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Why am I not losing?

here2help

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Hey guys. This doesn't really have to do with body building, more of general dieting. I'm trying to get back in shape again and have been tracking my food/exercise for the past 2 weeks.

Current stats: 5'9", 263.4lbs as of this morning, 35.8% BF

I've been tracking my food intake on fitday.com and the site says that in order to maintain my current body weight, it would take over 3,500 Cal/day. I don't have anywhere near that. For the past 2 weeks, I have not gone over 2,000 Cal or under 1,600 Cal. I have walked for a hour everyday while at work, biked 2 days a week for 30 mins covering 5 miles, and have done small weightlifting conditioning exercises.

I started at 262lbs 2 weeks ago, went down to 258 and now this morning it's up to 263 and I'm getting really discouraged. Shouldn't I be losing a pound about every 3 days just from the restriction in calories alone?
 
Agree with above it must be what your calories are made up of and as mentioned 1600 is low....
 
Hmmm, well looking back at my diet this week, I've been around 20% Cal from Fat and Prot and 60% carb. Should I add some protein shakes into my diet to bump Calories over 2,000 eventhough I don't weight train that heavy? I currently have a problem with one of my wrists which hurts if I grip something too hard.
 
It isn't easy, and it isn't quick.. but out of nowhere the weight will come off if you keep working hard, and work even harder as you get more endurance.

I was doing 2 sessions, 45/45 or 90 full hard minutes of cardio, 5 days a week
in order to see a large fat loss over several months.. Plus another hours or strength training, plus swimming and biking intermittently at home..
Plus just moderately watching my diet relating to simple carbs and fats, with little to no sugars and tons of water and some whey supplementation.
 
Should I not be too concerned about these first 2 weeks then? Maybe my body is adjusting to the new diet/exercise and will start shedding the fat?
 
Here's 2 days ago. I honestly felt full all day long eating all of this.

Totals
1832 Calories
39g Fat
305g Carb
79g Protien

8:00 AM - Peanut butter and jelly sandwich (Whole grain bread)
8:00 AM - Soda, Mt Dew (I've been trying to substitute Green Tea here, but can't seem to give this up yet)
10:00 AM - Fruit Cup (peaches in water, no sugar)
11:30 AM - Chicken Breast (1 breast, 6oz)
11:30 AM - Mixed vegetables (corn, peas, green beans, and carrots), cooked, from frozen, fat not added in cooking
2:00 PM - Snacks, pretzels, hard, plain, made with unenriched flour, salt (2 servings)
5:30 PM - Salty snacks, corn or cornmeal base, tortilla chips (2 servings)
5:30 PM - Salsa (1/2 cup)
7:00 PM - Split pea soup


On a side note, I need to have some kind of salty snack in my diet, not only because I will go insane if I don't, but I'm on a medication that lowers my blood-sodium levels and need to have some salts in my diet.
 
a) At 263 lbs and over 30% body fat, over time you'll be able to simply monitor your foods and walk like you've been doing and the weight will slowly come off. Your 263-lb weigh in could have something to do with either holding water, or through small muscle gain.

b) I prefer a lower carb diet. You could start by doing something like this:
Meal 1: Low Carb
Meal 2: Moderate
Meal 3: Low Carb
Meal 4: Moderate
Meal 5: Low Carb

People will criticize your snacks, soda, and fruit cup but to be honest, if you're not in a huge rush to start dropping massive weight, then you can make more modest gains while not torturing yourself.

Keep your calories between 2,000-2,500. Don't get discouraged. Patience and dedication will get you where you want to be.
 
I would increase the protein intake and decrease the carbs and I believe you will see a big difference - also get rid of the soda and pretzels - way too much sugar...
 
Thanks guys. What would be a good substitute for snacks? The last attempt I made to lose I would blend a protein shake with strawberries and oats twice a day. One restriction on my diet is that it also needs to be free of diary products because I'm lactose intolerant.

I'm only 25 and having as many medical issues as I do scares me. There's no telling what I will develop next if I don't get this weight off of me and get healthy. :worried:
 
okay your making some progress but your diet needs a complete OVER HAUL your not eating any food at all!!

gimme a few and i will repost
 
use this to determine your calories.. also 1.375 is the norm activity factor multiplier

Total calories for day To calculate your BMR based on your total body weight (Harris-Benedict Formula)

BMR= basal metabolic rate

BMR (women) = 665 + (9.6 x weight in Kg) + (1.8 x height in cm) - (4.7 x age in years)

BMR (men) = 66 + (13.7 x weight in Kg) + (5 x height in cm) - (6.8 x age in years)

To calculate your BMR based on lean body weight (Katch-McArdle Formula)

BMR (both sexes) = 370 + (21.6 x lean mass in kg)

THis will give you what your body requires for all of your basic biological processes, such as digestion, nerve transmission, respiration etc, or your basal metabolic rate.

NEVER DROP YOUR CALORIES BELOW THIS LEVEL!!!!!

To figure out how many calories you need for the day multiply your BMR by your activity levels
Sedentary BMR x 1.2 no exercise/desk job
Lightly active BMR x 1.375 light exercise/sports 1-3 days/week
Moderately active BMR x 1.55 moderate exercise/sports 3-5 days/week
Very active BMR x 1.725 hard exercise/sports 6-7 days/week
Extremely active BMR x 1.9 hard daily training/physical job or training 2x/day

To lose weight, obviously, you do need to burn more calories than you need!!
So, take about 10-20 % off of your total calorie requirements
 
The Cutting Primer
By rambo @anabolicreview.com

It?s about time we had a decent full length post on cutting?

Let?s get a few things straight?
1. All of the insights I?m about to provide are not person-specific. What that means is that it is a general guideline, not a bible.
2. I truly do believe that bodybuilding is 80% diet. You can lift your ass off daily, and still look horrible if you aren?t eating right.
3. You are what you eat. It?s just that simple.

The BASICS-
1.Postworkout Nutrition- I?m a firm believer that PWO nutrition is hands down the most important aspect of dieting. It is within the 15 minutes after a workout that your body is in dire need of nutrients. It is a completely anabolic state, and what you take in can be optimized to ensure maximum results. A general rule of thumb is 40-60 grams whey protein, and double the amount of whey in carbohydrates (50% dextrose/50% maltodextrin).

2. Carbs- You are **** right, carbs. In a strict cutting diet the majority of your carbs should come in the form of PWO nutrition, and the remainder in breakfast. Fibrous veggies are a staple, but keep in mind that they don?t count towards intake, as they have negligible impacts on blood sugar levels. (Exceptions: Carrots, Peas) All high glycemic carbs outside of PWO should be avoided. The best sources of low GI carbs can be found in oatmeal and brown rice, as well as yams.

3. Protein- You need tons. 1.5-2.0 grams per pound of lean bodyweight is a good general rule of thumb. You should take in a good portion of your protein in the source of real meals, avoid intaking too many shakes, as real food comes to a better benefit. The list foods with high protein bioavailability is extensive, and I will only cover a few, (Egg whites, Lean steak, Chicken breast, the list goes on forever?.).

4. Fats- Guess what? You need fat to lose fat. We are talking about the granddaddy of fats, the EFA (Essential Fatty Acid). Good sources of fat are ( Flax Oil, Nuts, Salmon, Olive Oil).

5. The separation of Carbs and Fats- This is a hotly debated issue, but again, in my opinion, an important aspect nonetheless. Remember that it is often when you eat items and with what you eat them that is more important than what you are eating. A mouthful, I know, but stay with me. Remember that when you take in certain carbs, you can spike your insulin levels. If you are taking in fats when your insulin has been spiked, you are allowing the basic laws of physiology to act out, and you allow for a higher propensity for fat storage. Separation is key. The sample diet will give a good example of how to separate them.




6. Supplements-

Glutamine: Helps prevent catabolism when cutting. Best used in dosages of 10grams daily, 5 grams before cardio, 5 grams at another interval, but not after workout as it fights for absorption with the glutamine peptides in whey.
ALA/R-ALA- Gets my supplement of the day award. R-ALA is effective in lowering the spike of insulin when certain carbs are consumed. I could give you a dissertation on the stereoentisomeric properties of the R, but all you need to know is that it has been found to shuttle carbohydrates away from adipose and into myocytes. Translation: Away from fat cells, into muscle cells. It?s a supplement, however, not a miracle worker. It?s not a crutch, and won?t do anything about fat intake. ALA and R-ALA can also aid in the expedition of the ketogenic state. Remember that if you buy R-ALA that you supplement it with Biotin. Glucorell-R is prepackaged with it. If you can afford it, go for it. As far as dosage, with the R, you are looking at 1-2 pills of Glucorell R for each 30-40grams of carb intake.
Protein and Carb Shakes: I?m not going to cover protein, because even if you can?t afford it, you should sell a kidney to get some. Carb drinks are rather convenient, and companies offer pre mixed dosages, (CarboHit, Glycoload, UltraFuel). Dextrose and Maltodextrin can be bought from most supplement stores or online.



7. Cheating- Cheating is essential. Why? Remember, the body runs on homeostasis, it likes to keep balance. After eating so well after a week, your body begins to adjust, and fat loss over time will not be as rapid. The other extremely important aspect is mental sanity. So many diets crash and fail because people don?t give themselves a chance to breath. Remember, cheating is not an opportunity for you to pillage the entire mall food court. Shoot for a cheat meal, not an all out binge. A fast food value meal can be 2,000 calories. Eat that 3 times on one day, and you?ve consumed 6,000 calories. And that?s not good in any case.

8. Cardio- Cardio and cutting usually go hand in hand. I won't go into specifics about length, other than cardio shouldn't be excessive. 45 minutes to one hour daily should be sufficient, and should be performed on an empty stomach.




Sample Diet:
Note: This is a sample diet for a 200 pound gentleman who is wishing to cut. We can assume his BF to be around 15%. This diet will NOT work for you if those criteria don?t apply to you; however it is easy to customize the below diet to take in account your own statistics. It is the principles that are applicable.. I am not going to post the total amount of calories, only the carb, protein and fat macros for the whole day.


Meal 1:
Lean Protein, 1/2 cup oatmeal

Meal 2:
Protein shake/Lean Protein (2 tbsp flax

Meal 3:
Veggies, Lean Protein

Workout

Meal 4:
PWO Nutrition

Meal 5:
Veggies, Lean Protein, 1/2 cup rice or oatmeal.

Meal 6:
Shake with Flax

That turns into approximately 300 grams protein, 130 grams Carbs, and 50 grams of fat.

*Reminder: This is a PRIMER. It?s not mean to be comprehensive.





Here comes the fun part: Question and Answer?.

Q: What about dairy?
A: If you don?t mind a soft look, fat free cottage cheese is an excellent caseinate source, but as for milks- way too much processed sugar. NO.

Q: Should I do a keto diet?
A: Unless you are morbidly obese, or would like to drag your wilted muscles behind you, stay away from keto. Again, that?s my opinion. You can see my previous posts for my anti-keto ranting.

Q: What about cycling carb intake?
A: Obviously on non workout days you will be without a shake, so you will be auto-cycling. It works well that way.

Q: Is sodium an issue?
A: Outside of the bloating issue, or if you have high cholesterol, no.

Q. How do I make my meals not taste like cardboard?
A. Be creative. Mix in some sugar free jam or splenda in your oats, some hot sauce or soy sauce on your meats, or pick up some sugar free ketchup.

Q. I don?t like old fashioned oats. Can I eat the pre mixed oats with fruit?
A. No. Be a man. Those mixes have ridiculous amounts of sugar.

Q. What about fruit?
A: Fruit replenishes glycogen stores in the liver, and in my opinion, is not to be a staple of a strict cutting diet, with a few exceptions.

Q: Can I eat steak while cutting?
A: Definitely. Make sure it?s a leaner cut.

And with this post I take a sabbatical. I?d like to thank ~Swolecat~ for his influence, and to thank all of you who may have indirectly annoyed me enough to result in this elongated post. If I missed anything, or am horribly wrong on anything, feel free to PM me, and I will edit it in. Best of luck, and remember?

?Obsessed is a the word that lazy people use for dedicated.?


Happy Holidays,

Rambo

* This was edited to reflect a few changes, and change the title to UN official, as was my original intent
 
First, THANKS for taking the time and interest in helping me, that goes for all of you! Second, I inserted my results below in BOLD

BMR (men) = 66 + (13.7 x weight in Kg) + (5 x height in cm) - (6.8 x age in years)
= 2401 with this method

To calculate your BMR based on lean body weight (Katch-McArdle Formula)
BMR (both sexes) = 370 + (21.6 x lean mass in kg)
= 2024 with this method (35.8 % BF = 169lbs of LBM)

NEVER DROP YOUR CALORIES BELOW THIS LEVEL!!!!!
Seriously? I know there are much smarter people out there than me who have lived this and had great results, but if I'm already having less than 2,000 Cal/day and I'm not losing I don't think raising it this high would help me.

To figure out how many calories you need for the day multiply your BMR by your activity levels
Lightly active BMR x 1.375 light exercise/sports 1-3 days/week
Ok, so 2,200 (average between my 2 results above) x 1.375 = 3,025
Yikes! That seems really high.


To lose weight, obviously, you do need to burn more calories than you need!!
So, take about 10-20 % off of your total calorie requirements
3025 x 80% = 2,420
So I shouldn't go below this number then? That still sounds high.
 
here2help said:
First, THANKS for taking the time and interest in helping me, that goes for all of you! Second, I inserted my results below in BOLD


= 2401 with this method


= 2024 with this method (35.8 % BF = 169lbs of LBM)


Seriously? I know there are much smarter people out there than me who have lived this and had great results, but if I'm already having less than 2,000 Cal/day and I'm not losing I don't think raising it this high would help me.


Ok, so 2,200 (average between my 2 results above) x 1.375 = 3,025
Yikes! That seems really high.



3025 x 80% = 2,420
So I shouldn't go below this number then? That still sounds high.

you can go below 2400 i think it would be smart too!

also go to www.fitday.com to track your food

also you need to remove all those 'snacks' if you want snacks use vegetables, sugar free sodas and crystal lite... ..
 
So I should try to shoot for the 2000-2400 range?

What kind of oatmeal do you guys buy? I don't think I've had oatmeal since I was like 10, lol
 
I read through that guy's post this morning also, but unfortunately a lot of the helpful links are broken.

I'm having a little trouble thinking of what a typical diet should be for a given day then. I need stuff that is fast to make. Current high-protein foods I have is chicken breast which I normally have with mixed veggies and also have canned tuna (in water) that I normally roll up between 2 tortillas (doesn't taste that great, but I don't know a healthy alternative for it).

Also, I'm afraid that whey might make me sick since it contains the same proteins as milk. Is there any other alternative protein that I could use in shakes/PWO meals?
 
here2help said:
I read through that guy's post this morning also, but unfortunately a lot of the helpful links are broken.

I'm having a little trouble thinking of what a typical diet should be for a given day then. I need stuff that is fast to make. Current high-protein foods I have is chicken breast which I normally have with mixed veggies and also have canned tuna (in water) that I normally roll up between 2 tortillas (doesn't taste that great, but I don't know a healthy alternative for it).

Also, I'm afraid that whey might make me sick since it contains the same proteins as milk. Is there any other alternative protein that I could use in shakes/PWO meals?


Make your Meals on Sunday store them in tupper ware and you will be fine till next sunday...

www.fitday.com to determing how many carbs/fat/protein your getting
Lean Meat
Turkey Breast
tuna
buffalo
steak
extra lean ground beef
chicken breast
egg whites
Protein powder ( you may need a more expensive powder that doesnt have the milk protein)

Carbs
Oats
Brown Rice
Yams
Potatoes
Grits/Cream of wheat
 
Really good read Faizakafex, good post bro k to u.

I was in a similar situation 12 months ago i was 217lb with a very high BF%, i got down to 168lb in about 4 months since then i have bulked and started a cut again (still cutting around 178 now) and now aiming for new goals. Read this place, its like a bible suck up all the infomation you can and anything you cannot find ASK! there are many good people on these boards who will help you meet your goals. Keep consistant and dont give up. Good luck....

Crossy
 
^ lots of good stuff. Thanks for keeping an open mind with this bro..
Everyone seems to be keeping this positive.. yea us..

Try salted nuts as a snack if you must..
Just a few Almonds are very filling and the fats are of a better type vs fried crap.

Oatmeal is another awesome filling mid meal snack. Lasts for hours, clean you out.
Just don't use that sweetened pkgs instant stuff. Plain with some salt and honey or small bit of sugar if you must. I eat mine without any sugar. you get used to it.

Ditch the soda 100%.. Water, or if you must diet soda only.
Mtn Dew, Need caffeine ? Take pills

PB is fine, Jelly is just Sugar, as is the fruit cup. Bananas or fresh fruit is better.
Read labels, Think of eating things that will add value only.

The mixed frozen Veg are OK but corn carrots peas are mostly carbs even though there is some fiber in there.. I love eating good leafy green salads for my veggie with a small bit of fat free low carb dressing..
 
BIGBUCK$ said:
peanut butter and jelly with a mountain dew for breakfest?????? that doesnt look like dieting to me

I guess I've learned from this post that I need to change the types of foods as well and not just look at the overall calories.
 
My review of your diet

8:00 AM - Peanut butter and jelly sandwich (Whole grain bread)
8:00 AM - Soda, Mt Dew (I've been trying to substitute Green Tea here, but can't seem to give this up yet)

A crap breakfast - jelly is sugar as is mountain dew. Also fat (from peanut butter) is a no-no with refined sugar (I don't think it is so bad with non-refined sugar and respectively disagree with Faizakafez. If this was true, oatmeal would be bad as it contains 10% fat).

Consider oatmeal/bran with whey powder, and a diet mountain dew for breakfast.


10:00 AM - Fruit Cup (peaches in water, no sugar)

You should not eat carbs without protein. Simply skip this meal.

11:30 AM - Chicken Breast (1 breast, 6oz)
11:30 AM - Mixed vegetables (corn, peas, green beans, and carrots), cooked, from frozen, fat not added in cooking


This meal is fine


2:00 PM - Snacks, pretzels, hard, plain, made with unenriched flour, salt (2 servings)

Atrocious - where is the protein? Protein should be consumed about every 3 hours - something closer to previous meal is better. Same for all following meals.

5:30 PM - Salty snacks, corn or cornmeal base, tortilla chips (2 servings)
5:30 PM - Salsa (1/2 cup)
7:00 PM - Split pea soup

Suggestions:

30 grams + protein 6 times a day;
Get most of your fat from fish oil supplmenets, flaxseed oil, oatmeal (which contains omega 6), and salmon. Even peanut butter is strictly empty calories.
As for your carbs, include them for breakfast, PWO, and gradually reduce them during the day. I think you can include carrots (they are 25 calories per 100 gram) so a couple won't help, plus there GI has been revised to low anyway. Personally, I think I diet can include small amounts of good tasting veges (carrots, red caspicum, pumpkin) which low calories to drown out the taste of the healthiest ones (brocolli, spinach etc)
 
I will give you a basic of what i used as we are diffrent weight etc this will be just a rough guide. People will probably say i relied on Whey to much but hey with my schedule it was good for me and it worked well.

Daily water intake: 1-2 Gallon

Breakfast:

Porridge (with small amount of splenda) Skimmed/Semi Skimmed Milk
Whey Shake

Snack:

Tin of tuna or Whey

Lunch:

Chicken Sandwhich with salad on Wholemeal Bread & Peice of Fruit, Diet Pepsi (occasionaly)

Snack:

Tin Of Tuna or Whey Shake or handfull of natural peanuts (not the bagged salted type)
or some beef jerky.

Dinner:

Jacket/sweet potatoe (mainly jacket for me dont really like sweet potatoes) with one of the following, Chicken/Tuna/Steak/Fish with some veg, broccoli, spinach.

Snack (before bed)

2 Eggs scrambled or Protein Shake (cassein based before bed if poss) (sometimes will have a tablespoon of All natural Peanut butter if i have the shake)

With my supps: ( i will just put the ones that will change you macros)

Flax oil
Cod Liver Oil

On training days i will add Glucose to my PWO Shake.

Now roughly that was coming to around 2100-2400 cals a day with a ratio
of around 40/30/30 this will obviously alter day to day with what meat etc you have but not to dramatically.

I should add im now on my second cut and i have changed it around somewhat not to much but on training days i tend to eat more carbs with my main meal of the day (dinner) i.e Whomeal rice/pasta with chicken before i train just for the energy boost really.

My training looks like this:

Weights - Mon - Wed - Fri

Cardio - Tue - Thurs (I vary this with HIIT or just standard jogging)

As i said before its not easy you have to work at it and be commited, dont let yourself slip into "I will only have 1 cookie it wont hurt" mode. Save yourself for 1 night a week where you treat yourself. For me its Sat night i have a few beers or glasses wine and whatever meal i want (pizza, chinese) or whatever and thats it until the following week.

Crossy
 
Thanks again for all the replies and those sample meal schedules will help me a ton!


crossy said:
Snack:

Tin of tuna or WheyCrossy


Do you just eat the tuna plain out of the can? Or am I missing something?
 
I cut on 2300 when I weighed under 180, you should be consuming more calories because you are a bigger guy - don't starve your body or you will get nowhere.

Now that you start exercising and eating healthy all at the same time, your body is actually burning a lot of calories - so give it enough to keep your fat burning off smoothly
 
I think you should add weights to your routine. You would be suprised how much this would improve your metabolism. Maybe 3 days weights and 3 cardio, you will not only loose fat but improve your physique. This is a bodybuilding forum isn't it?
 
here2help said:
Thanks guys. What would be a good substitute for snacks? The last attempt I made to lose I would blend a protein shake with strawberries and oats twice a day. One restriction on my diet is that it also needs to be free of diary products because I'm lactose intolerant.

I'm only 25 and having as many medical issues as I do scares me. There's no telling what I will develop next if I don't get this weight off of me and get healthy. :worried:
Have you tried Lactaid products? I'm also lactose-intolerant but I find Lactaid (both the pills and the milk) eliminate the problems I'd been having quite effectively. It's more of an expense, but if you can use it to start eating/drinking dairy again, your protein intake would be definitely be helped.

I say this in part because it appears that you need more clean protein in your diet. Minimize the salt and sugar and "snack" intake as much as possible (I'm keeping your medical condition in mind). There are still lots of options that you may enjoy (depending on how much you like these foods):
-chicken (skinned)
-beef / steak (trimmed)
-fish / seafood
-nuts (a moderate amount)
-dairy
-low/no carb protein shake/bar
-egg whites
-tofu (if you like it)
-others

Also, limit your carbs to things like green veggies (spinach, broccoli, etc.) and minimal starchy food. Try not to take in carbs in the evening (say after 4-6pm) (i.e., within a few hours of bedtime, when they won't be used as quickly).
 
Hello, you should try appetite-suppressants like phentermine, another thing is that i think that 3500 is too much, i would get real fat with that. I have a slow metabolic rate so i only eat 2 times a day and 1 snack.

Try zig-zaging your diet. Try to increase your calories 3 days and decrease them 2 days. Try a 5 day cycle or 4 day cycle, like 3 days low, and 2 days higher. and so on, or you can try 1 day high, and 1 day low

wake_up

here2help said:
Hey guys. This doesn't really have to do with body building, more of general dieting. I'm trying to get back in shape again and have been tracking my food/exercise for the past 2 weeks.

Current stats: 5'9", 263.4lbs as of this morning, 35.8% BF

I've been tracking my food intake on fitday.com and the site says that in order to maintain my current body weight, it would take over 3,500 Cal/day. I don't have anywhere near that. For the past 2 weeks, I have not gone over 2,000 Cal or under 1,600 Cal. I have walked for a hour everyday while at work, biked 2 days a week for 30 mins covering 5 miles, and have done small weightlifting conditioning exercises.

I started at 262lbs 2 weeks ago, went down to 258 and now this morning it's up to 263 and I'm getting really discouraged. Shouldn't I be losing a pound about every 3 days just from the restriction in calories alone?
 
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