Whoever says GH sucks without Insulin should be selling new cars

[MONSTROSITY]

These are the same people that feel every new model makes the last one obsolete and therefore the old one sucks and is out of the question...only the new one will do! Well this is the same mentality that is being used with respect to GH use in the presence of insulin.....ya ya ya..I have heard it a thousand times....GH and Insulin is the bomb!! I agree that it is a major reason for the transformation in physiques from Arnold's era to the present RC era. I have never used Insulin with GH or at all but I HAVE seen it's effects first hand and I have also seen many people who have used GH and AS with no insulin. And here's what I can say.....yes people who used AS and Insulin blew up, but the people who used AS and GH also broke new ground that they would not have been able to break with AS alone (in the absence of GH).

I can already here the defense from the insulin Gods.... Insulin must be used with GH, because GH decreases the sensitivity of Insulin. I realize that Insulin can help off set some negative sides of GH, but in doing so you can EASILY create far more problems for yourself. One of my good friends from college lives in Los Angeles and he has seen more GH use than anyone I know. GH is everywhere in LA, one of his training partners uses 20 IU's day along with a Insulin. I went out and trained with my buddy and his friends who are amongst the most elite powerlifters/benchers in the world........and when I left I came away with one thing and that was to never get into Insulin use. All it takes is one mess up and your gone, that's it. Some of the bodybuilders I hung out with at the Arnold also said stay away from Insulin if you can, in other words it's a last resort in an effort to get more massive.

I know some of you defendants of Insulin will start screaming b/c you have had no problems with it, and I am happy for you..I hope you continue to be healthy. But watching my Grandfather deteriorate from Diabetes was not a nice experience, and as many know insulin use greatly increases your chance of becoming diabetic.

Thousands and thousands of people used GH years before Insulin/GH use was popularized....and they wouldn't have kept blowing their money if the GH didn't do anything!!!

 

[bigmag]

well bro....that really depends on your goals....alot of people use gh during a cutting cycle, if that's the case you do need insulin. If you're bulking, your body is already releasing alot of insulin from the meals your eating (provided that you're eating right).

 

[ironmaster]

A lot of what you say is true, monstrosity, but I think you are overlooking the primary reason to use insulin with hGH. It's not (at least for me) as much a bulking issue, but rather, a safety and efficacy issue. You allude to the side effects of GH.......I assume you mean the tendancy of exogenous GH to cause desensitivity to insulin and to downregulate natural insulin production. According to the research, this is much more likely to cause diabetes than is light insulin supplementation. Of course, moderation and common sense is required with insulin.
I understand your concerns, though, having seen what severe diadetes can do to a person.
By the way, have you seen the new improved Escalade.......hehe.

 

[M.O.D]

A lot of what you say is true, monstrosity, but I think you are overlooking the primary reason to use insulin with hGH. It's not (at least for me) as much a bulking issue, but rather, a safety and efficacy issue. You allude to the side effects of GH.......I assume you mean the tendancy of exogenous GH to cause desensitivity to insulin and to downregulate natural insulin production. According to the research, this is much more likely to cause diabetes than is light insulin supplementation. Of course, moderation and common sense is required with insulin.
I understand your concerns, though, having seen what severe diadetes can do to a person.
By the way, have you seen the new improved Escalade.......hehe.

ole wise one

 

[Big Moose]

I still need to hear first hand experiences with Glucophage!!! It seems as if this may be a safer remedy for fighting desensitivity to insulin.

 

[Mr.Dank]

I agree with staying away from insulin as well. Like you said, one mess up and your dead. Only way I would use it was if my insulin sensitivity on gh got so low, that it was required. And at that point, which is basically GH induce type II diabetes, I would start looking into other options.
My opinion: if you dont need slin and take it, your only going to decrease your sensitivity to it and make yourself fat and then flat when you come off.