i have done 3 seperate 4 week dbol only cycles years back, every spring for 3 yrs. believe the following or not: it was this shit called ANABOLEX. each tab had 3mg of dbol and that appetite stimulant called periactum i think. it was a supp in a foreign country for weight gain! i followed the directions on the box, taking only 3 tabs a day, which is 9mg total of dbol daily. i gained 16lbs in 3 1/2wks the first time i tried them(not my first cycle), and 10-12lbs the other two times. all the times, i kept at least 5-7lbs of it without pct, nolva, anything! same gains on these cycles than the 8-10 weekers i pull these days, and same retention of gains. i dont understand how only 9mg of dbol gave me these gains, but they did. my next run will be short so we'll see if this still works for me. hope this gave you some insight. karma appreciated...