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When going natural, are you disappointed?
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Silvertide
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Gear is pretty much unnecessary unless you are striving to be a competitive professional athlete, strongman, powerlifter, or bodybuilder. For normal people, there's just no need. It's not like women find overly massive individuals attractive anyway.
Personally, all I need are food, rest, and iron. Healthier that way too.
Personally, all I need are food, rest, and iron. Healthier that way too.
Guinness5.0
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Pretty soon I'll be stronger in all my lifts than the last time I was on, so I feel no disappointment whatsoever. It's amazing what you can do naturally when you do it right.
Guinness5.0 said:
That's the crux of it. People jump on juice primarily because they are dissatisfied with their gains. If you want to stop the drug use from proliferating, put good training info out there (rather than send the message that all Pro Baseball players use juice or some such and you can't compete without it - way to go Congress). It's a lot easier for kids and people in general to resist the temptation if they are making solid consistent progress. Most have very reasonable goals. They might not be moving at warp speed but consistent good progression empowers them and makes them confident in their ability to achieve their goals. That doesn't mean no one will use, but there will be a lot fewer 150lbs kids who can't squat 185 to parallel on the anabolic board.
blut wump
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I think a lot of the attraction of juice is seeing people stronger than oneself and knowing that you could accelerate your development by a year or more by using. It's at that stage that I stop myself and think that in a year's time I'll be a year's-worth stronger and bigger anyway.
I can only extrapolate from my own use of creatine and limited use of prohormones but the thought of having that extra recovery ability and extra sense of wellbeing is also very atttractive. Is it worth coming back down, though?
I can only extrapolate from my own use of creatine and limited use of prohormones but the thought of having that extra recovery ability and extra sense of wellbeing is also very atttractive. Is it worth coming back down, though?
bas4lizzife
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I enjoy training naturally. Dont get me wrong, its fun as hell to get stronger every single week when "on" but theres another element when im clean, thats just not there when on the juice. Its like my training has to be that much more meticulous and well-planned out, and it really feels good when I make gains and see my efforts and planning pay off while clean. And its rewarding to hit new PRs and goals before getting back on a cycle.
I still haven't done my first cycle but will say that being natural and busting your ass daily , seldomly seeing results then seeing someone on blow up within months is enough to make anyone depressed. When going naturally you will have to accumulate much more fat to see the gains you want muscle wise. (this has been my experience as my diets have always been ultra clean). On aas the majority of people I see do it with the right training and diets whether their diets are shit(wendys) or not always gain good size and little to no fat, matter of fact most end up losing fat.
Silvertide
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Neo22 said:
Well I guess it's that much more of an accomplishment to be natural then. It's really not incredibly difficult to get up to around 200 and 10% bodyfat over the course of 3 years or so, regardless of genetics, given the right training and diet.
Go ahead and ruin your kidneys and liver, lose your hair, and shrink your balls all for a little more muscle that you could have gained naturally. I would say the vast majority of gear users are NOWHERE near their genetic potential, so don't even try to bring that argument up.
Dieselgoku23
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I have trained natural pretty much all my life till last jan when I did my first cycle, before I even started to juice I was already way over 200lbs, actually 234lbs to be exact and benching 365lbs one rep max I personally think you need a good base before you even think about juicing!!. If you are 150lbs dont bother about using It cracks me up when I see an ripped skinny guy in the gym maybe about 180lbs soaked and wet talking about how much shit he is using etc...... and cant even put up 275lbs lol. Training naturally correctly can get you there once you reach a plateu I suggest you can start to cycle! you should have at least 5 years of training under your belt and decent size before you even beggin to juice also make sure you have blood test before and after the cycle and you over 22 at least just my .02 cents
