Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below
napsgear
genezapharmateuticals
domestic-supply
puritysourcelabs
UGL OZ
UGFREAK
napsgeargenezapharmateuticals domestic-supplypuritysourcelabsUGL OZUGFREAK

When Did We Suddenly All Go Insane?

2Thick

Elite Mentor
Platinum
EF Logger
Someone comes up with the idea of impeaching a democratically elected president for lying about sex (something most people in the country do), and the Congress goes ahead and does it.

We have millions upon millions of people uninsured in this country, but when someone comes up with a real solution to this problem, some scaremonger screams that we would become like Canada (a country that doesn't have our health care crisis), and the plan is nixed.

A right-wing propaganda mill that finds every foolish Republican idea worthy of support declares itself news and fair and balanced, and people believe it.

A dimwitted frat boy with the skimpiest of resumes runs for president, and he wins the nomination of one of our two major parties.

The Supreme Court decides that counting votes in an election would pose too great of a hardship on the candidate that lost, and so it hands the election to the loser. Then the people who actually expected to have the votes counted are told to move on and shut up about it.

The Congress is asked to give up its constitutional powers by giving a deranged and out of control executive branch the right to wage war, and the Congress complies.

The very week that a report is issued saying that the gap between rich and poor is growing and that a million more people have joined the ranks of the poor in two short years, the president announces yet another plan to give more money to rich people because the poor are always ganging up on them, and this idea, like all the previous soak the poor ideas, is taken seriously.

Our country is viciously attacked by 19 men wielding box cutters and taking over airliners, and the government decides to take away my civil rights, none of which were used in the attack. If I or anyone complains about this and defends the Constitution, we're called unpatriotic and told to go wave a flag and cheer the unelected president.

The administration, against the wishes of the UN, decides to reinvade a third world country that has virtually no infrastructure, no way to defend itself from our massive military machine, less of a connection to Al-Qaeda than the U.S. government itself, and no declared intention to attack its neighbors or the U.S., and our media and representatives decide that this is a good idea and anyone who disagrees is un-American.

All of this is insane, absurd, and farcical.

So, my question is, when did we go collectively insane? When did we reach the breaking point where we became so accustomed to psychosis in our political life as a nation that we no longer even saw the sheer lunacy of what was being proposed?

from daily dirt.com
 
2Thick said:
Our country is viciously attacked by 19 men wielding box cutters and taking over airliners, and the government decides to take away my civil rights, none of which were used in the attack. If I or anyone complains about this and defends the Constitution, we're called unpatriotic and told to go wave a flag and cheer the unelected president.
 
I've been studying major hollywood movies made from 1950 to the present. They are almost soley to blame.

Almost all of them promote various types of dysfunctionalism.

I would add TV to this study but the junk turns my stomach.
 
2Thick said:
Someone comes up with the idea of impeaching a democratically elected president for lying about sex (something most people in the country do), and the Congress goes ahead and does it.

We have millions upon millions of people uninsured in this country, but when someone comes up with a real solution to this problem, some scaremonger screams that we would become like Canada (a country that doesn't have our health care crisis), and the plan is nixed.

A right-wing propaganda mill that finds every foolish Republican idea worthy of support declares itself news and fair and balanced, and people believe it.

A dimwitted frat boy with the skimpiest of resumes runs for president, and he wins the nomination of one of our two major parties.

The Supreme Court decides that counting votes in an election would pose too great of a hardship on the candidate that lost, and so it hands the election to the loser. Then the people who actually expected to have the votes counted are told to move on and shut up about it.

The Congress is asked to give up its constitutional powers by giving a deranged and out of control executive branch the right to wage war, and the Congress complies.

The very week that a report is issued saying that the gap between rich and poor is growing and that a million more people have joined the ranks of the poor in two short years, the president announces yet another plan to give more money to rich people because the poor are always ganging up on them, and this idea, like all the previous soak the poor ideas, is taken seriously.

Our country is viciously attacked by 19 men wielding box cutters and taking over airliners, and the government decides to take away my civil rights, none of which were used in the attack. If I or anyone complains about this and defends the Constitution, we're called unpatriotic and told to go wave a flag and cheer the unelected president.

The administration, against the wishes of the UN, decides to reinvade a third world country that has virtually no infrastructure, no way to defend itself from our massive military machine, less of a connection to Al-Qaeda than the U.S. government itself, and no declared intention to attack its neighbors or the U.S., and our media and representatives decide that this is a good idea and anyone who disagrees is un-American.

All of this is insane, absurd, and farcical.

So, my question is, when did we go collectively insane? When did we reach the breaking point where we became so accustomed to psychosis in our political life as a nation that we no longer even saw the sheer lunacy of what was being proposed?

from daily dirt.com


All of this is a part of a bigger plan, except for slick willy - at that time it was strictly politics.
 
1. he was impeached for repeatedly lying under oath, which is a crime. he should have been impeached for various other things, such as taking illegal campaign contributions from communist china.

2. yeah, i forgot how great the canadian health care system is. how many us citizens go to canada for medical assistance versus the number of canadians who come here? how long does it take to get a MRI there? 6 months, right?

3. you think the media has a conservative bias? haha. have you not read the new york times? have you not watched cnn, abc, cbs, msnbc? even the AP and Reuters reports opinions as news.

4. he sure is dim-witted. just look at how the democrats have been succeeding non-stop since he took office. look at how they won big in the past election. for being a 'dim-witted frat boy' he sure got a lot of his agenda pushed through. shit, even the democrats are proposing tax cuts now. when is the last time that happened? during JFK.

5.3 recounts wasnt enough for you? did you think gore would have won, even though he lost all of the other counts? the only reason the supreme court stepped in was because these rogue courts in florida were trying to push their own agenda, disregard the law, and only do selective recounts. they never 'gave' bush the presidency; they just told florida it was time for the non-sense to stop. EVERY article that came out months later still confirmed Bush would have won.

6. congress gave the president authority to declare war on any country knowingly supporting and/or harboring terrorists by signing the september 12th joint resolution.

7. everyone gets the same percentage in the tax cut. it's because rich people pay more taxes, they get more back. 50% of america pays 97% of the taxes, while the other 50% of the population pays 3%. how is that fair?

8. what civil rights were taken away from you? tell me specifically which rights you have lost.

9. the argument this guy has with iraq is absurd. even though all of the evidence is out there, he still insists on sticking his head in the sand. oh well.

like shooting fish in a barrel
 
Poink and 2thick good points made on both sides :)

Tax cuts to the rich will allow them to spend more of the money they have actually earned- and thereby help bring up the economy as a whole. You start at the top and let the wealth trickle down.
 
Lift Chief said:
Poink and 2thick good points made on both sides :)

Tax cuts to the rich will allow them to spend more of the money they have actually earned- and thereby help bring up the economy as a whole. You start at the top and let the wealth trickle down.


This mentality was also known as Reagonomics. It got us in the mess we are in. The rich got richer. The poor got poorer. The numbers of poor expanded geometrically.

We got of grandiose people who think they will get rich so they want to help out those poor overtaxed rich people.

A huge number of rich people are democrat...they know they should pay plenty of taxes.

A huge number of republicans are poor....they think they will get rich.


As for me....I'm looking for a new party.
 
p0ink said:
1. he was impeached for repeatedly lying under oath, which is a crime. he should have been impeached for various other things, such as taking illegal campaign contributions from communist china.


If by impeached you are reffering to the consitutional check for a president's 'treasons or high crimes and misdemeanors,' then it is my belief that if Clinton was symantically impeached for sex, then Reagan most definately should have been impeached for the Iran Contra scandal (which, while beside the point these days, is much more inline with the fear of presidential abuse of power that caused the founding fathers to put impeachment in the constitution).
 
2Thick said:

So, my question is, when did we go collectively insane? When did we reach the breaking point where we became so accustomed to psychosis in our political life as a nation that we no longer even saw the sheer lunacy of what was being proposed?


"Madness is rare in individuals--but in groups, parties, nations, and ages it is the rule"- Nietzsche
 
collegiateLifter said:


If by impeached you are reffering to the consitutional check for a president's 'treasons or high crimes and misdemeanors,' then it is my belief that if Clinton was symantically impeached for sex, then Reagan most definately should have been impeached for the Iran Contra scandal (which, while beside the point these days, is much more inline with the fear of presidential abuse of power that caused the founding fathers to put impeachment in the constitution).

hah!

first off, even those involved in the iran contra scandal even said reagan was not giving the orders. secondly, more than 40 million was dumped into this investigation, and no one was ever convicted (except poindexter and north, which were eventually overturned) due to lack of evidence.

comparing the two is ridiculous.

clinton was taking large amounts of money for his campaign from the communist chinese in exchange for what?you dont think it was nuclear secrets that were being exchanged for money, do you? you dont think it was pay back for avancing their nuclear program by nearly 30 years, do you? thanks to help from the US, the chinese were able to put a nuke in orbit; something they were nowhere near being able to do before clinton took office.
 
Some perspective....

Not to get embroiled in an argument, but here's a few points to consider....

>Someone comes up with the idea of impeaching a democratically
>elected president for lying about sex (something most people in >the country do), and the Congress goes ahead and does it.

The law says a president can be removed for "high crimes and misdemeanors." Clinton lied under oath which is a serious federal offense. It's not what he lied about, or that he lied, it's that he lied in a way that was codifed as criminal. We didn't bitch when Al Capone got put away for tax evasion (never touched him on all the other illegal stuff he was doing). So, why a different standard here?

>We have millions upon millions of people uninsured in this
>country, but when someone comes up with a real solution to
>this problem, some scaremonger screams that we would
>become like Canada (a country that doesn't have our health
>care crisis), and the plan is nixed.

Socialized medicine is not what the USA needs. The problem is that the wealthy and powerful control everything. So, they will always have their way. Democrat or Republican, both parties are bought and paid for.

>A right-wing propaganda mill that finds every foolish Republican
>idea worthy of support declares itself news and fair and
>balanced, and people believe it.

Considering people bought the argument "charater isn't important" for a presidential election, I'd say you can get people to believe most anything.

>A dimwitted frat boy with the skimpiest of resumes runs for
>president, and he wins the nomination of one of our two major
>parties.

A known womanizer and liar gets nominated for president and actually wins....not even was a first round draft pick for his party. What does that say about the voters?

>The Supreme Court decides that counting votes in an election
>would pose too great of a hardship on the candidate that lost,
>and so it hands the election to the loser. Then the people who
>actually expected to have the votes counted are told to move
>on and shut up about it.

The Supreme Court was not the best forum to resolve the dispute. They don't work well under time pressures. More blame belongs on the Florida Supreme Court for mucking up the election procedure in the first place, and on Gore himself for not carrying his home state or doing better in Florida so that it wasn't such a close election. In the end, there was not one bit of proof that Gore won Florida, and this was confirmed by the media after the fact.

>The Congress is asked to give up its constitutional powers by
>giving a deranged and out of control executive branch the right
>to wage war, and the Congress complies.

This happened a long time ago. Nobody seemed to mind then....what's changed all of a sudden? Don't like who's in office now?

>The very week that a report is issued saying that the gap
>between rich and poor is growing and that a million more
>people have joined the ranks of the poor in two short years,
>the president announces yet another plan to give more money
>to rich people because the poor are always ganging up on
>them, and this idea, like all the previous soak the poor ideas,
>is taken seriously.

See my above point about the rich and powerful having bought out both political parties.

>Our country is viciously attacked by 19 men wielding box cutters
>and taking over airliners, and the government decides to take
>away my civil rights, none of which were used in the attack. If I
>or anyone complains about this and defends the Constitution,
>we're called unpatriotic and told to go wave a flag and cheer
>the unelected president.

Show me a single time the Federal Government hasn't taken advantage of a crisis to grab more power for itself.

>The administration, against the wishes of the UN, decides to
>reinvade a third world country that has virtually no
>infrastructure, no way to defend itself from our massive military
>machine, less of a connection to Al-Qaeda than the U.S.
>government itself, and no declared intention to attack its
>neighbors or the U.S., and our media and representatives
>decide that this is a good idea and anyone who disagrees is
>un-American.

First, the UN is a socialist group of pansies. Terrorism has hurt them, but they can't agree on what to do about it. If it was taken out when it started decades ago, we wouldn't be here now.

>All of this is insane, absurd, and farcical.
>
>So, my question is, when did we go collectively insane? When
>did we reach the breaking point where we became so
>accustomed to psychosis in our political life as a nation that we
>no longer even saw the sheer lunacy of what was being
>proposed?

It began when people got lazy. When you want government to do more of the day-to-day matters for you rather than take responsibility for yourself, you give power to the few to run everyone's lives. We made our own bed, and now we are about to have to lie in it. The mentality of welfare and entitlement replacing an ethic of hard work and independance is a big part of the problem. Too bad civilizations keep having to learn this at the price of their own destruction.
 
p0ink said:


hah!

first off, even those involved in the iran contra scandal even said reagan was not giving the orders. secondly, more than 40 million was dumped into this investigation, and no one was ever convicted (except poindexter and north, which were eventually overturned) due to lack of evidence.

comparing the two is ridiculous.

clinton was taking large amounts of money for his campaign from the communist chinese in exchange for what?you dont think it was nuclear secrets that were being exchanged for money, do you? you dont think it was pay back for avancing their nuclear program by nearly 30 years, do you? thanks to help from the US, the chinese were able to put a nuke in orbit; something they were nowhere near being able to do before clinton took office.



Thank you. I agree with p0ink on both his points, particularly this one. Bill Clinton has been just as dangerous to the world as the fallen Russian gov't that has handed out nuclear weapons like candy to rogue states. Since the fall of the Soviets, their technology has been sold to the most dangerous states, and because of Clinton China is now armed to the teeth. China is all about establishing domination in their region, and now it is possible thanks due to campaign funding for Billy Blowjob Clinton. Not only did he allow highly valued military missle technology to fall into their hands, but they are in our own fucking back yard. Clinton also allowed possesion of the Panama Canal to fall into the hands of front businesses for the Gov't of China. Now China controls the rights to who goes through, and this will come back to bite us in war time (both issues). In the near future China will make a power play to establish control in their region, South Korea & Taiwan will be added back by military might developed thanks to the Clinton legacy. China will be a major power that will be hard to check once they make their move (which will be in the next 5 years).
 
Testosterone boy said:



This mentality was also known as Reagonomics. It got us in the mess we are in. The rich got richer. The poor got poorer. The numbers of poor expanded geometrically.

The numbers of "poor" always do grow, when they are fed, clothed and sheltered. Thomas Malthus warned England of this in the 1800's, even though he got all of his famine ideas wrong. Ever thought that maybe a large portion of this "growing poor" might be illegal immigrants from South America. Their birth rate is much higher than any other ethnicity in the US. How should we bring them up into the wealthy sectors of life, give them a million dollars each?

We got of grandiose people who think they will get rich so they want to help out those poor overtaxed rich people.

No this is what you keep spouting off, not what most non-Democrats think. Most conservative/libertarians do not believe that they are going to be magically turned into millionaires if they vote Republican, they simply believe that the current form of taxation is one-sided and immoral.

A huge number of rich people are democrat...they know they should pay plenty of taxes.

Hey, idiots are found everywhere, what does this prove?

Please give us your well-thought out reasoning, supported by the concepts that founded this country, on why these "rich" SHOULD pay plenty of income taxes.

A huge number of republicans are poor....they think they will get rich.

Again, this is what you believe Republicans think and it is far from the truth.

As for me....I'm looking for a new party.

The Democratic, Socialist or Green Party would do you well. They are all about collectivism and income redistribution.
 
2Thick said:

So, my question is, when did we go collectively insane? When did we reach the breaking point where we became so accustomed to psychosis in our political life as a nation that we no longer even saw the sheer lunacy of what was being proposed?

from daily dirt.com

Marx pretty much got the ball rolling and others, like Henry Marcuse, discovered how to get the concepts of collectivism, Critical Theory, etc. into mainstream ideology. Radical Leftists have been more successful in destroying value systems and morality than any other group. They understand that "slow and steady wins the race".
 
atlantabiolab said:


The numbers of "poor" always do grow, when they are fed, clothed and sheltered. Thomas Malthus warned England of this in the 1800's, even though he got all of his famine ideas wrong. Ever thought that maybe a large portion of this "growing poor" might be illegal immigrants from South America. Their birth rate is much higher than any other ethnicity in the US. How should we bring them up into the wealthy sectors of life, give them a million dollars each?



No this is what you keep spouting off, not what most non-Democrats think. Most conservative/libertarians do not believe that they are going to be magically turned into millionaires if they vote Republican, they simply believe that the current form of taxation is one-sided and immoral.



Hey, idiots are found everywhere, what does this prove?

Please give us your well-thought out reasoning, supported by the concepts that founded this country, on why these "rich" SHOULD pay plenty of income taxes.



Again, this is what you believe Republicans think and it is far from the truth.



The Democratic, Socialist or Green Party would do you well. They are all about collectivism and income redistribution.



Well...I may give up my titles with the GOP simply because I find an alarming amount of ******** within it. :D
 
Top Bottom