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Happyastro
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AVOID SINGLE DRUG CYCLES!!
Whatever you do PLEASE DO NOT USE SINGLE DRUG CYCLES!!!
Single drug cycles will screw you up; your receptors will adapt to it in weeks and you will have to keep increasing it to maintain ANY effect.
The safest and most effective way is to shotgun your drug cycle, mixing different steriods into the cycle (but the same amount) to slow adaption.
Example of a crap cycle:
W1 Lonavar 20mg
W2 Lonavar 15mg
W3 Lonavar 10mg 1ml Deca
W4 No orals 1ml Deca
This cycle is too mild and the lack of androgenics will mean even a LOSS in size.
Recommend starting
W1 Lonavar 35mg/day, Sustanon 1000mg/week
W2 Lonavar 35mg/'' '', Sustanon 750mg/week
W3 Lonavar 17.5mg/day , Sustanon 500mg/week
W4 Lonavar 17.5mg/day , Deca 200 mg/week
W5 No orals, Deca 200mg/week
W6 No orals, Deca 200mg/week
W7 No orals, Deca 150mg/week
W8 No orals, Testoviron 200mg/week
W9 No orals, Testoviron 150mg/week
W10 No orals, Testoviron 100mg/week
This is a fairly mild cycle. The Testoviron at the end of the cycle boost testes and will increase natural testosterone production.
You need it to "withdrawl" cycle without loss.
Great cycle but kind of expensive BUT will get results:
W1 1 Proviron, 3 Primbolan, 1ml Deca, 1ml Sustanon, 1ml Boldenone
W2 1 Proviron, 3 Primbolan, 1ml Deca, 1ml Sustanon, 1ml Boldenone
W3 1 Proviron, 3 Primbolan, 1.5ml Deca, 1ml Sustanon, 1ml Boldenone
W4 1 Proviron, 3 Primbolan, 1.5ml Deca, 1ml Sustanon, 1.5ml Boldenone
W5 1 Proviron, 3 Primbolan, 2ml Deca, 2 Sustanon, 1.5ml Boldenone
W6 1.5 Proviron, 4 Primbolan, 2ml Deca, 2ml Sustanon, 1.5ml Boldenone
W7 1.5 Proviron, 4 Primbolan, 2ml Deca, 2ml Sustanon, 2ml Boldenone
W8 2 Proviron, 4 Primbolan, 2ml Deca, 2ml Sustanon, 2ml Boldenone
W9 2 Proviron, 4 Primbolan, 2ml Deca, 2ml Sustanon, 2ml Boldenone
W10 2 Proviron, 4 Primbolan, 2ml Deca, 2ml Sustanon, 2ml Boldenone.
Since Boldenone is a veterinary drug, if you find it hard to get substitute it with Testoviron.
Again Testoviron is great for your teste as it will encourage natural test production and will limit the "withdrawl" loss.
Deca is a MUST as it helps with joint pains from training and water retention and you WILL get alot of retention with this stack.
As for training:
It is not about taking steroids and expecting gains; steroids increase your recovery so if you do not MASSIVELY increase your training output AND your calorie intake you could even loss size.
Since it increases RNA protein activity your body will break down your muscle faster.Steroid users have to train and eat more than anyone else. Eat and train ALOT and you will see it coming ASAP.
Whatever you do PLEASE DO NOT USE SINGLE DRUG CYCLES!!!
Single drug cycles will screw you up; your receptors will adapt to it in weeks and you will have to keep increasing it to maintain ANY effect.
The safest and most effective way is to shotgun your drug cycle, mixing different steriods into the cycle (but the same amount) to slow adaption.
Example of a crap cycle:
W1 Lonavar 20mg
W2 Lonavar 15mg
W3 Lonavar 10mg 1ml Deca
W4 No orals 1ml Deca
This cycle is too mild and the lack of androgenics will mean even a LOSS in size.
Recommend starting
W1 Lonavar 35mg/day, Sustanon 1000mg/week
W2 Lonavar 35mg/'' '', Sustanon 750mg/week
W3 Lonavar 17.5mg/day , Sustanon 500mg/week
W4 Lonavar 17.5mg/day , Deca 200 mg/week
W5 No orals, Deca 200mg/week
W6 No orals, Deca 200mg/week
W7 No orals, Deca 150mg/week
W8 No orals, Testoviron 200mg/week
W9 No orals, Testoviron 150mg/week
W10 No orals, Testoviron 100mg/week
This is a fairly mild cycle. The Testoviron at the end of the cycle boost testes and will increase natural testosterone production.
You need it to "withdrawl" cycle without loss.
Great cycle but kind of expensive BUT will get results:
W1 1 Proviron, 3 Primbolan, 1ml Deca, 1ml Sustanon, 1ml Boldenone
W2 1 Proviron, 3 Primbolan, 1ml Deca, 1ml Sustanon, 1ml Boldenone
W3 1 Proviron, 3 Primbolan, 1.5ml Deca, 1ml Sustanon, 1ml Boldenone
W4 1 Proviron, 3 Primbolan, 1.5ml Deca, 1ml Sustanon, 1.5ml Boldenone
W5 1 Proviron, 3 Primbolan, 2ml Deca, 2 Sustanon, 1.5ml Boldenone
W6 1.5 Proviron, 4 Primbolan, 2ml Deca, 2ml Sustanon, 1.5ml Boldenone
W7 1.5 Proviron, 4 Primbolan, 2ml Deca, 2ml Sustanon, 2ml Boldenone
W8 2 Proviron, 4 Primbolan, 2ml Deca, 2ml Sustanon, 2ml Boldenone
W9 2 Proviron, 4 Primbolan, 2ml Deca, 2ml Sustanon, 2ml Boldenone
W10 2 Proviron, 4 Primbolan, 2ml Deca, 2ml Sustanon, 2ml Boldenone.
Since Boldenone is a veterinary drug, if you find it hard to get substitute it with Testoviron.
Again Testoviron is great for your teste as it will encourage natural test production and will limit the "withdrawl" loss.
Deca is a MUST as it helps with joint pains from training and water retention and you WILL get alot of retention with this stack.
As for training:
It is not about taking steroids and expecting gains; steroids increase your recovery so if you do not MASSIVELY increase your training output AND your calorie intake you could even loss size.
Since it increases RNA protein activity your body will break down your muscle faster.Steroid users have to train and eat more than anyone else. Eat and train ALOT and you will see it coming ASAP.
SuKY_GeNeTiCs
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Happyastro
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Taking sus alone?
Taking Sus alone is stupid; your body will adapt to it too soon.
Try shotgunning with other drugs up to 10; it is ALOT safer and your receptors will have a hard time adapting to the drugs= longer cycle bigger gains.
Increase your workout load too and your calorie intake, as you will get smaller and shrink if you are not careful due to the increased protein use.
Taking Sus alone is stupid; your body will adapt to it too soon.
Try shotgunning with other drugs up to 10; it is ALOT safer and your receptors will have a hard time adapting to the drugs= longer cycle bigger gains.
Increase your workout load too and your calorie intake, as you will get smaller and shrink if you are not careful due to the increased protein use.
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Re: AVOID SINGLE DRUG CYCLES!!
You my friend, are a moron. Single drug cycles do not work??!!
Okie.
Safest and most effective way is to shotgun? Okie again shotgunning is not needed.
You have to MASSIVELY increase your training output??! Again depends on genetics and how much juice you are taking. Just taking steroids and saying you have to massively increase your training output might set up most people for disaster, and you can still gain doing your same routine I don't know where you got you will lose. Break down your muscles faster?? Hmmmm umm steroids have an anti-catabolic effect.
Deca is a must ehhh?? Hmmmm deca is good for joints yes but a MUST??! Helps with joint pains from water retension ehhh?? HAHAHAHA! So the water retension causes joint pains... hmmm. Bro that's one of the reasons it's good. Due to it's lubricating effects on the joints from the fluid retension.
Sorry to be so harsh on you but you are the reasons so many people feel the need to do so many drugs off the bat just to get anything.
Happyastro said:
You my friend, are a moron. Single drug cycles do not work??!!
Okie. Safest and most effective way is to shotgun?
Okie again shotgunning is not needed.You have to MASSIVELY increase your training output??!
Again depends on genetics and how much juice you are taking. Just taking steroids and saying you have to massively increase your training output might set up most people for disaster, and you can still gain doing your same routine I don't know where you got you will lose. Break down your muscles faster?? Hmmmm umm steroids have an anti-catabolic effect. Deca is a must ehhh?? Hmmmm deca is good for joints yes but a MUST??! Helps with joint pains from water retension ehhh?? HAHAHAHA! So the water retension causes joint pains... hmmm. Bro that's one of the reasons it's good. Due to it's lubricating effects on the joints from the fluid retension.
Sorry to be so harsh on you but you are the reasons so many people feel the need to do so many drugs off the bat just to get anything.
f4209211 said:
btw - Give it time. It's not magic bro. So many people expect too much. They think just because they juice they're gonna be huge and ripped overnight. So many factors go into it. Genetics for one. How your genetics handles the drugs another. Are you taking enough for your body because some need more than others. But usually it's lack of proper training(either insufficient amounts or too much or not focusing on the right exercises or techniques) not enough eating and/or enough quality calories, and enough rest.
Re: Re: AVOID SINGLE DRUG CYCLES!!
You beat me to it Mike, this is the second one of his posts on shotgunning I have come across in the past 5 minutes...
Mike P.T. said:
You my friend, are a moron. Single drug cycles do not work??!!
Safest and most effective way is to shotgun?
You have to MASSIVELY increase your training output??!
Deca is a must ehhh?? Hmmmm deca is good for joints yes but a MUST??! Helps with joint pains from water retension ehhh?? HAHAHAHA! So the water retension causes joint pains... hmmm. Bro that's one of the reasons it's good. Due to it's lubricating effects on the joints from the fluid retension.
Sorry to be so harsh on you but you are the reasons so many people feel the need to do so many drugs off the bat just to get anything.
You beat me to it Mike, this is the second one of his posts on shotgunning I have come across in the past 5 minutes...
Happyastro
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HMM
The reason WHY muscle can be broke down faster when taking steroids is this:
Increase RNA transcription (protein use)
Since it uses protein at a larger rate to BUILD muscles, if you do not eat enough, it will BREAK DOWN your own muscles to satisfy its need.
Increased water retention means increased lifts; there is a problem your nerves do not adjust as quickly to the strength boost and that means injuries.
Have you tried bending over when on a heavy session?
Deca helps with the pain caused on the nerves.
Yes you will lose size if you do not increase workload and diet.
Steroids do not make muscles it increases recovery by increasing rate of use of RNA and glycogen storage; if you do not train and eat enough YOU MIGHT AS WELL BE NATURAL.
As for shotgunning it works lol all my training partners get great results, and we do not have to keep increasing our dose constantly.
Single steroid use are for the OLD days; lol when people took 3-4 Anapolon per day and nothing else (Great career move)
Modern steroid users know that shotguning is the way to go 8)
LOL how can you be harsh on me; when my training buddies all have great results *)
The reason WHY muscle can be broke down faster when taking steroids is this:
Increase RNA transcription (protein use)
Since it uses protein at a larger rate to BUILD muscles, if you do not eat enough, it will BREAK DOWN your own muscles to satisfy its need.
Increased water retention means increased lifts; there is a problem your nerves do not adjust as quickly to the strength boost and that means injuries.
Have you tried bending over when on a heavy session?
Deca helps with the pain caused on the nerves.
Yes you will lose size if you do not increase workload and diet.
Steroids do not make muscles it increases recovery by increasing rate of use of RNA and glycogen storage; if you do not train and eat enough YOU MIGHT AS WELL BE NATURAL.
As for shotgunning it works lol all my training partners get great results, and we do not have to keep increasing our dose constantly.
Single steroid use are for the OLD days; lol when people took 3-4 Anapolon per day and nothing else (Great career move)
Modern steroid users know that shotguning is the way to go 8)
LOL how can you be harsh on me; when my training buddies all have great results *)
Dude, happystroke or whatever your name is your an idiot, your not even worth my time. f4209211, stick with it bro, the gains will come. Week three is too early to be questioning. In the next two weeks you should start gaining some weight and getting some strength. The only real fast acting ester in sus is the prop, and your only getting 60mg a week which is basically doing nothing. Give it some time any try to keep your mind straight, keep training hard and eating right. If you start playing mind games with yourself and thinking you should look like Mr. O by now you'll trick yourself into shooting 2grams a week for your next cycle. Keep in mind that most of the people that look that good have been in the game and working at this for many years. Just stick with it, good luck brother.
Happyastro
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Whatever.
Whatever I only put my own opinion forward and things that WORK for me and my training partners.
Insult me just because my ideas differ is YOUR own problem not mine.
So stick it where the sun does not shine *)
Whatever I only put my own opinion forward and things that WORK for me and my training partners.
Insult me just because my ideas differ is YOUR own problem not mine.
So stick it where the sun does not shine *)
Don't worry bro,
the gains are coming.
One steroid doesn't work huh???
Well, my first cycle was 250mg/sos per week for 8 weeks and i put on about 20ish lbs and kept about 14-15 (if i remember correctly)
F4:
Please keep up the hard work. If your shit is real you WILL grow off of 500mg/week of sos.
Keep eating
the gains are coming.
One steroid doesn't work huh???
Well, my first cycle was 250mg/sos per week for 8 weeks and i put on about 20ish lbs and kept about 14-15 (if i remember correctly)
F4:
Please keep up the hard work. If your shit is real you WILL grow off of 500mg/week of sos.
Keep eating
Happyastro
New member
LOL
Flame on what you want; if you disagree great, the world is not going to end.
Just do no waste time with the insults hehe please keep in topic; if you disagree please offer a better alternative.
This is a board for steroid discussion NOT for random flames.
Flame on what you want; if you disagree great, the world is not going to end.
Just do no waste time with the insults hehe please keep in topic; if you disagree please offer a better alternative.
This is a board for steroid discussion NOT for random flames.
i have put on 30lbs in a month with my sus only cycle @500mg...strength is going through the fucking roof. took deca alone for 10 weeks for my first cycle--gained 25 pounds. damn single drug cycles. I dont think that newbies should be shooting themselves 10 times a week and taking 4 different types of gear. what the fuck are they going to run for their 2nd, 3rd, 4th cycles???
Silent Method
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Re: HMM
Dude, RNA transcription is not protein use. RNA transcription is the process of synthesizing mRNA from DNA. A little further down the line you'll run into protein synthesis. Keep going further and you'll hit protein use.
You sound like someone who read a couple articles and had a couple of conversations with some users who read a couple articles.
For f4209211, wait a couple more weeks. You'll feel the effects. Your cycle is fine.
Happyastro said:
Dude, RNA transcription is not protein use. RNA transcription is the process of synthesizing mRNA from DNA. A little further down the line you'll run into protein synthesis. Keep going further and you'll hit protein use. Let me get this straight. You're worried about breaking down muscles in order to build muscles? Well, yes, if you don't consume the proper building blocks your not going to grow. So wouldn't diet be your real point here? BTW, you ever consider the effects of massive nitrogen retention with steroids?Happyastro said:
You sound like someone who read a couple articles and had a couple of conversations with some users who read a couple articles.
For f4209211, wait a couple more weeks. You'll feel the effects. Your cycle is fine.
