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fogg88 said:
From a "ridiculous"website called MEDLINE
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If you're going to do a search for these studies on Medline, then you should probably read them too. You'll find that most of the studies used amounts of vitamin B that would be difficult to ingest because the dosage is so high. You have a point regarding the possibility of vit. B causing the proliferation of acne, but mega dosing would be required to achieve that kind of adverse reaction.
I don't know why you even bothered posting the studies that cite anabolic steroids in any of the text.
Interesting post bro, I'll give you that. But I don't think you have much to worry about concerning the combination of protein & vit. B.
I don't know why you even bothered posting the studies that cite anabolic steroids in any of the text.
Interesting post bro, I'll give you that. But I don't think you have much to worry about concerning the combination of protein & vit. B.
TYPE A said:
I don't have easy access to those studies. It seems that you have done so. Can you please specify what dosages were used?
Also, I don't "have a point" but many dermatologists I talked to swear by it. They could tell me the mechanism by how it does cause acne and tell me also that it is very common in younger dudes. 3 out of 5 and it has to be with a specific skin layer and the sebaceous gland causing the skin to be grease , therefore causing acne. I really don't recall how it happens but when you say something like "acne/b-vitamins correlation is ridiculous" you should know very well and explain why it is ridiculous. What I haven't seen so far. At least I have something in the scientific world and in the real world to speculate. If you guys read the whole studies please post.
DITTO
There are several dif kinds of acne...
Fog88 is very knowledgeable and always puts forth great input, you should show some respect...
Okay bro, I didn't go through all of these but I can tell you that the studies are referencing serious types of acne... not your regular pimple. Some of these extreme forms of acne are diseases and in some cases, viruses. So what these studies are suggesting is that individuals with pre-existing conditions of severe acne should avoiid extremely high dosages of certain vitamins... mainly vit. B. Hypervitamintosis doesn't occur often and if it were to occur in an individaul with a pre-existing case of severe acne, there would be a series of stages where acne (mainly caused by bacteria... not grease) would permeate the epidermis causing scaring to occur along with a slew of other unfavorable effects. The purpose of some of the studies was to determine if vit. B actually inhibited enzymes that break down the growth of bacteria. I'd give you dosages if I could make better sense of some of these old studies, but most of them used injections instead of the oral forms we come across at the grocery store.
Judging by your first post, I don't think you don't have any serious acne diseases or viruses, but if you do then you probably should avoid hypervitamintosis with b vitamins. Assuming that protein formulas have mega doses of vit b in them seems a tad rediculous... I'd be more concerned about hormones causing acne than vit. b.
Hope this gives you some insight. If not, try micro-derm abrasion or make sure your mom washes your face before sleepy time.
Fog88 is very knowledgeable and always puts forth great input, you should show some respect...
Okay bro, I didn't go through all of these but I can tell you that the studies are referencing serious types of acne... not your regular pimple. Some of these extreme forms of acne are diseases and in some cases, viruses. So what these studies are suggesting is that individuals with pre-existing conditions of severe acne should avoiid extremely high dosages of certain vitamins... mainly vit. B. Hypervitamintosis doesn't occur often and if it were to occur in an individaul with a pre-existing case of severe acne, there would be a series of stages where acne (mainly caused by bacteria... not grease) would permeate the epidermis causing scaring to occur along with a slew of other unfavorable effects. The purpose of some of the studies was to determine if vit. B actually inhibited enzymes that break down the growth of bacteria. I'd give you dosages if I could make better sense of some of these old studies, but most of them used injections instead of the oral forms we come across at the grocery store.
Judging by your first post, I don't think you don't have any serious acne diseases or viruses, but if you do then you probably should avoid hypervitamintosis with b vitamins. Assuming that protein formulas have mega doses of vit b in them seems a tad rediculous... I'd be more concerned about hormones causing acne than vit. b.
Hope this gives you some insight. If not, try micro-derm abrasion or make sure your mom washes your face before sleepy time.
fogg88
New member
Hey, thanks for the kind words, Type A. 
I really didn't feel any disprespect coming from ryce though. I guess if I posted a question and someone shot back an answer with the word "ridiculous", I wouldn't be thrilled either.
Ryce... honestly, I was unaware of the studies that you posted the references to. But like Type A said, these studies are talking about megadoses of the B-vitamins. (like 100mg of B6 and 100mcg of B12, which are about 5000% and 1600% of the RDA, respectively.) Megadoses of anything can have deleterious effects. Hell, you can OD on water. (Look at the occasional raver kid, hopped up on E, who drinks so much water that she literally flushes all the electrolytes from her system and dies.) Anyway, taking megadoses of the B-vitamins like that is a bad idea, if from nothing other than an economic standpoint, since your body generally can only use so much and then will quickly excrete what it doesn't need.
Now, just because mega-doses of b-vitamins may cause/aggravate a condition, doesn't mean you need to avoid them completely. (Which is what I gathered from your original post when you said "avoid consuming b-vitamin.") I still think it is ridiculous that you would avoid them altogether, or that a dermatologist may have recommended you do this. If you do some more research, you can see that more moderate doses of the b-vitamins are frequently advised to help treat acne.
If you don't train and just sit at home, then eat a well-balanced diet and you'll get enough b's to prevent deficiency disease. If you exercise, and consume additional protein, then you need more b-vitamins. This doesn't mean you have to take megadoses, but taking lower doses that still exceed the RDA probably isn't going to hurt you.
To answer your original question, any whey from a reputable company will work just fine for you. If you're insistent upon having a b-free protein, then just read the label and buy one without.
I really didn't feel any disprespect coming from ryce though. I guess if I posted a question and someone shot back an answer with the word "ridiculous", I wouldn't be thrilled either.Ryce... honestly, I was unaware of the studies that you posted the references to. But like Type A said, these studies are talking about megadoses of the B-vitamins. (like 100mg of B6 and 100mcg of B12, which are about 5000% and 1600% of the RDA, respectively.) Megadoses of anything can have deleterious effects. Hell, you can OD on water. (Look at the occasional raver kid, hopped up on E, who drinks so much water that she literally flushes all the electrolytes from her system and dies.) Anyway, taking megadoses of the B-vitamins like that is a bad idea, if from nothing other than an economic standpoint, since your body generally can only use so much and then will quickly excrete what it doesn't need.
Now, just because mega-doses of b-vitamins may cause/aggravate a condition, doesn't mean you need to avoid them completely. (Which is what I gathered from your original post when you said "avoid consuming b-vitamin.") I still think it is ridiculous that you would avoid them altogether, or that a dermatologist may have recommended you do this. If you do some more research, you can see that more moderate doses of the b-vitamins are frequently advised to help treat acne.
If you don't train and just sit at home, then eat a well-balanced diet and you'll get enough b's to prevent deficiency disease. If you exercise, and consume additional protein, then you need more b-vitamins. This doesn't mean you have to take megadoses, but taking lower doses that still exceed the RDA probably isn't going to hurt you.
To answer your original question, any whey from a reputable company will work just fine for you. If you're insistent upon having a b-free protein, then just read the label and buy one without.
Bring up the whole study or keep quiet. Also stick to the Tread
At least I know where my mom is.......
"judging by your first post" Are you really that thick? I don't have ANY acne problem!! STOP ASSuming.
"Okay bro, I didn't go through all of these but I can tell you that the studies are referencing serious types of acne"
Can you please be honest and say: "I did not read ANY of these studies but, again, I ASSume that...." .... means whatever
You are still draging conclusions from the abstracts I came up in 5 seconds before your " very knowledgeable " friend tried to be a smart ass and got to clown.
And what example did you bring up?
None. Not a one. Not a single one. Nada, zilch, zippo, goose egg,
the big nothing.
Also I would appreciate if you stick with the thread " Whey and Vitamin B content "
PS: protein formulas don't have megadoses of Vitamin B or whatever. That usually happens with MRP- Meal Replacement Powder"- that are fortified with Vitamins and so on.
Now, time to have some fun.
See you later
TYPE A said:
At least I know where my mom is.......
"judging by your first post" Are you really that thick? I don't have ANY acne problem!! STOP ASSuming.
"Okay bro, I didn't go through all of these but I can tell you that the studies are referencing serious types of acne"
Can you please be honest and say: "I did not read ANY of these studies but, again, I ASSume that...." .... means whatever
You are still draging conclusions from the abstracts I came up in 5 seconds before your " very knowledgeable " friend tried to be a smart ass and got to clown.
And what example did you bring up?
None. Not a one. Not a single one. Nada, zilch, zippo, goose egg,
the big nothing.
Also I would appreciate if you stick with the thread " Whey and Vitamin B content "
PS: protein formulas don't have megadoses of Vitamin B or whatever. That usually happens with MRP- Meal Replacement Powder"- that are fortified with Vitamins and so on.
Now, time to have some fun.
See you later
fogg88
New member
Re: Bring up the whole study or keep quiet. Also stick to the Tread
I'm sure you're referring to me as being a smart-ass, but I'm not quite sure what "got to clown" means. Regardless, my typing "ditto" was not being smart ass. I agreed with what Type A posted, and typing "ditto" was my way of saying "same as above".
Did I read all the studies you posted? Of course not. Did I do a search on a couple and review the relevant data? Yes. Hence, my last post.
Thanks for informing us that MRP stands for Meal Replacement Powder. Now let me return the favor. Yes, they are vitamin-fortified. But, 50 or 100% of the RDA does not equate to a megadose of anything.
BTW, if you want to believe a dermatologist that tells you small amounts of b-vitamins should be avoided, that's your business. Maybe he can pick out a protein powder for you also.
ryce said:
I'm sure you're referring to me as being a smart-ass, but I'm not quite sure what "got to clown" means. Regardless, my typing "ditto" was not being smart ass. I agreed with what Type A posted, and typing "ditto" was my way of saying "same as above".
Did I read all the studies you posted? Of course not. Did I do a search on a couple and review the relevant data? Yes. Hence, my last post.
Thanks for informing us that MRP stands for Meal Replacement Powder. Now let me return the favor. Yes, they are vitamin-fortified. But, 50 or 100% of the RDA does not equate to a megadose of anything.
BTW, if you want to believe a dermatologist that tells you small amounts of b-vitamins should be avoided, that's your business. Maybe he can pick out a protein powder for you also.
