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I'm here! Everyone is safe now...
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Yeah, really, Yasy. Show us some pixRADAR said:Good morning Doll!
I don't suppose we'll get to see anymore pics of you soon?
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She is absolutely gorgeous. I saw.jaded said:Yasmina, you're gorgeous...you should post pics.
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Hope you had fun.Seashell said:Just got in from a night out dancing..
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Thank youSeashell said:Hey, nice av!
Now that's cool...Seashell said:Yep, it was fun, my face hurts from smiling so much.
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Not like you are.Yasmina said:Wow, thank you Ulcaster. So are you!!
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No way...Yasmina said:noo, actually much better...
you are in the stratosphere of "hot".....tsssssssssss ouch - got burnt!!!
That pic with you in the yellow shirt. You're hair down, warm smile...make a man's heart flutter.
You got me 10 fold. Don't fucking fool yourself. I'm just some simple redneck that's built like a forklift.You're a jewel.
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i just woke up
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Brothabill is here to prophesize, started coming here again since last march. Im still a little groggy from my elecroshock therapy yesterday, still buzzing!
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Lestat said:
Thanks, good to be back Lestat, still weird as ever so Im looking for some fun conversations, I decided to come back cuz I plumped up a bit after summer, not much but I was slacking, my goall this year is to run the Portland marathon in sept so this keeps me crazy mind on fitness, hey I posted this last night on the diet board for aggresive weight loss, its a hypothesis on the fastest way to lose weight, wonder what ya think, not enough members over there for any feedback. Started it today, not too bad so far, 1000cals 90% fat, 10% protein.
The fastest data for fat loss Ive seen is referred to in the Atkins book called the fat fast. In a nutshell two groups of individuals at a naval hospital where one ate nothing and lost 21lbs, if I remember correctly about only 7 lbs was fat the rest was lbm. THe second group consumed 90%fat 10% protein they lost 15lbs by hydro testing and 14.5lbs were fat with s slight loss of lbm at 0.5 lbs. I have done this with great results although I didnt weigh myself, the weight loss was dramatic.
Ive postulated a theory and thought and researched metabolism and how this seeming counterintuitive result could occur as I stated in an earlier thread. My hypothesis is this:
A medical fact is that insulin is the storage hormone and glucagon is the releasing hormone, they work in opposing regulation. Insulin overrides glucagon and makes it hard to release fat from cells when present so the key is to raise glucagon levels while keeping insulin to a minimum. This allows for ketosis where fat is broken down into ketone bodies and used for fuel. THat is one form of energy production and one route for the body to make energy. THe debate rages whether carbs are a better source energy source or are ketones and its route. Some studies suggest that they (ketone bodies) are in fact preferred by the brain than glucose as studied in epilepsy research. For sake of this theory I shall use this to explain my hypothesis. I think that if one was to seriously research the literature they would come to the same conclusion. SO in a nutshell, fat and later its derivatives ARE the preferred energy source for the human body. This seems counterintuitive as this whole hypothesis and fasting data suggest but Ive researched the hell out of metabolism and its pathways. I have a degree in cardiovascular techonology and work for the largest cardiology group in Seattle. I have a patient scheduled one per hour with most tests, mainly echocardiograms take me on average 20 minutes I have alot of internet surfing to do so I have a requisite knowledge and understanding on how to read medical literature and research and how to interpret it. So back to my hypothesis; we shall state as one point of my thesis(I know theres plenty of room for debate) that fat is the preferred energy route. I know counterintuitive as it sounds, but think simply: if evolutionarily speaking we would evolve the most efficient route for energy storage for the inevitable caveman famines, we dont store it as carbs. We store only a few thousand calories of glucose in our muscles, presumably for fight for flight response. That is quick energy needed to outrun a sabretooth tiger attack, but shortlived energy with cardiovascular results. I believe that is where the great myth of carbs being the preferred energy source. If it fuels us in quick burst, it must be the best fuel. But that doesnt mean its the preferred energy source as most draw as a conclusion. Again I point to the fact that we dont store glucose for energy purposes in caloric deprivation situation faced by cavemen. In times of lack of food sources fat is used as an energy, it packs more energy per gram and we have adapted a mechanism that is quite natural and evoltionary in nature. So that is a simple argument for the fat being better than carbs for energy although it is quite a complex theory, but I wont get too deep, nor cite for sake of brevity. The fight or flight response legacy of evolution has now in modern human lifestyles is a leftover and not as necessary and has damaging effects to the cardiovascular system when we are in state of stress. THat is the theory behind why a stressed out person is at a higher risk for heart attack which is a quite lengthy explanation I dont want to get too deep in. But in short insulin is very damaging to the endothelial cells lining causing fatty streaks moving on to calcification and in diabetics peripheral arterial disease where they amputate body parts in late stage. Diabetic angiograms, which is where we shoot a dye into the coronary arteries(heart arteries) and then fluoroscoped (xrayed) and there is a significant greater chance of damaged arteries, it looks like someone sprayed crap in a tube and it scatters along the walls. Im getting way off track, but if those plaques rupture a clot will form just like when you get a scrape, your body doesnt know the difference they just sense the release of rupture and send clotting factors blocking blood flow. Instant heart attack, the heart muscle downstream from the newly formed clot doesnt get blood and just as important waste products are not carried away resulting in muscle necrosis or myocardial infarction or simply known as a heart attack (this differs from electrical heart attacks, but that commonly occurs as a resulted of muscle irritation whre electricity flow of the heart is altered causing energy loops and a fatal arrythmia). So there is ample medical facts about the negative effects of insulin. And what causes insulin release, carbs and sugars. Hardly an argument for carbs being the best energy source since it encourages heart disease. Now of course many will never have a heart attack some would say, but in Vietnam autopsies of young men killed revealed that even at early age it was seen that fatty growths had already formed. Many experts say that this is response to refined foods such as pasta, bread anything that breaks down the cell walls of plants making the carbs easier to be digest being introduced into the modern human diet. This is indexed by whats called the glycemic number, the higher the number the faster its absorbed, the faster the blood sugar rises, the faster insulin is released and to a greater amount with obvious negative cardiovascular effects. Insulin is doubly dubious as it also stimulates hunger even after eating. Just think about how easy it is to overeat pasta and then raid the fridge for more. Again evolutionary relic, but think about, when a caveman finds a bunch of fruit in season he must eat as much as possible before it rots. SO insulin stimulates more eating and some have postulated that alcoholism may be traced to fermented fruit as it rots, logical but debatable as most things are. So as logic dictates excess insulin is bad, it follows that a high carb diet is bad especially processed carbs (breads and pasta) and is not necessary if your muscle is tanked already with the few thousand calories of glucose needed for the fight or flight response. Again many would argue that exercise depletes the glucose and that we need carbs for that reason. THat is in my mind a myth because one important metabolic pathway rarely known to the great majority of people. ITs called NEOGLUCOGENESIS. The word broken down neo (alternate but similar) gluco (glucose) and finally genesis (creation of). This pathway is glucose production based on protein breakdown and is central to my theory as to why the participants lost twice as much fat on 1000cal day 90% fat 10% protein diet(modified fast) as did the group who ate nothing over the ten day period. Again think that caveman relied mainly on animals and their natural fat and protein. This is still true in modern times with cultures in artic regions that survive just fine without carbs, in fact with less cardiovascular disease than cultures where carbs have been introduced. They say it takes about twenty years for a culture to exhibit the same rate of disease once sugars and processed carbs are introduced.
So what have I said so far:
1. fat is the preferred energy source not carbs.
2. carbs are not needed for glucose storage after exercise b/c of a metabolic pathway of NEOGLUCOGENESIS.
Simply put most carb proponents are not even aware of that metabolic pathway and it doesnt figure into their thinking, so any of their theories arguing for carbs leaves out an important piece of the puzzle. We dont need processed carbs period.
So fat is like metabolic gold for the caveman and is the difference between survival in times of famine. They just didnt have the opportunity to store as much as modern human with supermarkets and year round fruit and carbs galore. They unlocked the key to fat loss as an energy source quite easily as this why it evolved that way. SO how do we take advantage of this and how do we explain the amount of fat doubled to with the 1000 cal day 90% fat and 10% (15 lbs on average with 14.5 lbs of fat loss with only 0.5% of lbm) versus the complete starvation (no calories over the ten day study with 21 lbs lost and only 7lbs fat the rest lbm/muscle)???? My hypothesis is it is due to largely overlooked processed of neoglucgenesis ( again production of glucose from protein) or in this case from lbm/muscle. Logic dictates that this metabolic pathway also allows for insulin production. Thats the key you see the muscle being burned hampers the glucagon (energy release hormone; insulin storage hormone and insulin overides glucagon) ratio, thus consuming the fat diet alters the insulin/glucagon ratio to a more favorable environment for fat loss. So you may try that diet and those principles and compare your results with other diets as you progress with weight loss. I think the results will speak for themselves. Ive rambled too long. I know this controversial, but its damn interesting to think about even if you dont believe it!!
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damn man! good read.BrothaBill said:Thanks, good to be back Lestat, still weird as ever so Im looking for some fun conversations, I decided to come back cuz I plumped up a bit after summer, not much but I was slacking, my goall this year is to run the Portland marathon in sept so this keeps me crazy mind on fitness, hey I posted this last night on the diet board for aggresive weight loss, its a hypothesis on the fastest way to lose weight, wonder what ya think, not enough members over there for any feedback. Started it today, not too bad so far, 1000cals 90% fat, 10% protein.
The fastest data for fat loss Ive seen is referred to in the Atkins book called the fat fast. In a nutshell two groups of individuals at a naval hospital where one ate nothing and lost 21lbs, if I remember correctly about only 7 lbs was fat the rest was lbm. THe second group consumed 90%fat 10% protein they lost 15lbs by hydro testing and 14.5lbs were fat with s slight loss of lbm at 0.5 lbs. I have done this with great results although I didnt weigh myself, the weight loss was dramatic.
Ive postulated a theory and thought and researched metabolism and how this seeming counterintuitive result could occur as I stated in an earlier thread. My hypothesis is this:
A medical fact is that insulin is the storage hormone and glucagon is the releasing hormone, they work in opposing regulation. Insulin overrides glucagon and makes it hard to release fat from cells when present so the key is to raise glucagon levels while keeping insulin to a minimum. This allows for ketosis where fat is broken down into ketone bodies and used for fuel. THat is one form of energy production and one route for the body to make energy. THe debate rages whether carbs are a better source energy source or are ketones and its route. Some studies suggest that they (ketone bodies) are in fact preferred by the brain than glucose as studied in epilepsy research. For sake of this theory I shall use this to explain my hypothesis. I think that if one was to seriously research the literature they would come to the same conclusion. SO in a nutshell, fat and later its derivatives ARE the preferred energy source for the human body. This seems counterintuitive as this whole hypothesis and fasting data suggest but Ive researched the hell out of metabolism and its pathways. I have a degree in cardiovascular techonology and work for the largest cardiology group in Seattle. I have a patient scheduled one per hour with most tests, mainly echocardiograms take me on average 20 minutes I have alot of internet surfing to do so I have a requisite knowledge and understanding on how to read medical literature and research and how to interpret it. So back to my hypothesis; we shall state as one point of my thesis(I know theres plenty of room for debate) that fat is the preferred energy route. I know counterintuitive as it sounds, but think simply: if evolutionarily speaking we would evolve the most efficient route for energy storage for the inevitable caveman famines, we dont store it as carbs. We store only a few thousand calories of glucose in our muscles, presumably for fight for flight response. That is quick energy needed to outrun a sabretooth tiger attack, but shortlived energy with cardiovascular results. I believe that is where the great myth of carbs being the preferred energy source. If it fuels us in quick burst, it must be the best fuel. But that doesnt mean its the preferred energy source as most draw as a conclusion. Again I point to the fact that we dont store glucose for energy purposes in caloric deprivation situation faced by cavemen. In times of lack of food sources fat is used as an energy, it packs more energy per gram and we have adapted a mechanism that is quite natural and evoltionary in nature. So that is a simple argument for the fat being better than carbs for energy although it is quite a complex theory, but I wont get too deep, nor cite for sake of brevity. The fight or flight response legacy of evolution has now in modern human lifestyles is a leftover and not as necessary and has damaging effects to the cardiovascular system when we are in state of stress. THat is the theory behind why a stressed out person is at a higher risk for heart attack which is a quite lengthy explanation I dont want to get too deep in. But in short insulin is very damaging to the endothelial cells lining causing fatty streaks moving on to calcification and in diabetics peripheral arterial disease where they amputate body parts in late stage. Diabetic angiograms, which is where we shoot a dye into the coronary arteries(heart arteries) and then fluoroscoped (xrayed) and there is a significant greater chance of damaged arteries, it looks like someone sprayed crap in a tube and it scatters along the walls. Im getting way off track, but if those plaques rupture a clot will form just like when you get a scrape, your body doesnt know the difference they just sense the release of rupture and send clotting factors blocking blood flow. Instant heart attack, the heart muscle downstream from the newly formed clot doesnt get blood and just as important waste products are not carried away resulting in muscle necrosis or myocardial infarction or simply known as a heart attack (this differs from electrical heart attacks, but that commonly occurs as a resulted of muscle irritation whre electricity flow of the heart is altered causing energy loops and a fatal arrythmia). So there is ample medical facts about the negative effects of insulin. And what causes insulin release, carbs and sugars. Hardly an argument for carbs being the best energy source since it encourages heart disease. Now of course many will never have a heart attack some would say, but in Vietnam autopsies of young men killed revealed that even at early age it was seen that fatty growths had already formed. Many experts say that this is response to refined foods such as pasta, bread anything that breaks down the cell walls of plants making the carbs easier to be digest being introduced into the modern human diet. This is indexed by whats called the glycemic number, the higher the number the faster its absorbed, the faster the blood sugar rises, the faster insulin is released and to a greater amount with obvious negative cardiovascular effects. Insulin is doubly dubious as it also stimulates hunger even after eating. Just think about how easy it is to overeat pasta and then raid the fridge for more. Again evolutionary relic, but think about, when a caveman finds a bunch of fruit in season he must eat as much as possible before it rots. SO insulin stimulates more eating and some have postulated that alcoholism may be traced to fermented fruit as it rots, logical but debatable as most things are. So as logic dictates excess insulin is bad, it follows that a high carb diet is bad especially processed carbs (breads and pasta) and is not necessary if your muscle is tanked already with the few thousand calories of glucose needed for the fight or flight response. Again many would argue that exercise depletes the glucose and that we need carbs for that reason. THat is in my mind a myth because one important metabolic pathway rarely known to the great majority of people. ITs called NEOGLUCOGENESIS. The word broken down neo (alternate but similar) gluco (glucose) and finally genesis (creation of). This pathway is glucose production based on protein breakdown and is central to my theory as to why the participants lost twice as much fat on 1000cal day 90% fat 10% protein diet(modified fast) as did the group who ate nothing over the ten day period. Again think that caveman relied mainly on animals and their natural fat and protein. This is still true in modern times with cultures in artic regions that survive just fine without carbs, in fact with less cardiovascular disease than cultures where carbs have been introduced. They say it takes about twenty years for a culture to exhibit the same rate of disease once sugars and processed carbs are introduced.
So what have I said so far:
1. fat is the preferred energy source not carbs.
2. carbs are not needed for glucose storage after exercise b/c of a metabolic pathway of NEOGLUCOGENESIS.
Simply put most carb proponents are not even aware of that metabolic pathway and it doesnt figure into their thinking, so any of their theories arguing for carbs leaves out an important piece of the puzzle. We dont need processed carbs period.
So fat is like metabolic gold for the caveman and is the difference between survival in times of famine. They just didnt have the opportunity to store as much as modern human with supermarkets and year round fruit and carbs galore. They unlocked the key to fat loss as an energy source quite easily as this why it evolved that way. SO how do we take advantage of this and how do we explain the amount of fat doubled to with the 1000 cal day 90% fat and 10% (15 lbs on average with 14.5 lbs of fat loss with only 0.5% of lbm) versus the complete starvation (no calories over the ten day study with 21 lbs lost and only 7lbs fat the rest lbm/muscle)???? My hypothesis is it is due to largely overlooked processed of neoglucgenesis ( again production of glucose from protein) or in this case from lbm/muscle. Logic dictates that this metabolic pathway also allows for insulin production. Thats the key you see the muscle being burned hampers the glucagon (energy release hormone; insulin storage hormone and insulin overides glucagon) ratio, thus consuming the fat diet alters the insulin/glucagon ratio to a more favorable environment for fat loss. So you may try that diet and those principles and compare your results with other diets as you progress with weight loss. I think the results will speak for themselves. Ive rambled too long. I know this controversial, but its damn interesting to think about even if you dont believe it!!
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I gotta get to bed, we'll chat soon.
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BrothaBill
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damn man! good read.
I gotta get to bed, we'll chat soon.
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Thanks after to talking to cardiovasular patients and asking them about their diet and seeing diabetic patients Im now definite against high carb diets, as well high saturated fat diets of course! Talk at ya soon my man!!
I gotta get to bed, we'll chat soon.
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Thanks after to talking to cardiovasular patients and asking them about their diet and seeing diabetic patients Im now definite against high carb diets, as well high saturated fat diets of course! Talk at ya soon my man!!
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good morning darlingRADAR said:Well good morning there
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hey sweetie, hope to talk with you tonightDakotah said:present
just for a few more minutes though -Im sleepy
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good morningTheOak01 said:
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Jaded!jaded said:Lady V!
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i´m doing goodTheOak01 said:
how are you?
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and i thought that i amTheOak01 said:
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damn,I got caught
like shaggy said "it wasnt me" lol
nah your good shit LadyV but your married and I dont think your husband would like sleeping on the couch lol,plus he is probably a very large man,I dont wanna die lol
anyway my second oxycontin is kicking in,so that means no more pain and I can sleep,plus its 535 am, good night
like shaggy said "it wasnt me" lol
nah your good shit LadyV but your married and I dont think your husband would like sleeping on the couch lol,plus he is probably a very large man,I dont wanna die lol
anyway my second oxycontin is kicking in,so that means no more pain and I can sleep,plus its 535 am, good night
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lolTheOak01 said:damn,I got caught
like shaggy said "it wasnt me" lol
nah your good shit LadyV but your married and I dont think your husband would like sleeping on the couch lol,plus he is probably a very large man,I dont wanna die lol
anyway my second oxycontin is kicking in,so that means no more pain and I can sleep,plus its 535 am, good night
(and i´m not married)
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TheOak01 said:damn,I got caught
like shaggy said "it wasnt me" lol
nah your good shit LadyV but your married and I dont think your husband would like sleeping on the couch lol,plus he is probably a very large man,I dont wanna die lol
anyway my second oxycontin is kicking in,so that means no more pain and I can sleep,plus its 535 am, good night
Try DXM soooo much better pain goes bye-bye and its legal and can order the powder online cheap plus you can visit different realities at higher plateau doses!! Lower levels its like oxycontin as far as pain and relaxing euphoria like a narcotic, but sounds are amplified and melodic. I swear its sum dang crazy trippy shite! go to thirdplateau.org faq section and read about it and dont worry about all that dying crap they talk about, its just bullshit disclaimer stuff its like the steroid disclaimers on fitness websites. Ive personally taken over 5000mg in one day and was just fine and the handful of people who rarely and I mean rarely die they claim is from mixing it with other drug like narcotics or antihistamines or just something else.
Anyone ever use DXM??
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And if so, have you ever gotten past the 4th plateau and entered sigma plateau. This quote was taken from thirdplateau.org faq section:
"At Plateau Sigma interesting things happen to reality. Some have reported vivid, entirely realistic contacts with alien entities, spirits, gods and goddesses. Unlike the fourth plateau, these contacts often take place with eyes open, immersed in everyday reality. Although none of the people who reported these experiences to me had bad trips, most related that the experiences were so real that they felt they easily could have"
And when they say immersed in everyday reality it truly is mindbending. Eyes wide open, awake travelling through the universe. I once had an experience where I felt basically normal and it felt like something was grabbing and physically moving me by the shoulders, put me in a chair, grapped my arm and forced my hand to draw the most amazing drawings. Im talking perfect circles perfect straight lines, I just let my arm go limp and some force controlled it. I drew prolly over a hundred pieces of paper. Towards the end I could control hand speed and still the drawings were perfect and I was going at an incredible speed when finished with a piece of paper something grabbed my hand like I was a child being grabbed by a mother and turning the papers. I never strayed off a piece of paper. I cant even describe some of the realities Ive travelled to except for infinite knowledge, gods and the end of the universe I called the omega plateau (plateaus are used to diffferentiate psychedelic experiences and was limited to three for the longest time with DXM they added the fourth plateau and sigma plateau and then whereever I went all while seeminly wide awake and lucid in this reality). When I had the drawing experience I tried to break free of the controlling force but by standing up and walking away, but I was pulled back like a rag doll to keep drawing. Although I never got into drugs even in college when my football roomate and friends smoked blunts all the time I stayed away. But Ive tried everything, everything and nothing like it. NOTHING like it, I thinkone everyone should go through the dxm experience if theyre not religious or spiritual like me, a scientist mind, before they die, itll change youre life and the way you view things. Truly amazing experiences, third eye kind of stuff, out of body travelling up the most exquisite waves of frequency and having beings communicate incredible knowledge as a gift if you make it that far on your journey. Life and our place in the universe, all questions being answered. And Im not a deadhead or even close. Mind bending and you dont go crazy at all~ to someone whose never used it, well, they think youre crazy if you describe the places you go(like alot will think when they read this). But just amazing experience. The physical control of your body is the weirdest thing one can experience its happen several times to me. I used it everyday at lower doses for a long time while dieting, the most effective appetite suppressant and painkiller Ive ever used.
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