Who Was the Most Ruthless Regime in History?

[bluepeter]

I guess I can't forgive the Nips for Nanking.

Dunno why, might be the over-whelming photos.

Fine but can we refer to them without the slur?

 

[Lao Tzu]

None of u dudes are even close (well ok Pol Pot under Nature Broly is good) but umpteen modern regimes Africa beats the Sam Hill outta all o dat....but no one gives a shit (well fair fucks to the Yanks they tried in Somalia but realised that these folks aint for saving).
Idi Amin
Robert Mugabe

Two fine gentlemen indeed , would even have you for supper.....

Has Mugabe even killed anyone? I thought he was just stealing land and fucking up elections.

Stalin controlled 1/6 of the world, had nukes, and murdered over 20 million people. Idi Amin can't hold a candle to that, he barely killed 200k.

 

[Y_lifter]

N.o.w.

 

[AAP]

What I have never understood... is with the Nazis, why all the different methods of killing the Jews? Like the gas chambers. Or submerging them in the freezing water. Or locking them in a running van to suffocate. Why not just put a bullet in the head rather than go through all this extra time and effort? I mean, I have read accounts of Nazi doctors having lines out the door for 18 hours a day, bringing them in and injecting 20mls of liquids into their lungs through their chest in order to drown them while they were sitting there on the table. Why?

(not that I am advocating killing anyone, just don't understand why they didn't take the easiest route)

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

. i'm a poli sci major so this is right up my alley .

since youre a poly sci major thats probably not all!

 

[ChefWide]

Boris and Natasha.

 

[Lao Tzu]

What I have never understood... is with the Nazis, why all the different methods of killing the Jews? Like the gas chambers. Or submerging them in the freezing water. Or locking them in a running van to suffocate. Why not just put a bullet in the head rather than go through all this extra time and effort? I mean, I have read accounts of Nazi doctors having lines out the door for 18 hours a day, bringing them in and injecting 20mls of liquids into their lungs through their chest in order to drown them while they were sitting there on the table. Why?

(not that I am advocating killing anyone, just don't understand why they didn't take the easiest route)

Because it was hard on the soldiers mentally and inefficient to shoot people individually. Gas chambers could kill alot more people alot faster.

 

[Mandinka2]

Has Mugabe even killed anyone? I thought he was just stealing land and fucking up elections.

Stalin controlled 1/6 of the world, had nukes, and murdered over 20 million people. Idi Amin can't hold a candle to that, he barely killed 200k.

Mugabe: Torture - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3493958.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3376529.stm

They butchered a lotta those farmers , there's a lotta blood on the guys hands. Stalin had the numbers but Mugabe took more pride in his work.

Idi Amin:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/3175703.stm

"A British car salesman in Uganda, Robert Scanlon, had been accused by Amin the year before of being a British spy - he disappeared and I had reported he had been sledge-hammered to death in a secret prison.

So I was just contemplating whether we were going to meet the same fate - the so-called "hammer treatment", or perhaps, I wondered, the river treatment - being dropped into the Nile tied to a cement block.

Or even I thought, the helicopter treatment, when people were dropped out from a fatal height. "

-400k deaths but like in all Africa, it is the manner in which they are killed that is most alarming - millions die in wars but people do not seem to get extremely upset at this a la the Holocaust.

Quotes from Idi Amin :http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3082349.stm

"I want your heart. I want to eat your children."

"I ate them before they ate me. "

Quotes about Idi Amin:

"Even Amin does not know how many people he has ordered to be executed... The country is littered with bodies. "

- Henry Kyemba, Amin's longtime friend and a former health minister


I'm sure we can drum up a few pics out there for you.... I would say that only Pol Pot gave this guy a run for his money.

 

[Mandinka2]

What I have never understood... is with the Nazis, why all the different methods of killing the Jews? Like the gas chambers. Or submerging them in the freezing water. Or locking them in a running van to suffocate. Why not just put a bullet in the head rather than go through all this extra time and effort? I mean, I have read accounts of Nazi doctors having lines out the door for 18 hours a day, bringing them in and injecting 20mls of liquids into their lungs through their chest in order to drown them while they were sitting there on the table. Why?

(not that I am advocating killing anyone, just don't understand why they didn't take the easiest route)

Many stories such as the one about Mengele injecting irises blue to experiment have been dismissed as fabrications. As Nordstrom says gas chambers would make sense , particularly if they can produce something beforehand for the war effort. I'd like to see some of these accounts myself , I don't doubt some of it happened though - I know a few guys who saw what happened in Sarajevo.

 

[ChefWide]

What I have never understood... is with the Nazis, why all the different methods of killing the Jews? Like the gas chambers. Or submerging them in the freezing water. Or locking them in a running van to suffocate. Why not just put a bullet in the head rather than go through all this extra time and effort? I mean, I have read accounts of Nazi doctors having lines out the door for 18 hours a day, bringing them in and injecting 20mls of liquids into their lungs through their chest in order to drown them while they were sitting there on the table. Why?

(not that I am advocating killing anyone, just don't understand why they didn't take the easiest route)

Simple math mixed with ruthless debaucherie.

How to kill all those people with the very least amount of resources wasted is a tough job. There were lots of gun to the head: way to slow, bullets became scarse too as things progressed. Those about to be shot were lined up in single file, usually 6 in a row, then the first one was shot in the head with a rifle from close range to let the bullet pass through the first few in the line, sometimes more, sometimes less, to save rounds. Then those last in line were moved up, and more took the back of the line.

Soon even that became wastefull and getting the victims just to lay down in a big ass ditch and just bulldoze the dirt over the still living worked well, but was also wastefull. All those gold teeth, spectacles, belt buckles, buttons, clothes, shoes etc might be usefull, certainly the metalics were used.

SOOO... camps where slave labor could be used, farmed out to munitions plants, chem plants etc were used to support the war effort. No waste, prisoners built everything, managed the guard duties to a large extent in the form of yard capos, extracted the gold from the teeth of the dead, burried the dead, dug up the previous mass graves, etc.

That was all before the need to get rid of the 'evidence' as the war was clearly being lost, the real xyclon b gas chambers and the production ovens were ramped up to full capacity. Cheap, effective disposal of the 'problem'.

Please remember that it was not just jews, but 13+ million total killed: jews, gypsies, blacks, gays, the metally ill, the phyiscally challenged, the intelligencia and anyone related to the above if you couldn't pay/had a bad attitude/got the wrong guy that day.

The deaths of six million jews is horrendous. The gypsie culture was all but completely exterminated from europe. The best and brightest (read: those who where smart enough to complain/protest/try and do something) erased from the lands of the reich.

Dark history and as horrible as it is, it doesnt hold a candle to what the spaniards did in the new world. They had centuries to do it, but some estimates put the number over a hundred million.