Where's the CNN outrage at this???

[Razorguns]

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2004/05/19/464624-ap.html

1) Palestinians gather to protest in the street
2) Isreali's launch MISSILES at them and MACHINE GUNS at them
3) 10+ Palestinian children die and dozens wounded.

And OUR biggest gripe is a bunch of soldiers poking fun at iraqi soldiers?

Imagine the BACKLASH if US troops did that in Iraq. But when Isreal does it -- it's just *another day in israel*.

When palestinians gather to peacefully protest their treatment by their oppressors, they're KILLED -- WHAT motiviation is there for them NOT to use suicide bombers. Can anyone blame them?

You're killed if you do, and killed if you don't.

Where's the Bush OUTRAGE at Isreali for doing this absolutely outright demonic and disgusting organized murder of women and children.

Who's a terrorist is an argument that changes based upon which side of the missile you are on.

If Isreali's are out shooting MISSILES and KILLING innocent men, women and children people protesting in the streets -- they're no more barbaric and ruthless than your Al Qaeda or Pol Pot. More power to the Palestinians to kill those murderers then. State-sponsored murder can NEVER be excused by governments of any nations.

Nor can looking the "other" way like our Isreali-backed wimpy ass no back-bone organization called the US government.

 

[Code]

Man, I've been saying this about Israel for years.

No one gives a shit for some reason.

I think somewhere along the lines, American culture gave the jews carte blanche to kill Palestinians in cold blood. I just never got the memo.

 

[from zero]

Heh.

Ass backwards, I say.

 

[The Wenis]

hamas = al aqsa = israeli government

they each murder children. but don't expect the government to stop throwing $$ at israel and condemnation at the palestinians.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

CNN doesn;t report it because people are too stupid to understand the real issue.

Is it reasonable to compare the US, surrounded by oceans and two irrelevant countries to Israel, in the Middle east and apply the same standards of behavior.

Israel is not the US. It is not a superpower. It is not isolated. It is not next to Mexico and Canada.

The behaviors are not comparable. Americans are too dumb to get it, thus CNN won;t report it.

 

[PIGEON-RAT]

what's kerry's take on the whole israel deal? would he actually condemn these attacks and join the rest of the rational world and finally impose some sanctions on this rogue nation?

if he promised to i might actually vote for him. but it seems like there's some conspiracy among all US gov't officials to back up their butt buddy israel.

 

[bluepeter]

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2004/05/19/464624-ap.html

1) Palestinians gather to protest in the street
2) Isreali's launch MISSILES at them and MACHINE GUNS at them
3) 10+ Palestinian children die and dozens wounded.

And OUR biggest gripe is a bunch of soldiers poking fun at iraqi soldiers?

Imagine the BACKLASH if US troops did that in Iraq. But when Isreal does it -- it's just *another day in israel*.

When palestinians gather to peacefully protest their treatment by their oppressors, they're KILLED -- WHAT motiviation is there for them NOT to use suicide bombers. Can anyone blame them?

You're killed if you do, and killed if you don't.

Where's the Bush OUTRAGE at Isreali for doing this absolutely outright demonic and disgusting organized murder of women and children.

Who's a terrorist is an argument that changes based upon which side of the missile you are on.

If Isreali's are out shooting MISSILES and KILLING innocent men, women and children people protesting in the streets -- they're no more barbaric and ruthless than your Al Qaeda or Pol Pot. More power to the Palestinians to kill those murderers then. State-sponsored murder can NEVER be excused by governments of any nations.

Nor can looking the "other" way like our Isreali-backed wimpy ass no back-bone organization called the US government.

Amen brother! Sounds like terrorism to me. Isn't dubya supposed to be against states that sponsor terrorism?

 

[gonelifting]

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2004/05/19/464624-ap.html

1) Palestinians gather to protest in the street
2) Isreali's launch MISSILES at them and MACHINE GUNS at them
3) 10+ Palestinian children die and dozens wounded.

And OUR biggest gripe is a bunch of soldiers poking fun at iraqi soldiers?

Imagine the BACKLASH if US troops did that in Iraq. But when Isreal does it -- it's just *another day in israel*.

When palestinians gather to peacefully protest their treatment by their oppressors, they're KILLED -- WHAT motiviation is there for them NOT to use suicide bombers. Can anyone blame them?

You're killed if you do, and killed if you don't.

Where's the Bush OUTRAGE at Isreali for doing this absolutely outright demonic and disgusting organized murder of women and children.

Who's a terrorist is an argument that changes based upon which side of the missile you are on.

If Isreali's are out shooting MISSILES and KILLING innocent men, women and children people protesting in the streets -- they're no more barbaric and ruthless than your Al Qaeda or Pol Pot. More power to the Palestinians to kill those murderers then. State-sponsored murder can NEVER be excused by governments of any nations.

Nor can looking the "other" way like our Isreali-backed wimpy ass no back-bone organization called the US government.

Your points would only be valid if all humans were equal.

 

[ChefWide]

Amen brother! Sounds like terrorism to me. Isn't dubya supposed to be against states that sponsor terrorism?

Uh... problem!


The U.S. sponsors terrorism, always has. Anyone with a first grade knowledge of Central America knows this... so that leaves Pres. O'Cokespoon out of the loop.

 

[jestros]

If anyone complains in the news, they get the ADL sicked on em.
Israel can get away with anything it wants, they can thank hitler for that.

 

[The Wenis]

Pres. O'Cokespoon

where do you come up with this shit?

 

[Viking850]

When palestinians gather to peacef...r cause and for their P.R. in world politics.

 

[NJjuice22]

LMao..its funny you say that...US just killed 40 peope including women and children at a wedding in the iraqi dessert..

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5013551/

 

[ChefWide]

where do you come up with this shit?

Sadly, it's too damn easy to make funny of Chimpy McDouchbag.

 

[Lao Tzu]

Man, I've been saying this about Israel for years.

No one gives a shit for some reason.

I think somewhere along the lines, American culture gave the jews carte blanche to kill Palestinians in cold blood. I just never got the memo.

I dont know what the truth is. Israeli official version of events is this.

The crowd (some of whom were armed) were marching in. warning shots were fired and ignored. So warning shots were fired at a nearby abandoned building, this is what hit the protestors.

Naturally that is probably false in some ways but i don't buy the 'peaceful palestinians with israelis shooting into crowds for no reason' storyline either.

 

[bluepeter]

Uh... problem!


The U.S. sponsors terrorism, always has. Anyone with a first grade knowledge of Central America knows this... so that leaves Pres. O'Cokespoon out of the loop.

I know, just trying to point out the irony

 

[Razorguns]

It's a common political defensive tactic.

When confronted by press or governments -- just claim "there were armed men spotted in the crowd. We tried to disperse the crowd with off-range artilerry fire. And in the PROCESS, dozens of innocent people died". (yeah that happens a lot doesn' it?)

The isreali's have been using this PR technique for DECADES.

Maybe the FBI can learn a lesson here. Next time a bunch of hippies protest in downtown chicago. Have our army start blowing them away with missiles and helicopters. And when Americans are outraged after 100 american men women and children are lying in the street dead -- claim they "saw" a few armed guys amongst them.

Great fucking tactic. Isreal wins big time. Allows the Isreali's to get away with murder, and prevents palestinians from thinking twice about arranging another protest.

Proof is in the pudding -- NO isreali is gonna get charged with this or even a tribunal will be arranged. Their deaths will be in vain and forgotten by next week. I doubt the Isreali's even did fucking paperwork on this. At least in the US we have Waco Tribunals and investigations. Over there soldiers get $200 fines.

Welcome to the middle east. Enjoy your stay.

 

[PIGEON-RAT]

CNN doesn;t report it because people are too stupid to understand the real issue.

Is it reasonable to compare the US, surrounded by oceans and two irrelevant countries to Israel, in the Middle east and apply the same standards of behavior.

Israel is not the US. It is not a superpower. It is not isolated. It is not next to Mexico and Canada.

The behaviors are not comparable. Americans are too dumb to get it, thus CNN won;t report it.

Matt I hope you would realize how slippery of a slope you tread when you start professing relative moralism. Targeting civilians is targeting civilians is targeting civilians. Are you going to tell me that the best trained military in the world just happened to miss their shots at the supposed militants in the crowd?

Now regarding Razorguns first post, even the Israelis killing Palestinian civilians does not justify suicide bombers killing Israeli civilians. If the Palestinian militant groups attacked Israeli government and military targets, they wouldn't face as much condemnation, but they never take such a relative high road either. So it's just a cycle of civilian murder until one side decides to stop killing innocents. The international community (save the US) is tired of Israel trying to justify their actions. Most rational people see right through it.

Abstaining from killing civilians doesn't necessarily fix anything, especially if the other side is unwilling to honor the decision, but not abstaining certainly does make the situation worse.

 

[gonelifting]

It's a Their deaths will be in vain and forgotten by next week. I doubt the Isreali's even did fucking paperwork on this.
Welcome to the middle east. Enjoy your stay.

Correct, except for the family members of the dead who may just have changed over to the "other side". There seems to be a suicide bomber born every day this way.

 

[ChefWide]

Matt I hope you would realize how slippery of a slope you tread when you start professing relative moralism. Targeting civilians is targeting civilians is targeting civilians. Are you going to tell me that the best trained military in the world just happened to miss with their cruise missiles and slammed a crowded marketplace?


Abstaining from killing 10000+ civilians doesn't necessarily fix anything, especially if the other side is unwilling to honor the decision, but not abstaining certainly does make the situation worse.

Just a bit of editing makes the pot look like a loudmouth.

 

[bluepeter]

Matt I hope you would realize how slippery of a slope you tread when you start professing relative moralism. Targeting civilians is targeting civilians is targeting civilians. Are you going to tell me that the best trained military in the world just happened to miss their shots at the supposed militants in the crowd?

Now regarding Razorguns first post, even the Israelis killing Palestinian civilians does not justify suicide bombers killing Israeli civilians. If the Palestinian militant groups attacked Israeli government and military targets, they wouldn't face as much condemnation, but they never take such a relative high road either. So it's just a cycle of civilian murder until one side decides to stop killing innocents. The international community (save the US) is tired of Israel trying to justify their actions. Most rational people see right through it.

Abstaining from killing civilians doesn't necessarily fix anything, especially if the other side is unwilling to honor the decision, but not abstaining certainly does make the situation worse.

Good post and what I've been saying for ages. Both side are at fault which is what makes U.S. blind support of Israel look foolish to anyone but themselves...

 

[bluepeter]

Just a bit of editing makes the pot look like a loudmouth.

LMAO, too true

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Matt I hope you would realize how slippery of a slope you tread when you start professing relative moralism. Targeting civilians is targeting civilians is targeting civilians. Are you going to tell me that the best trained military in the world just happened to miss their shots at the supposed militants in the crowd?

I didn't say relative moralism, you did. I was only responding to a post that said "what would happen if we were doing this in Iraq?"

it's not analogous. (FYI we are doing it in Iraq, that's another thread). Sure, the Israelis are wrong when they target civilians. No argument here.


Ignorant people often say that it is the US that allows and backs these actions. An odd statement, considering it is US pressure which keeps Arafat alive, it is US pressure that keeps Israel from "solving this problem" and it is US pressure that stopped Israel from seizing Damascus AND Cairo in 1973.

Israel could crush its enemies and the US stops them.

Additionally, the US has never fought alongside Israel. We have fought for Saudi Arabia though, and for Kuwait, as well as intervening in Kosovo to protect Muslims.

If you or anyone thinks the US is one sided on the middle east issues, they're just wrong.

 

[Razorguns]

Basically as eveyrone has correctly summized:

The isreali army has the green light to pretty much kill whoever they want without any fear of retribution.

Isn't that convenient?

How the world can stand and let Isreal commit this horror unconstrained and having to answer to no one is just disgusting.

Where's the UN looking out for palestinian interests? Where's Bush and his "fight against Terror" when terrorists happen to be your OWN allies? Conflict of interest, or just CONVENIENT to look the other way?

1 MILLION suicide bombers still gives NO PERMISSION for Isreali soldiers to kill INNOCENT people. Not even one IOTA at all.

If Isreal wants Palestinians NOT to support suicide bombers -- they need to LEAD by example. Utter disregard for human rights, life and the rule of law -- just sealed the fate of that region to be blanketed with death and war for the next many many years.

 

[Lao Tzu]

Good post and what I've been saying for ages. Both side are at fault which is what makes U.S. blind support of Israel look foolish to anyone but themselves...

"blind" support for Israel? And what is the support that the Arabs and muslims feel for the palestinians? Dispassioned reasoning and even handedness? It irks me when i see muslims (not you) complain about US blind support for Israel. If the US was as blindly pro-israel as muslims are blindly pro-palestinian then the middle east would be a nuclear wasteland.

Show me how the US offers blind support for the Israelis.

 

[bluepeter]

"blind" support for Israel? And what is the support that the Arabs and muslims feel for the palestinians? Dispassioned reasoning and even handedness? It irks me when i see muslims (not you) complain about US blind support for Israel. If the US was as blindly pro-israel as muslims are blindly pro-palestinian then the middle east would be a nuclear wasteland.

Show me how the US offers blind support for the Israelis.

If you read through my posts you would see that I clearly said both sides are at fault. The Israelis and the Palestinians are at fault. U.S. blind support for Israel and blind Arab support for Palestine is wrong.

As for blind U.S. support? Constant condemnation of Palestinian terrorist acts and I can't recall if I've ever seen a condemnation of an Israeli terrorist act.....George and his predecessors aren't wrong to criticize Arafat and his merry men, I'd just like to see them criticize the other side once in a while

 

[Becoming]

I can't recall if I've ever seen a condemnation of an Israeli terrorist act.....

Stating absolutes will usually result in evidence of the contrary...

"Powell criticizes attempt to kill Hamas leader, says US has never supported targeted assassinations"

not that they don't do the opposite as well:

"U.S. declines to criticize killing of Hamas leader (this is in regards to the killing of a different hamas leader)"

 

[jestros]

Ignorant people often say that it is the US that allows and backs these actions. An odd statement, considering it is US pressure which keeps Arafat alive, it is US pressure that keeps Israel from "solving this problem" and it is US pressure that stopped Israel from seizing Damascus AND Cairo in 1973.

Israel could crush its enemies and the US stops them.

Additionally, the US has never fought alongside Israel. We have fought for Saudi Arabia though, and for Kuwait, as well as intervening in Kosovo to protect Muslims.

If you or anyone thinks the US is one sided on the middle east issues, they're just wrong.

IMHO, ignorant people think Israel is a strong nation. When the facts are, that if we didnt prop them up with money and guns, there would be no country called Israel. We give more money to them than anyother country in the WORLD!! Is it because they have some natural disaster and need relief? Are they a new country struggling to get to thier feet? No, they are Americas biggest welfare leech.
We've got enough problems over here without trying to keep thier country going. If they can't support themselves after 50+ years, too freakin bad.

 

[Lao Tzu]

If you read through my posts you would see that I clearly said both sides are at fault. The Israelis and the Palestinians are at fault. U.S. blind support for Israel and blind Arab support for Palestine is wrong.

As for blind U.S. support? Constant condemnation of Palestinian terrorist acts and I can't recall if I've ever seen a condemnation of an Israeli terrorist act.....George and his predecessors aren't wrong to criticize Arafat and his merry men, I'd just like to see them criticize the other side once in a while

As i said, i wasn't referring to you. I was referring to the Arab muslims who condemn 'blind' US support while offering truly blind support for the palestinians.

Here are a couple of endless examples of the US condemning Israel. The US also has condemned the Israeli wall and several Israeli moves on refugee camps. When is the last time the Arab world condemned the palestinians? Doesn't happen. That is blind support. The US's support is uneven but its not blind.

http://www.israelnn.com/news.php3?id=62506

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2817305.stm

 

[bluepeter]

Stating absolutes will usually result in evidence of the contrary...

"Powell criticizes attempt to kill Hamas leader, says US has never supported targeted assassinations"

not that they don't do the opposite as well:

"U.S. declines to criticize killing of Hamas leader (this is in regards to the killing of a different hamas leader)"

Oh, I'm sure there are some (or one ), wasn't saying definitively there were none. I'm just saying the lean towards one side is rather precipitous

 

[Becoming]

Oh, I'm sure there are some (or one ), wasn't saying definitively there were none. I'm just saying the lean towards one side is rather precipitous

Yeah- that one example was all I could find... I knew there was at least one though... like nordstrom added there are probably at least a few more... but yes the support is decidedly on one side... I don't like it either...

Personally I think we should cut them loose and let them sort it out...

we can't babysit them forever...

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

IMHO, ignorant people think Israel is a strong nation. When the facts are, that if we didnt prop them up with money and guns, there would be no country called Israel. We give more money to them than anyother country in the WORLD!! Is it because they have some natural disaster and need relief? Are they a new country struggling to get to thier feet? No, they are Americas biggest welfare leech.
We've got enough problems over here without trying to keep thier country going. If they can't support themselves after 50+ years, too freakin bad.

Old people are America's biggest welfare leech. It would take a few hundred years for total Israeli aid to equal the amounts we spend on Social Security and Medicare in one year. But people don't like to consider cutting Grandma off. It;s too politically viable to pull the kids out of college so grandma can have more cash.

Our aid to Israel is even shadier than you think.

There is the money paid based on the treaty that ended Israel's war with Egypt. Egypt gets the same amount.

Beyond that, there are loans and other funds which MUST be spent with US defense contractors. This is basically a defense subsidy that runs several billions per year. Defense contractors love having Israel to sell arms to.

It gets worse. Israel provides a lot to our defense industry as well; they are leaders in the fields of optics and of laser technology. SO they have relationships with our defense industry that our downright incestuous,and defense contractors lobby on Israel's behalf to give them more money, with the stipulation, of course, that the money must be spent on US defense companies.

The government is only too happy to oblige - defense is a big lobby, and the government loves the tax revenue fromits trusted business partner. It is great for politicians since it keeps the defense industry strong.

make any sense? it;s not just welfare.

 

[milo hobgoblin]

wow even the pro-Isreali people are questioning this one.. the world is gonna be PISSED.

 

[Razorguns]

This is how the world works. Gather around kids:

Tomorrow a palestinian will set off a bomb in an isreali cafe to get revenge.

THAT'LL be top news and splattered everywhere. All of a sudden, there'll be US press release condemning it, etc. etc.

And guess what -- the Isreali murder of innocent protestors just got bumped off the front page...

and..

forgotten.

And Isreal just got away with murder.

Fucking lovely and convenient isn't it?

In comparison. If after the iraqi photos were published -- we caught Bin Laden. You think we'd still be talking about the photos or even barely remembering them? No one would've raised a stink about it if it was only in the news for a few hours at best.

The marraige between politics and media in shaping how the world works is disgusting sometimes.

 

[Robert Jan]

Your points would only be valid if all humans were equal.

 

[gonelifting]

Either you misunderstood me or you think that some human life is worth more than others.

 

[Robert Jan]

I must have misunderstood you. I won't remove or edit, because Nazi pictures are cool.

 

[Code]

Somehow I thought you'd be into Nazis and the ideals from the 3rd Reich.

I must have misunderstood you. I won't remove or edit, because Nazi pictures are cool.

 

[ZKaudio]

u know that hitler orgasmed during his speaches?... read up on psych disorders... pretty insane shit.

 

[p0ink]

Pentagon says it attacked fighters -- not wedding
Witnesses say Iraqi wedding attacked near Syria
Wednesday, May 19, 2004 Posted: 9:12 PM EDT (0112 GMT)

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Pentagon officials Wednesday denied alleged eyewitness reports of a U.S. attack on a wedding party in a remote area of western Iraq that killed innocent civilians.

"Our report is that this was not a wedding party, that these were anti-coalition forces that fired first, and that U.S. troops returned fire, destroying several vehicles, and killing a number of them," a Pentagon spokesman said.

He was responding to a video distributed by The Associated Press showing Iraqi witnesses who said that at least 20 people were killed and five others critically wounded early Wednesday when planes fired on a wedding celebration.

A man on the video said all homes in the village near the Syrian border were destroyed in the attack at about 3 a.m. local time Wednesday.

The video showed at least a dozen bodies, including small children, wrapped in blankets for burial as they were unloaded from a truck.

Men with picks and shovels were digging a series of graves in the video.

A senior military coalition official said as many as 40 people were killed in the attack, but said it was his belief that the attack was against a foreign fighters' safe house.

A coalition official said in a written statement that coalition forces conducted a military operation "against a suspected foreign fighter's safe house in the open desert, 85 km southwest of Husaybah, and 25 km from the Syrian border.

"During the operation, coalition forces came under hostile fire and close air support was provided.

"Coalition forces on the ground recovered numerous weapons, 2 million Iraqi and Syrian dinar, foreign passports and a satcom radio," the statement said.

Asked if the incident was the same one described on videotape, he said, "Yes, it is the same incident."

He added, "We had actionable intelligence to go after a foreign fighters' safe house. It is not our belief that there was a wedding party in the open desert."

The taped witnesses identified the village as al Qa'im, which maps show is on the Iraqi side of the Syrian border, along the Euphrates River.

In Afghanistan two years ago, U.S. airstrikes killed dozens of civilians at a wedding party.

After an investigation, a report issued by U.S. Central Command blamed those deaths on hostile anti-aircraft fire from the ground that provoked a U.S. AC-130 gunship to respond.

Local Afghans said that U.S. forces confused "celebratory fire" from wedding participants for hostile fire, but the U.S. military found that several compounds in the area were "positively identified" as sources of anti-aircraft artillery fire.

 

[PIGEON-RAT]

I didn't say relative moralism, you did. I was only responding to a post that said "what would happen if we were doing this in Iraq?"

it's not analogous. (FYI we are doing it in Iraq, that's another thread). Sure, the Israelis are wrong when they target civilians. No argument here.


Ignorant people often say that it is the US that allows and backs these actions. An odd statement, considering it is US pressure which keeps Arafat alive, it is US pressure that keeps Israel from "solving this problem" and it is US pressure that stopped Israel from seizing Damascus AND Cairo in 1973.

Israel could crush its enemies and the US stops them.

Additionally, the US has never fought alongside Israel. We have fought for Saudi Arabia though, and for Kuwait, as well as intervening in Kosovo to protect Muslims.

If you or anyone thinks the US is one sided on the middle east issues, they're just wrong.

I must have misinterpreted your initial post if you were only drawing allusions to our activity in Iraq.

But I'm not saying it's one sided. Unless you count acting in America's self-interest as one sided, but I don't think anyone meant it that way. However, the US does not openly support any other country that continually kills innocent civilians other than Israel. You might pull out some examples, but no other nation ranks alongside Israel for repeatedly killing civilians. The Israeli army has killed loads of Palestinian civilians, and still dodged criticism from the US when the rest of the UN moved for condemnation. I don't think everyone else was misguided and we were the only ones who saw through to the truth. It just seems now that Bush & co realize that they can't keep openly supporting all that Israel does because it's hurting them in the crucial months leading to the election.

Just a bit of editing makes the pot look like a loudmouth.

Wait, are you editing this to criticize me? I never supported our action in Iraq...

 

[ChefWide]

Wait, are you editing this to criticize me? I never supported our action in Iraq...

I realize how sensitive you are, you feathery, naked tailed, liberal tree kisser, but I was not hosing you but rather how easy it is to try and point morality fingers at either the Israelis or Palestinians and forget that the finger should pointed at Washington. The U.S. is the prime cause and ongoing thorn that keeps the kettle constantly at critical mass in the MidEast.

It is our policy parade, our financial interests, our moral blindness/superiority that continues the current cycle of hate and death in the entire region. Our fault (with some help from the U.K., but mostly us) from day one in regards to Israel and currently our fault in regards to the Palestinians and Israel, lets not forget the near meltdown situation in Egypt and the just about over the brink situations in Pakistan, Turkey, Syria, etc.

We funded the governments AND most of the antigovernment forces in many of those countries. We have played both sides of the coin so many times, it's amazing we have any friends out there at all, and ALL of those only give a shit because of our money.

The day the dollar dies, we will be naked and alone on a field not of our own choosing.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

It is our policy parade, our financial interests, our moral blindness/superiority that continues the current cycle of hate and death in the entire region. Our fault (with some help from the U.K., but mostly us) from day one in regards to Israel and currently our fault in regards to the Palestinians and Israel, lets not forget the near meltdown situation in Egypt and the just about over the brink situations in Pakistan, Turkey, Syria, etc.

We funded the governments AND most of the antigovernment forces in many of those countries. We have played both sides of the coin so many times, it's amazing we have any friends out there at all, and ALL of those only give a shit because of our money.

The day the dollar dies, we will be naked and alone on a field not of our own choosing.

Should the US pursue policies that are against increasing the US's wealth?

For better or for worse, the powers that be put much of the world's oil in the hands of goat herders; a truly imperialistic US would overrun the areas and simply annex them.

While your statements are true, what is the answer?

 

[ChefWide]

Should the US pursue policies that are against increasing the US's wealth?

For better or for worse, the powers that be put much of the world's oil in the hands of goat herders; a truly imperialistic US would overrun the areas and simply annex them.

While your statements are true, what is the answer?

Hindsight on how things should have been done is my only real way to handle a question like that, as someone of greater knowledge and experience would be needed to suss out how to fix such a fuck off horrendous situation. How should it have been done? Need to go the bookstore with my son right now, will try to tackle that later, but think in terms of the average Thai house theif: when the rob you blind, they leave a freshly cooked meal and some cash in the middle of your empty room, as they may not leave you destitute.

I think the parralel should be easy to conjur in regards to the TRUE consequences of globalization and how debt is handled in most of the emerging economies of the world.