thanks for the response so far guys keep em coming cuz i am going to pick up a tub of something tomorrow .. so far i hear NO-Xploded is shit .. super pump is decent and animal pump is pretty good .. i still dont know which one to try .. i am takin ephedra pre-cardio now and it is working great .. with a good diet and intense excercise (cardio AM weights PM) i have dropped 8 lbs in 4 weeks but im definatly starting to slow down with the drop on the scale .. i am where i want to be at its just i cant seem to loose the tiny love handles and the little layer of fat on my botton abs .. the top 4 are poppin out like crazy ... around june i plan on taking an amplify/lipo stack becasue everyone i have talked to recommends those two .. i love this site the more threads i read and responses i get the more motivated i get .. hope all a good workout in the AM