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When to Start Novadex
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If you haven't experienced any signs of gyno, don't bother with the nolva.
Powerbuilder333
Timeout? No, timeouts are for Plats
You shouldn't need PCT for such a short cycle, IMO.
nzrodney
Banned
None of you ^^^ have asked what he was using, which I know from another thread to be Prop 300mg, Var 40mg, Primo 400mg. Yes PCT may not be recuired for such a short cycle but to be sure it should have started based on Prop being active 1-2 days , from Monday. IMO the Var & Primo do not come into the equation because they dont aromitize anyway.
Mavafanculo
New member
you probably will be supressed based on the cycle nz listed above
and as he said, it should have started already based on the compounds you used
if you see significant shrinkage of ur nads, hcg can be used to plump them up and prep them to act on LH
dont know dose or effectiveness of "novadex" -- classic PCT is nolva/clomid to normalize hpta function
some sponsors here have herbal alternatives which get good reviews
and as he said, it should have started already based on the compounds you used
if you see significant shrinkage of ur nads, hcg can be used to plump them up and prep them to act on LH
dont know dose or effectiveness of "novadex" -- classic PCT is nolva/clomid to normalize hpta function
some sponsors here have herbal alternatives which get good reviews
dasher said:
You always need PCT even for a short cycle. Not sure what it would look like, since your cycle is THAT short. I'd recommend just some clomid for 1 week, 10 days after the last shot. Unless you feel that you are getting gyno, then you should forget about the nolva.
Another case of a lot of misunderstanding. Clomid can be a disaster ESPECIALLY on a cycle with no aromatizing compounds, since it will INCREASE estrogen. In other words, lots of people do stuff that they think is best and it's very hit or miss. They don't know what is really working, not working or actually working against them. Someone can use Clomid and it'll DELAY recovery and they'll just think it took longer for the clomid to work. See what I mean?
It's my opinion that in another 5 years SERMS will be a thing of the past. Then again, I've been accused of wacky predictions before. Then again, I've been right.
Then again, some people will think ZMA does something.
My advice is what I always advice and what always works with whomever does it.
500 i.u's of HCG for 3 days.
UNLEASHED
POST CYCLE
They were designed for this purpose. They work.
And even though it's not my product, I think Sustain can help.
If you used Primo and var and just a little prop, you shouldn;t even need any adex or aromasin.
It's my opinion that in another 5 years SERMS will be a thing of the past. Then again, I've been accused of wacky predictions before. Then again, I've been right.
Then again, some people will think ZMA does something.
My advice is what I always advice and what always works with whomever does it.
500 i.u's of HCG for 3 days.
UNLEASHED
POST CYCLE
They were designed for this purpose. They work.
And even though it's not my product, I think Sustain can help.
If you used Primo and var and just a little prop, you shouldn;t even need any adex or aromasin.
Mavafanculo
New member
Nelson, re Clomid, are you presenting the above as your opinion, or as scientific fact that you can support with authoritative sources?
either is fine, just please clarify so readers will know how to evaluate your post.
either is fine, just please clarify so readers will know how to evaluate your post.
Mavafanculo said:
Not sure what you're asking. If you're asking if I just pulled an opinion out of my ass -- no. If you're asking this is something that someone else published and I'm repeating -- no. It's based on the principles of what these compounds do.
Theories and concepts are changed all the time and procedures are discredited, re-evaluated and restudied. It is not a scientific fact that clomid does what a lot of people think it does. It isn't even designed for men.
90% of this stuff is guesswork based on empirical evidence. The gurus of the 90's have been wrong about so many things. What makes people believe the gurus of the 2000's are so much more aware? All we can do is use logic and make the best choice possible. And that's what I do.
Good Point Nelson.Nelson Montana said:
I do not have clomid anyway..just nova and hcg and sustain and that toca stuff....I didnt know about unleashed till recently but im assuming what i have will work...HCG FOR 3 DAYS 500IU PER DAY and Nova for 2 weeks ....just to decrease estrogen....yes ? no?
dasher said:
Well...no. I just said it's an outdated drug. I'm not a fan of nolvadex. People do not realize it's an estrogen which blocks excess estrogen )at the breast site). This makes it great for combating gyno and not much else. Being an estrogen, if your e isn't too high, it'll make it higher and kill your dick faster than getting it stepped on. There's some sketchy evidence that Nolva increases T but I never found it very convincing. Adex and aromasan will increase T slightly so they are much better choices since they stop the aromatizing process before it starts as opposed to taking up estrogen receptors. That's just a very chancy way of preventing e overload and it often backfires.
WOW thats news to me. I was told by my source that it lowers Estrogen and fights water and he takes like 8 mg a day before a show to dry out, Now im confused cause i took my first 20mg of nova today for my pct. So should I just skip pct. just use Suatain and maybe 3 days of HCGNelson Montana said:
nzrodney
Banned
Stay with that 20mg Ed for 3 weeks & maybe bang in the Hcg for 3 days @500iu Ed. Nolvadex acts on the estrogen receptor & its does act as an estrogen in some tissues and an anti-estrogen in other tissues. The ERs binding domain is a number of amino acid sequences folded into a series of helixes. When Nolva (Tamoxifen) binds to the ER it can change the shape of the helix that it folds in such a way to prevent proper binding of estrogen. It can also increase serum test levels & also alter blood lipid profiles. SERMs have been the standing order for PCT for some years but are now being gradually replaced by AI's like Aromisan & Arimidex which actually inhibit the bodies production of estrogen.
