when to start pct

[chaos13]

my friend is just finshing a cycle and is when he should start his pct with sustain alpha.

Here’s what he was doing:
Deca durabolin- ¾ mL for 3 weeks then 1 mL for 4 weeks with injections every 4-5 days
Sustanon 250- ¾ mL for 3 weeks then 1 mL for 4 weeks with injections every 4-5 days
Last shot of deca and sust was March 7th. When should he start pct with the Sustain Alpha?

he also has enough for 1 more injection if he is suppose to start pct right after last injection.


thx guys

 

[centy]

He should continue to run the testosterone for a couple of weeks after ending the deca.

PCT would begin 10-14 days or so after the last test shot. And it should probably consist of a little more than just sustain alpha.

 

[Ezekiel]

my friend is just finshing a cycle and is when he should start his pct with sustain alpha.

Here’s what he was doing:
Deca durabolin- ¾ mL for 3 weeks then 1 mL for 4 weeks with injections every 4-5 days
Sustanon 250- ¾ mL for 3 weeks then 1 mL for 4 weeks with injections every 4-5 days
Last shot of deca and sust was March 7th. When should he start pct with the Sustain Alpha?

he also has enough for 1 more injection if he is suppose to start pct right after last injection.


thx guys

two weeks after last shot..


Do your "friend" a favour and read the PCT stickies bro..


Blessings,

 

[chaos13]

i just didn't see anything in the pct sticky for this particular situtation. i relayed your guys responds and this what he said
"i cant get my hands on any testosterone right now and if theres anyhign else i can take that will help..like maybe a bigger pct with sustain and nolva"


any help would be appreciated

 

[sweed]

1 week after the last injection.

 

[Primordial Performance]

my friend is just finshing a cycle and is when he should start his pct with sustain alpha.

Here’s what he was doing:
Deca durabolin- ¾ mL for 3 weeks then 1 mL for 4 weeks with injections every 4-5 days
Sustanon 250- ¾ mL for 3 weeks then 1 mL for 4 weeks with injections every 4-5 days
Last shot of deca and sust was March 7th. When should he start pct with the Sustain Alpha?

he also has enough for 1 more injection if he is suppose to start pct right after last injection.


thx guys

If you haven’t seen this thread already, check it out -
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/official-pct-2009-a-642825.html

There is no point to start PCT until 5 weeks after his last shot, since they will be circulating his system for another 5-6 weeks.

It would do him well to try and keep AAS blood levels high during this last five weeks, maybe with an oral or topical. That way, he can still continue to make progress and gains as these long esters slowely clear his system.

Did he run hCG for the cycle? If not, he needs to run it ASAP.

-Eric

 

[Ezekiel]

If you haven’t seen this thread already, check it out -
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/official-pct-2009-a-642825.html

There is no point to start PCT until 5 weeks after his last shot, since they will be circulating his system for another 5-6 weeks.

It would do him well to try and keep AAS blood levels high during this last five weeks, maybe with an oral or topical. That way, he can still continue to make progress and gains as these long esters slowely clear his system.

Did he run hCG for the cycle? If not, he needs to run it ASAP.

-Eric

Eric to the rescue!!

Finally one of us that knows whats going on... lol


Eric, w/ stuff like test and deca you still think waiting until 5 wks after last shot is ideal? Then maybe TRS stack and clomid or nolv?

 

[Nelson Montana]

If you haven’t seen this thread already, check it out -
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/official-pct-2009-a-642825.html

There is no point to start PCT until 5 weeks after his last shot, since they will be circulating his system for another 5-6 weeks.

It would do him well to try and keep AAS blood levels high during this last five weeks, maybe with an oral or topical. That way, he can still continue to make progress and gains as these long esters slowely clear his system.

Did he run hCG for the cycle? If not, he needs to run it ASAP.

-Eric

Sorry, but I must disagree with this. I believe PCT should start before the body is in too much of a hormonal deficit. After 6 weeks it will take too long to get it back and you can lose most of your gains in that time.

I do agree with starting with some HCG. (Or HMG)

Also, there is absolutely no difference between having a long acting ester fading and a current low dose oral continuing. The body perceives it as the same thing. As the dose is dropping, begin the process of getting the HPTA working on its own. Then begin the supplemention (UNLEASHED, POST CYCLE, a- dex and Alpha Sustain always seem to work) and continue that for one month , at which point you can drop the a-dex. Then continue the supps for another 6-8 weeks afterward. Safe landing.

 

[DMaxiMus]

Nelson I've been following a couple of your posts. Can you explain the pro's of running adex in pct? does it help restore natty test levels? I was under the assumption is was mainly a strong aratase inhibitor.

 

[Primordial Performance]

Eric to the rescue!!

Finally one of us that knows whats going on... lol


Eric, w/ stuff like test and deca you still think waiting until 5 wks after last shot is ideal? Then maybe TRS stack and clomid or nolv?

It’s the Deca that’s taking so long to clear the system. The lipophilic ester has a tendency to disassociate and re associate with the nandrolone very easy, while also storing in fatty tissue and taking fu*king forever to get out of the body. Deca can literally linger in the system for 12 months in some individuals because of its lipophilic nature.

The longer acting esters in Sustanon can linger for a good 6-8 weeks, but the metabolites from test are far less suppressive than the nandrolone metabolites.

So, get on the hCG now (3 shots of 1000iu/week), and start the 20mg/day Nolva with the TRS about 5 weeks after the last Deca shot.

-Eric

 

[Primordial Performance]

Sorry, but I must disagree with this. I believe PCT should start before the body is in too much of a hormonal deficit. After 6 weeks it will take too long to get it back and you can lose most of your gains in that time.

I do agree with starting with some HCG. (Or HMG)

Also, there is absolutely no difference between having a long acting ester fading and a current low dose oral continuing. The body perceives it as the same thing. As the dose is dropping, begin the process of getting the HPTA working on its own. Then begin the supplemention (UNLEASHED, POST CYCLE, a- dex and Alpha Sustain always seem to work) and continue that for one month , at which point you can drop the a-dex. Then continue the supps for another 6-8 weeks afterward. Safe landing.

This is exactly why I’m suggesting he start the hCG now, to prime the testes for recovery.

It would be a waste of time to start “PCT” any sooner than 5 weeks after his last Deca shot though. As long as nandrolone metabolites are present (even a small amount) it will inhibit his recovery 100%. (Remember the contraceptive studies with low doses of Deca? It doesn’t take much at all to suppress the HPTA 99-100% for most men)

Since he will be suppressed for 5-6 weeks after his last Deca shot, he might aswell continue to keep his AAS levels elevated to continue making gains. Because as long as the Deca is lingering in his system, he won’t be able to release LH & FSH and get his HPTA functioning. (Aside from administering hCG which can at least begin recovering his testes)

IMO, a low dose of AAS is just as suppressive as a high dose of AAS. The only difference is that you won’t be building muscle on the low dose, so keep the blood levels high till the last day of the cycle, and drop them fast when you are ready for PCT.

-Eric

 

[Ezekiel]

This is exactly why I’m suggesting he start the hCG now, to prime the testes for recovery.

It would be a waste of time to start “PCT” any sooner than 5 weeks after his last Deca shot though. As long as nandrolone metabolites are present (even a small amount) it will inhibit his recovery 100%. (Remember the contraceptive studies with low doses of Deca? It doesn’t take much at all to suppress the HPTA 99-100% for most men)

Since he will be suppressed for 5-6 weeks after his last Deca shot, he might aswell continue to keep his AAS levels elevated to continue making gains. Because as long as the Deca is lingering in his system, he won’t be able to release LH & FSH and get his HPTA functioning. (Aside from administering hCG which can at least begin recovering his testes)

IMO, a low dose of AAS is just as suppressive as a high dose of AAS. The only difference is that you won’t be building muscle on the low dose, so keep the blood levels high till the last day of the cycle, and drop them fast when you are ready for PCT.

-Eric

Speaking for myself, I'm in the middle of my cycle.. so not ready for PCT yet

Also, I have been taking 500ui of HCGa wk since wk 3..

Cheers, and thx for your response..