Which cycle is better

[cboogsrun]

which would you prefer

Just needed some input. I know a guy who writes for a few magazines and is masters pro. I showed him my proposed cycle. He thought it was shit and gave me what he thought would be best. Here's the goal: to net 20lbs of muscle while dropping 10lbs of unwanted weight. Diet is #1 so it will be very clean thanks to EF's recipe page. Cycle #1

test prop 600mg/wk week 1-3
test e 500mg/wk week 3-10
eq 400mg/wk week 1-10
d-bol 40mg/day week 1-6

pct of hcg/nolva

Cycle #2

Tren 75mg/eod weeks 1-10
Test 100mg/eod weeks 1-10

Front loading tren and test @ weeks 1-4 at 150% of previous amounts
Ancillaries start half way through cycle and procede 3 weeks after last inj.
Ancillaries HCG, dostinex, nolva, and aifm.

Any suggestion how to make either cycle a little better would be more than welcome.

BOOGS

 

[krishna]

They both look good. On the first one I would run the test e starting from week 1. That way it will be kicking in good by the time you quit using the prop. On the second cycle, I would shoot tren ed instead of eod.

 

[Makavelli]

The first cycle doesn't make any sense. Why would you start prop for 3 weeks, then switch to ent? Ent takes 3 weeks to kick in. So your test levels will be low for 3 weeks. By the time it gets back up again you've only got 4 more weeks. I would go with 750 mgs/ent a week, 600 mgs/EQ a week, and 75 mgs/day of Tren the last 8 weeks. Kickstart with D-Bol at 75-100 mgs/day. Your goals are asking a lot. I don't think you'll be able to do that with the dosages you are using.

 

[cboogsrun]

Thanks guys, it appears i was correct. Not sure about 100mg of dbol a day. I enjoy my liver. anything over 35 sounds a bit extreme. Keep in mind the cycle is 10 weeks long. That is by far the longest I've ever done, and I've put on serious size in 6 and 8 weeks before. This time I'm trying to put on good weight, which could make a big difference. We'll have to wait and see.

BOOGS

 

[cboogsrun]

Anything to add MR. X or any other vets? Indy?

 

[growthspurt]

Anything to add MR. X or any other vets? Indy?

You just heard from two very good Bros. I will add to what Krishna and Mak said about that Prop. I'm amazed that a pro would tell you to do something stupid like take Prop for three weeks then start Enth?! Be careful who you get your advice from Bro.

 

[BOWTECH]

Agree with the others if you are going with #1 start the test e right from the beginning. Enjoy

 

[cboogsrun]

Just hearing it from 5 or 10 guys just helps solidify the fact. I wasn't trying to discredit anyone. I've been on this board for 4 years and 2 years plat on and off. I said the same thing about the prop. The guys that said the tren/test cycle was shit writes for 3 magazines also. I think he hangs out at Darren Nichols site. He's always pushing that site. No thanks I'm at home here. Thanks guys

BOOGS

You just heard from two very good Bros. I will add to what Krishna and Mak said about that Prop. I'm amazed that a pro would tell you to do something stupid like take Prop for three weeks then start Enth?! Be careful who you get your advice from Bro.

 

[cboogsrun]

I'm gonna go with the test/tren. Don't think I'm gonna take the tren ed. I'm trying to keep everything low dose longer cycle. I'll order extra just incase I want to up the tren. I'm not a big fan of orals especially at that dose for 6 weeks. I've read not to take bol longer than 3 weeks. Sounds like a good rule of thumb. Trying to keep it as healthy as I can.

BOOGS

Agree with the others if you are going with #1 start the test e right from the beginning. Enjoy

 

[mr. snakes]

cboogsrun:

Do cycle #1, it looks good except i would use Test E & EQ for 1-14 or 1-16.

 

[krishna]

I'm gonna go with the test/tren. Don't think I'm gonna take the tren ed. I'm trying to keep everything low dose longer cycle. I'll order extra just incase I want to up the tren. I'm not a big fan of orals especially at that dose for 6 weeks. I've read not to take bol longer than 3 weeks. Sounds like a good rule of thumb. Trying to keep it as healthy as I can.

BOOGS

Even doing 37.5 ed is better than 75 eod. It's the same amount, but it works better if you shoot ed; trust me bro, I've tried both ways.

 

[boston789]

Re: which would you prefer

Just needed some input. I know a guy who writes for a few magazines and is masters pro. I showed him my proposed cycle. He thought it was shit and gave me what he thought would be best. Here's the goal: to net 20lbs of muscle while dropping 10lbs of unwanted weight. Diet is #1 so it will be very clean thanks to EF's recipe page. Cycle #1

test prop 600mg/wk week 1-3
test e 500mg/wk week 3-10
eq 400mg/wk week 1-10
d-bol 40mg/day week 1-6

pct of hcg/nolva

Cycle #2

Tren 75mg/eod weeks 1-10
Test 100mg/eod weeks 1-10

Front loading tren and test @ weeks 1-4 at 150% of previous amounts
Ancillaries start half way through cycle and procede 3 weeks after last inj.
Ancillaries HCG, dostinex, nolva, and aifm.

Any suggestion how to make either cycle a little better would be more than welcome.

BOOGS

If you wanna run the prop and enan together, which I do, start the prop and enan at the same time. And if you could run the enan for at least 12 weeks you would be much happier with the results. And the EQ....this has got to be run for AT LEAST 12 weeks, preferably 14+ weeks. Also, if you could make a test/tren/eq/ cycle then that would be even better. Another thing that you should consider doing is ending your cycle with prop as well for 4 weeks. I do it right after (a day or so) my last shot of test or eq. This will allow the transition into PCT be much easier due to the fast-acting esters leaving your body quickly. ie:

1-4 - prop 600mg ew
1-12 - enan 500mg ew
1-14 - eq 400mg ew
1-8 - tren 75 ed
13-16 - prop 100mg eod

Start HCG at 500ius eod during the prop (13-16) while running nolva at 20mg ed. When prop is done so is HCG. Then use the clomid for 2 or 3 weeks at 100mg ed and then down to 50mg ed; while still using nolva 20mg ed for about another 4 or 5 weeks. All depends how you fel i guess.

I think you would be please with this type of set up instead...good luck! Im planning on doing something a little similiar in a few months. Expect im adding var for 7 or 8 weeks and its gonna be a 16 weeker.

 

[monkey arms]

go with #2. Don't make things too complicated. It all works well, as long as 1. your stuff is real 2. you train your ass off and 3. you eat well.

I've done tren several times and ED IS the way to go regardless of dose. No need to front load it.

 

[cboogsrun]

Re: which would you prefer

It sure seems everyone wants to add add add. Nope, keepin it light. I don't need a whole lot of gear to see good results. 16 weeks, wow thats twice as long as I've ever went before. You gotta crawl before you can walk. No need for me to go for 16 weeks. When the gains start slowing up and I need to go for 16 weeks on tren and test, I'm haning the gloves up. No more gear for me after that. 16 weeks of eq however is a different story. Thanks for everyones input. It is very appreciated.

BOOGS

If you wanna run the prop and enan together, which I do, start the prop and enan at the same time. And if you could run the enan for at least 12 weeks you would be much happier with the results. And the EQ....this has got to be run for AT LEAST 12 weeks, preferably 14+ weeks. Also, if you could make a test/tren/eq/ cycle then that would be even better. Another thing that you should consider doing is ending your cycle with prop as well for 4 weeks. I do it right after (a day or so) my last shot of test or eq. This will allow the transition into PCT be much easier due to the fast-acting esters leaving your body quickly. ie:

1-4 - prop 600mg ew
1-12 - enan 500mg ew
1-14 - eq 400mg ew
1-8 - tren 75 ed
13-16 - prop 100mg eod

Start HCG at 500ius eod during the prop (13-16) while running nolva at 20mg ed. When prop is done so is HCG. Then use the clomid for 2 or 3 weeks at 100mg ed and then down to 50mg ed; while still using nolva 20mg ed for about another 4 or 5 weeks. All depends how you fel i guess.

I think you would be please with this type of set up instead...good luck! Im planning on doing something a little similiar in a few months. Expect im adding var for 7 or 8 weeks and its gonna be a 16 weeker.

 

[zips92]

What is the advantage/purpose of starting the AI halfway through the cycle? You are sure to have aromatization prior to week 5 - 6 taking dianabol and/or test prop?

 

[cboogsrun]

I read a study on this board about 2 weeks ago. A doctor who deals with aas says using ancillaries throughout the whole cycle will prevent the CRASH at the end of the cycle. He's suppose to be an expert so I guess why not give it a try. Even though I'm only going half way, its gotta be better than nothing. If this truly works well, on the next cycle I wouldn't mind spending another 150 bucks on all of the ancillaries. I guess I'm trying to save a buck. I know that sounds stupid, but they are my bucks to save so eat shit. LOL

 

[Only1eagle]

Tren has no need of front loading. So doubleing your dose is kind of crazy!