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anyone?
who has used cytomel and recovered no problem?
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lartinos
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I have ever felt any side effects other than flat muscles.
Some people do have trouble coming off of it and go hypo.
Some people do have trouble coming off of it and go hypo.
genetics
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I learnt my very first lesson with cytomel the hard way when without running any anabolic substance, i ran 150mcgs of T3 every day and lost 35kgs of fat but every pound of muscle too and was reduced to skin and bones.
It was then that i learnt that T3 also eats muscle.
I then started cycling and after a couple of cycles leant to start using t3 sensibly with next to no muscle loss.
Hypo thyroidsm has never been a problem even after i ran cytomel for over 8 weeks straight. The trick i found is to taper down though. I would ramp it to a maximum of 125mcgs and keep tapering down once every 4 days thereabouts.
Only, when i'm totally off the cytomel, i would be very srtict on my overall caloric intake for about a month or so and slowly start increasing calories.
It was then that i learnt that T3 also eats muscle.
I then started cycling and after a couple of cycles leant to start using t3 sensibly with next to no muscle loss.
Hypo thyroidsm has never been a problem even after i ran cytomel for over 8 weeks straight. The trick i found is to taper down though. I would ramp it to a maximum of 125mcgs and keep tapering down once every 4 days thereabouts.
Only, when i'm totally off the cytomel, i would be very srtict on my overall caloric intake for about a month or so and slowly start increasing calories.
downunder hunter
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I've noticed you have started quite a few T3 threads lately bro, If you want to run it your gonna have to just take the leap of faith and do it already!!!
I did, Im 4 days in and I had the same concerns. You just have to weigh up the pros and cons do your research and decide whether your experienced enough and whether its for you or not
I did, Im 4 days in and I had the same concerns. You just have to weigh up the pros and cons do your research and decide whether your experienced enough and whether its for you or not
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lartinos
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A serious keto diet works much better for me.
endojuicedr
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T3 sux /
Lean and Mean
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Make sure you taper up and taper down to help recovery and prevent issues
downunder hunter
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endojuicedr
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First of all it's catabolic so you have to use it on aas or you will lose a good amount of muscle. Secondly, I believe it's more dangerous than dee-en-pee(which is not catabolic), messing with your thyroid is no joke.
aaron10121
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8 wks out from comp... have decided not to take the plunge. will keep the t3 and pass along. i am just too nervous and i really think my diet and cardio will get me to where i need to be. too concerned with my health later on to take chance.
downunder hunter
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looks like we got a runnin battle in two threads.
Again, you didnt answer my question! Are you talking from experience or just talking out of your ass and regurgitating shit that you read on the net?
You are right though it can be dangerous if not used correctly, To say its worse that DNP but is ridicolous
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endojuicedr
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Time for school:
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Harper JA, Dickinson K and Brand MD (2001) Mitochondrial uncoupling as a target for drug development for the treatment of obesity. Obesity Rev, 2, 255–265
In contrast to the use of thyroid extract (also in common use at the time to treat obesity), DNP did not promote urinary nitrogen excretion, so the assumption was made that weight loss could be attributed to a specific loss of fat (47).
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Bell, Jacques. 1939. Etude biologique des produits dinitres chez l'homme. Medecine. 19:749-54.
2. This increase of the metabolism is due mostly to an increase in the combustion of the fat and a little to combustion of carbohydrates.
3. Dinitrophenol does not attack cell tissue albumin and does not determine the fat loss to the expense of the muscles, contrary to thyroxine.
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Finally, thyroxine causes a nitrogen malnutrition: it burns the muscle and fatigues the heart. Dinitrophenol-lysidine, to the contrary, causes a lipid-glycemic loss: it is the elimination of reserve materials without attacking visceral and muscle tissue.
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Simkins S 1937 Dinitrophenol and desiccated thyroid in the treatment of obesity. JAMA 108:2110–2119.
The extra energy of metabolism is derived mainly from fat and practically not at all from protein or carbohydrate. Consequently, dinitrophenol in therapeutic dosage produces no breakdown of significant amounts of body protein, even with patients on an inadequate protein intake. This is in marked contrast with the very consdierable increase in nitrogen excretion observed in patients undergoing treatment with thyroid. The fat is used completely and satisfactorily broken down, as no ketone bodies are found in urine. There is a no hyperlipidemia or constant change in the fixed and fatty acids of the blood.
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Cutting WC, Tainter ML. Metabolic actions of dinitrophenol with the use of balanced and unbalanced diets. J Am Med Assoc 1933; 101: 2099–2102.
Dinitrophenol, used in doses of therapeutic range, caused increases in metabolism of the usual magnitude irrespective of the type of diet. The nitrogen excretion was never greater than the intake, even when the subjects lost as much as 5 pounds in body weight during one week. From this it seemed probable that there was no actual tissue breakdown during these short periods of heightened metabolism, but that the loss of weight was due to the utilization of stored carbohydrate or fat. This does not mean, of course, that tissue breakdown would not occur if the drug should be given over longer periods, but probably when materials other than protein are available these are utilized first. Thus the assumption might be made that, as long as the protein intake is adequate, any reduction in body weight is not primarily at the expense of the tissue proteins.
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3.The subjects excreted less nitrogen than they ingested, yet there were definite losses of body weight. Therefore, body proteins probably were not broken down. The output of urinary organic acid was not increased, thus indicating that the fats were completely burned without giving rise to acidosis.
This should make it very clear that T3 is much more catabolic, as far as arguing sides and dangers almost all of the problems with DNP have come from misdosage combined with misuse. It is very rare to find a UGL that doses their DNP correctly. I won't speak anymore about this subject since it is not allowed here, I'm not trying to promote one over the other but I do like to point things out when people are parroting incorrect information.
Quote:
Harper JA, Dickinson K and Brand MD (2001) Mitochondrial uncoupling as a target for drug development for the treatment of obesity. Obesity Rev, 2, 255–265
In contrast to the use of thyroid extract (also in common use at the time to treat obesity), DNP did not promote urinary nitrogen excretion, so the assumption was made that weight loss could be attributed to a specific loss of fat (47).
Quote:
Bell, Jacques. 1939. Etude biologique des produits dinitres chez l'homme. Medecine. 19:749-54.
2. This increase of the metabolism is due mostly to an increase in the combustion of the fat and a little to combustion of carbohydrates.
3. Dinitrophenol does not attack cell tissue albumin and does not determine the fat loss to the expense of the muscles, contrary to thyroxine.
...
Finally, thyroxine causes a nitrogen malnutrition: it burns the muscle and fatigues the heart. Dinitrophenol-lysidine, to the contrary, causes a lipid-glycemic loss: it is the elimination of reserve materials without attacking visceral and muscle tissue.
Quote:
Simkins S 1937 Dinitrophenol and desiccated thyroid in the treatment of obesity. JAMA 108:2110–2119.
The extra energy of metabolism is derived mainly from fat and practically not at all from protein or carbohydrate. Consequently, dinitrophenol in therapeutic dosage produces no breakdown of significant amounts of body protein, even with patients on an inadequate protein intake. This is in marked contrast with the very consdierable increase in nitrogen excretion observed in patients undergoing treatment with thyroid. The fat is used completely and satisfactorily broken down, as no ketone bodies are found in urine. There is a no hyperlipidemia or constant change in the fixed and fatty acids of the blood.
Quote:
Cutting WC, Tainter ML. Metabolic actions of dinitrophenol with the use of balanced and unbalanced diets. J Am Med Assoc 1933; 101: 2099–2102.
Dinitrophenol, used in doses of therapeutic range, caused increases in metabolism of the usual magnitude irrespective of the type of diet. The nitrogen excretion was never greater than the intake, even when the subjects lost as much as 5 pounds in body weight during one week. From this it seemed probable that there was no actual tissue breakdown during these short periods of heightened metabolism, but that the loss of weight was due to the utilization of stored carbohydrate or fat. This does not mean, of course, that tissue breakdown would not occur if the drug should be given over longer periods, but probably when materials other than protein are available these are utilized first. Thus the assumption might be made that, as long as the protein intake is adequate, any reduction in body weight is not primarily at the expense of the tissue proteins.
...
3.The subjects excreted less nitrogen than they ingested, yet there were definite losses of body weight. Therefore, body proteins probably were not broken down. The output of urinary organic acid was not increased, thus indicating that the fats were completely burned without giving rise to acidosis.
This should make it very clear that T3 is much more catabolic, as far as arguing sides and dangers almost all of the problems with DNP have come from misdosage combined with misuse. It is very rare to find a UGL that doses their DNP correctly. I won't speak anymore about this subject since it is not allowed here, I'm not trying to promote one over the other but I do like to point things out when people are parroting incorrect information.
