Which aromatizes more, Test or D-bol?

[geoboy]

at common moderate doses, say 40 mg Dbol ED, vs 600 mg EW Test Cyp, which would tend to produce more estrogen??

 

[sh4dowf4lcon]

I would say test.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Dbo is a substrait for the aromatase enzeme at approximately 42% of the rate that testosterone is, just like boldenone (Hmmm... I hope most of us know why that is). So definately the test. So wait... why then does dbol cause more bloating that eq? The reason is that it does not convert into standard estradoil. The aromatase enzyme converts its, but does not remove the 17-aa molecule that makes dbol work so well. This greatly extends the half-life of any estradoil created from dbol. It allows it to "hang around" in the blood stream for a much longer period of time, despite being produced in a lower quantity. This is the same reason dbol seems to produce such remarkable gains, despite being a much weaker androgen than testosterone. It has a half-life in the bloodstream of roughly 3 hours, while testosterone that has been unesterized has a halflife of closer to 15 minutes. I hope this simple explination helps to answer your question. More likely though, I suspect it will only confuse the question further, but it is an honest answer.

 

[Goldprospector]

Good post BBF

 

[ripper2]

1g of test/wk doesn't cause any gyno symptoms for me, but 50mg of dbol/day will.

 

[geoboy]

thanks for the responses. I just started ramping down after 4 weeks of about 30 mg dbol ED, and started to lose size (water) almost immediately. I figured the 500-600 mg EW of test cyp would have started to get to critical mass on the estrogen side by then BUT NOOOOOOO. thus the question. (this is first time with dbol & higher dose test. past major cycles have been maintenece test with EQ &/or var).

p.s. I have very sensitive hair follicles (telogen effluvium) when it comes to trils of winny, proviron, or even 1-TU, but so far the test & dbol is fine. (hope I'm not jinxing it now). the var (35 mg ed) and EQ (500 mg ew) also fine hair-wise for me.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

geoboy, I do well with test and eq myself on the hairline, but winstrol and proviron really do a number on me. If you look at my gallery, my face picture was taken with winny in my stack, and you can see my hair is a bit thin.

 

[Dial_tone]

I don't do well with test; gyno develops even at ridiculoulsy low doses. I'm going to limit my androgens to the non aromatizing kind like fina and base things on EQ/Deca from now on.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

DT I've found high doses of eq stacked with low doses of tren work well for me. I'm only using test right now instead for the increased libido and the lower price to manufactor prop vs. eq. 100 mg of eq and 50 mg of tren ed works very well for me.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

1g of test/wk doesn't cause any gyno symptoms for me, but 50mg of dbol/day will.

That's interesting... yeah, I've noticed the same thing. I get puffy nips on dbol almost immediately (only tried it twice), even on a-dex. Test doesn't seem to give me problems. Have you tried both with the same type of anti-estragen at those doses? Just curious.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

femara works well with dbol

btw- the estrogenic metabolic of d-bol aromatization is much stronger than estradiol.

 

[OXANDRIN]

I think BBF hit it pretty much on the head.

Testosterone will be converted into more estrogen than dbol or eq via the enzyme aromatase. Aromatase is an enzyme that catalyzes the conversion of testosterone and other C19 steroids to estradiol. there might be a difference in the amount of estrone (E1) and estradiol (E2) caused by test/dbol/eq. and whether this would be significant i don't know either

 

[javolic]

nice explain thought!!!

 

[ripper2]

That's interesting... yeah, I've noticed the same thing. I get puffy nips on dbol almost immediately (only tried it twice), even on a-dex. Test doesn't seem to give me problems. Have you tried both with the same type of anti-estragen at those doses? Just curious.

yeah, i was shooting 1.5cc of sust EOD and had no gyno related problems. started taking 12.5mg EOD of Aromasin just to kill some of the bloat. added Dbol in a few weeks ago and within 3-4 days i noticed sensitive nips... took 60mg/day of nolva for about 5 days and had to up my Aromasin dosage to 25mg ED before i could get by without growing tits from the Dbol.

everytime i've used Dbol i've had gyno problems. EVEN taking arimidex/letrozole and now aromasin i had to fight it with nolva and then seriously up my dosage on the anti-Es. havne't had this kind of gyno problem with anythign else i've used.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

ripper, wow, it looks like dbol really does a number on you. I'm curious if the longer halflife on the estradoil created from it is particularly a problem for you. Have you used any other 17aa gear that can be acted on by the aromtase enzyme such as anadrol?

 

[ripper2]

ripper, wow, it looks like dbol really does a number on you. I'm curious if the longer halflife on the estradoil created from it is particularly a problem for you. Have you used any other 17aa gear that can be acted on by the aromtase enzyme such as anadrol?

i have never used anadrol... i am considering trying it in the future just to see if i can get by without the gyno symptoms i get from dbol. i love the pumps/size/strength i get from dbol but fighting the E everytime i use it in a cycle is a pain.

 

[karachi183]

Is this a common find w/dbol...... I have a 100 russians i been waiting to take. Do alot of guys find dbol to aggrevate gyno symptons... also a friend of mine took the same amount and kind of dbols and had no gyno but broke out like a MOFO even on the face. So does dbol really have these nasty sides at lets say 20-25mg a day the most???

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Is this a common find w/dbol...... I have a 100 russians i been waiting to take. Do alot of guys find dbol to aggrevate gyno symptons... also a friend of mine took the same amount and kind of dbols and had no gyno but broke out like a MOFO even on the face. So does dbol really have these nasty sides at lets say 20-25mg a day the most???

That's hard to say. It seems to be an individual thing. Some guys have alot of sides on 25 mg of dbol a day, and other guys use 50-60 mg a day and do not seem to have problems. One never knows until they try it.