ronnie... but I have a perfect lipid profile, low blood pressure and a fair amount of muscle for my frame. This works for me. I weigh 230-235 at 5' 10" and have about 9-10% BF. In the summer I cut to about 220. Although, each year that number climbs 5-10 pounds. 2 years ago, 210 was my cut weight, this year will be 220-225. I have learned to be patient... and my body has thanked me for letting it be healthy. ;)
 
The_Eviscerator said:
Trenbolone Acetate is the most common and it is not parabolan. Parabolan is Trenbolone Cyclohexylmethylcarbonate (which has been found to be kidney toxic). A better selection would be the Enanthate version which would allow for fewer injects, without the toxicity.

Boldenone also has several esters that can be attached. Undeclynate is the most common (EQ), but there is Propionate and Acetate versions of the compound.



I run most cycles short regardless of the ester. If you run 400-600 of deca for 4-6 weeks, it is still going to be with you for 7-9 weeks anyway. I like to hit cycles fast and hard, get out recover and repeat. I usually follow a 4-5 week on 10-12 week off pattern. Granted, I will never be as big as Ronnie... but I have a perfect lipid profile, low blood pressure and a fair amount of muscle for my frame. This works for me. I weigh 230-235 at 5' 10" and have about 9-10% BF. In the summer I cut to about 220. Although, each year that number climbs 5-10 pounds. 2 years ago, 210 was my cut weight, this year will be 220-225. I have learned to be patient... and my body has thanked me for letting it be healthy. ;)
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Post a more reent 4-6 week cycle of yours bro.....just curious.......
 
JKurz1 said:
Post a more reent 4-6 week cycle of yours bro.....just curious.......
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Here is my last cycle... a 6 weeker.

Week 1-5
Primo 700mg/wk
EQ 400mg/wk
Test Cyp 400mg/wk
Tren Enanthate 500/wk.
Week 3-6
Anavar 40 mg ed.

PCT (nolva 10mg ed/ Clomid 50mg ed for 3 weeks)

This was a month and a half ago. I still seem to be gaining strength and size. I don't think this method is for everyone, but it really works for me.
 
i dont think deca or clomid are harsh drugs...for some, clomid has bad sides but for most there isnt.....there is nothing harsh about deca....some people get limp but some get limp off eq and thats considered to be one of the mildest and safest steroids out there....

anadrol is another storey...no newbie should use drol...
 
JKurz1 said:
WHAT are the HARSH SIDES of CLOMID??? Please........
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Also, quoting liftsiron:

"Another reason why I promote the use of Nolvadex over Clomid post-cycle (as if being 3-4 times stronger and having more of a direct effect on restoring natural test wasn't enough) is because it's a lot safer. Not just because it improves lipid profiles, but also because it simply doesn't have the intrinsic side-effects that Clomid has. Clomid causes more acne for sure, but that's mainly because you need to use a 3-4 times higher dose. But Clomid seems to also affect the eyesight. Long-term clomid therapy causes irreversible changes in eyesight3 in users. Irreversible. For me that alone is reason enough to prefer Nolvadex."
 
Anthony Starks said:
Why are people still using stuff like Deca & Adrol (I'm tempted to include Clomid on the list too). It seems like there are much better substitutes with much easier to control sides (i.e. test for deca, dbol for adrol, HCG for Clomid). How many posts of impotent guys with gyno from deca does it take?
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As some others have said already, different people respond differently to specific AAS.

That being said, there's no sure fire "subsitute" that will work better in all cases for all people.

Some people don't respond to Winstrol, but I grow like crazy on that shit.

Some people like Deca, but it didn't do that much for me and I had residual DecaDick for weeks afterward.

Some people complain that Halotestin gives them headaches and makes them too irritable, but I've never had problems with it, just strength gains off the fucking chain, nugga....

In terms of AAS, you have to allow for biochemistry and the intangibles that vary from person to person, no blanket statments like "Test is better than Deca" or "D-bol instead of Anadrol".





DIV

:chomp:
 
androjunkie said:
And I LOVE your wife's ass. If I had deca dick that pic might be able to cure it. :)
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Thanks for the K and the compliments on the rear ;)
It deffinately helps me out............ :p

I've posted about 10 pics of her in the womans pictures section.
 
DIVISION said:
In terms of AAS, you have to allow for biochemistry and the intangibles that vary from person to person, no blanket statments like "Test is better than Deca" or "D-bol instead of Anadrol".
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You can make a blanket statement that deca is more likely to give you problems than test, and adrol than d-bol, so you should start out with the safer one. Again, obviously there are exceptions, and you may have gained great with either of them, but that doesn't make them safer or a better choice for a beginner picking a cycle. I can make the blanket statement that cars are safer than motorcycles, just because you have driven a bike for 10 years and not gotten hurt does not prove me wrong.
 
wetback said:
Thanks for the K and the compliments on the rear ;)
It deffinately helps me out............ :p

I've posted about 10 pics of her in the womans pictures section.
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I've looked and cant find any of these pics.....
 
Silent Method said:
Deca works well for some. Some handle deca better than test. Adrol is very functional. It simply equals strength. Do you see any benifit to lifting heavier? Many tolerate it well. Clomid works differently than HCG - I use them both as components of my PCT. HCG alone can be very counter profductive if used incorrectly. HCG can tell the nuts to kick in - clomid can help tell them to keep going.
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my feelings exactly. i LLLOOOOOVVVVVVEEEEE deca
 
Anthony Starks said:
Because it can have some serious sides and can be easily substituted for Nolvadex. Why would you tpre CLOMID in all capital letters?
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I don't see how nolva can be subsituted for clomid or vise versa.

Yes they both are anti-e's to fight gyno and nolva is stronger, but clomid will bring back test levels.
 
2BIG4URMOM said:
I don't see how nolva can be subsituted for clomid.

Yes they both are anti-e's to fight gyno and nolva is stronger, but clomid will bring back test levels.
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Actually they will both bring back test levels. Sorry.
 
Anthony Starks said:
You can just use the Nolva, along with HCG of course.
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To be honest I'm afraid to use hcg, I've heard of more peeps getting an hcg induced gyno than anything else.

I'm sure the doses where to high, but I am comfortable with clomid, plus it also means fewer sticks, not that that should be an issue when it comes to pct.
 
Anthony Starks said:
Even if you don't use HCG, you can still just use Nolva instead of Clomid.
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I'm just curious bro, what doses would you recommend for pct using nolva to bring back test levels?

I'm sure nolva isn't as strong as clomid to bring back test levels, the same as clomid isn't as strong as nolva to fight against gyno.
 
Anthony Starks said:
20 mg ed for 5-6 weeks. This is not from me, but from Jenetic, who in my opinion knows the most about PCT on the boards.
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I agree Jenetic is the shiznit, but I know my body and that doesn't satisfy me.

For the simple fact that I feel that I need to bring my test levels back as soon as possible, and at that dosage it will take me to long and I know I will see the downside.

I would rather use the hcg or clomid and bring back my levels much quicker, and so far that is why I have decided to use both clomid and nolva.

My Nolva dosages have been much higher and I know that it still would not justify my needs for bringing back my Test. I usually take 40mg at wk1, 30mg@wk2, 20mg@wks3-5.
 
More mg of Nolva (or Clomid) does not mean that your levels will return any faster. HCG will, but you already said you didn't want to use that.
 
Not to be rude, but you really need to go back to the drawing board if you wonder why ppl are still using deca and clomid. I'll give you the point on drol, as that one is a mystery to me as well.
 
jubei said:
Not to be rude, but you really need to go back to the drawing board if you wonder why ppl are still using deca and clomid. I'll give you the point on drol, as that one is a mystery to me as well.
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Have you read all of the posts that explain it? Not to be rude, but it sounds like you haven't.
 
Is this a joke??
 
Anthony Starks said:
You can make a blanket statement that deca is more likely to give you problems than test, and adrol than d-bol, so you should start out with the safer one. Again, obviously there are exceptions, and you may have gained great with either of them, but that doesn't make them safer or a better choice for a beginner picking a cycle. I can make the blanket statement that cars are safer than motorcycles, just because you have driven a bike for 10 years and not gotten hurt does not prove me wrong.
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So what is it you're asking?

All you've done is argue with everyone here who has offered up an opinion.

What do you want?





DIV

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