Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I've decided to start a cycle of Winstrol to get cut up, I'm 5'7", 165lbs, been lifting for 6yrs, and have been taking sustanon 250 for about a week now. Winstrol for me is about $100 a bottle (10ml) which I think is steep, but I don't mind paying, I was just wondering if something was better than Winstrol that helps get you cut up and very lean; as I've heard Winstrol does. Anything cheaper/better?
What's better than Winstrol?
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justinjones1963
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Remove the price - it is against the rules.
BTW - it is expensive. Take it orally.
Anavar is also good.
BTW - it is expensive. Take it orally.
Anavar is also good.
THE GOOD SUN
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crack! ...it speeds up your metabolism ...gets you lean and toothless in no time, bro
cut your carbs and up your cardio ...as been said
cut your carbs and up your cardio ...as been said
bighippie11
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your training routine and cardio/diet is the biggest thing, but winni is good. oral winni is cheaper and exactly the same effect. var is good too.
mr.october
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anavar would be the best alternative
solidspine
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Winny alone is worthless,
Needs to be in a cycle.
Needs to be in a cycle.
straightnasty
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ok...this is getten rediculous, one guy says winny as pills is the same as injectable winny. never have i heard that before. everywhere i research the injectible is better! also everyone else wants to tell the guy to cardio and diet. why did you guys come to the STEROID discussion board if ur telling him to diet and cardio. he probably is doing that but wants info on what might be a better AAS. and winny alone is not wothless, it might not be the best thing but it certainly isn't worthless.
Oral winny will be less expensive than injectable and even though oral may be slightly less efficient, you can take a little more orally and still come out money ahead.
As far as a better/cheaper AAS for getting lean and cut; the answer is tren. About the only thing cheaper than converting Fina pellets to injectable tren-ace is mexican test-E.
For me tren is like winny only 5 times stronger. But the sides (side effects) are much more intense also (insomnia, acne, gyno, aggression).
Last cycle I gained 10lbs and went from 13.1 to 9.6% BF all the while eating like a horse (not a clean diet either). That cycle is below:
wk 1-10: 250mg Test-E twice weekly
wk 1-10: 20mg/day aromasin
wk 5-10: 50mg/day tren acetate
wk 5-10: 50mg/day oral winny
As far as a better/cheaper AAS for getting lean and cut; the answer is tren. About the only thing cheaper than converting Fina pellets to injectable tren-ace is mexican test-E.
For me tren is like winny only 5 times stronger. But the sides (side effects) are much more intense also (insomnia, acne, gyno, aggression).
Last cycle I gained 10lbs and went from 13.1 to 9.6% BF all the while eating like a horse (not a clean diet either). That cycle is below:
wk 1-10: 250mg Test-E twice weekly
wk 1-10: 20mg/day aromasin
wk 5-10: 50mg/day tren acetate
wk 5-10: 50mg/day oral winny
dsh89
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They are telling him diet and cardio because that is more important than any steroid he can take.
How long are you running the sustenon bro? You said you have taken it for one week, but don't say how long you are going to take it for. Plus, you do not say what the concentration o fthe Winny is, you simply give the amount (10ml). And do not post prices it is against the rules which you would know if you read the stickies.
Winny keeps you dry and gives nice hardness and some vascularity.
How long are you running the sustenon bro? You said you have taken it for one week, but don't say how long you are going to take it for. Plus, you do not say what the concentration o fthe Winny is, you simply give the amount (10ml). And do not post prices it is against the rules which you would know if you read the stickies.
Winny keeps you dry and gives nice hardness and some vascularity.
$100 vial? OUCH!!! 
justinjones1963
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THE GOOD SUN said:
I saw some guys at the hospital today that looked like meth addicts...they were skinny though! Very lean....
treneriffic
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Because he needs to research more and learn not just about staeroids but how to diet and excersise. He obviously has no idea about steroids and needs to learn before he starts usingstraightnasty said:
pitbullrocco
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yo herculoid, what is the concentration of the 10ml bottle you're talking about? i don't know how anyone can make a judgement call on that price unless you know this.....
straightnasty
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i understand he might not know that much about steroids and not saying i know everything either. but if we at least try to answer the question he is asking along with telling him how important diet and cardio are he will be better off. allot of people seem to just push everyone away with "do some research" most forums i go to-- sports, gambling, trivia, etc. people like to answer questions to show there knowledge and help out even if the question is asked 20 times in one week. if you got time to bash the guy and say these newbies are this and that then you got time to tell the guy that oral winstrol goes through your liver twice and you need to take a lot of pills to equal that of injectibles. some stuff i learned by researching but everyone might not have as much time as others. if i knew half the stuff of some of these guys on here i would love to give advice no matter what the question, thats pretty much my main point!!!
1968Charger
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winny will work well just find a better sorce ,it will cut u up just fine and keep your diet clean .winny also works well when done with alot of cardio .as far as cheaper drugs to cut there are alot of dieritics out there that will help as well ,clen ,efedra and so on ............and by the way i got you out of the redstraightnasty said:
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straightnasty said:
Just not true. The liver filters the entire volume of the blood every 30 minutes and has to deactivate all AAS. A 17AA compound will keep passing through the liver until all of it is deactivated regardless of the way it is administered (oral or IM injection). With injection the pass through the liver is at a lower concentration over a longer period of time (rather than a lot all at once) which probably is a little easier on the liver.
As far as I know no one has measured the loss of efficiency when taking winny orally but it is probably no more than 10-15%. The key when going the oral route is to spread the dosage out throughout the day.
Thanks for your very insightful replies and thaks straightnasty for being so kind to a newb such as myself. Sorry for putting up the price, I read the whole newb posting 101 thing, i just thought it was against the rules to ask for prices not put them up, but apparently I'd be getting ripped off at that price per bottle anyways. I know diet and cardio are the safest ways to go I just want something that helps in a big way. The majority of us on this forum have taken anabolic shortcuts. I'm not gonna sit on my ass and hope some magical pill will make me lean, I plan to of course to eat right and exercise and hope some magical pill just rips the fat right off.
abomb
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herculoid said:
It's not about safe or unsafe. Diet and cardio are the ONLY way cut fat. Anabolic steroids are not designed to burn fat. Bodybuilders use steroids while cutting to help maintain muscle that was added during a bulking phase. They also use AAS to maintain strength while on a calorie deficient diet.
Add a little Winny or Var to your Sustanon, but if your really focused on cutting then concentrate on eating clean and doing enough cardio. You need to get your mind off of "shortcuts". That word should never be in a bodybuilders mentality. Yes the majority here use anabolics, but you'll never get anyone here to clasify their use as a shortcut. Bank on that.
Alright I'll get off my cyber soap box now. Good luck with your training.
Oh by the way I've been taking 50mg/week of sustanon 250 which i know is like a fifth of what everybody else is taking, but i still have managed to go up like 20lbs within the first week on most exercises. I don't know if thats a lot but its a lot to an amature lifter such as myself.
straightnasty
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Thanks to 1968 charger for getting me out of the red (even though i am a little unaware what the red actually means and the karma stuff - red, obviously its not good. more info on that would help) and also thanks to nydj66 for that info on the liver process. thats the kind of info im talken bout. kudos to your knowledge bro. i asked this question in another thread with no responce, so if one of you could help would be appreciated: i read a post by Ulter that said tyler liver detox, glucorell r and sesapure were good to take when using oral steroids to heelp with the liver. which one is the best or would i have to purchase all three. i was thinking just buying tylers liver detox. thanks
bw1
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herculoid said:
I know you read this thread, but post up this info. You'll get much better replies:
If asking for advice on any sort of AAS or the like please include the following information:
1 - Age
2 - Lifting History
3 - Height
4 - Weight
5 - Estimated BF% (Or at least, lean/think/fat etc...)
6 - Diet
7 - Goals
8 - Proposed cycle (To show that you've at least done a little homework.)
herculoid said:
How the hell are you injecting 0.2ml at a time? And how much winny are you taking and how often?
Considering the weight of the long esters in sust, your body likely produces more testosterone per week than you are injecting. Or at least it would be if you weren't using AAS.
GMTECH
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herculoid said:
Dude your 165lbs and your fat wtf? Do you have any muscle?
You want to cut at 165 its bulking season bro!
Whats your lifting history? just started didnt you?
Truthfully steroids arent going to do what you probably think they will.
oh wait my bad you already gained 20lbs per lift in 1 week off of .2ml of
sustanon.
GMTECH
pitbullrocco
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i can only see where this thread is going......
.....and i'm not going there
.....and i'm not going there
herculoid said:
uhhh i don know who your trying to lie to but sustanon doest kick in untill weeks 2 and 3. and your taking 50mg so i don even think that thats possible....
fjasghs;ghsa;gas bla bla WTF you don know wat ur doing.....be smart no body takes 50mg of sustanon its not right.
165 and you want to cut...seems to me like you started to work out.
I do not really have a problem with people speaking of different labs as long as the lab itself doesn't mind that its name is mentioned on the boards. Those labs that do not want to have their name spread around on the boards should be respected in their request. Yes, like Ulter mentioned, we only really have our own trust in those who report what they experience, unless they get a lab analysis every time they order something.
BMJ
BMJ
Geez, I guess I should wait a while next time b4 posting... Guess I was lead in the wrong direction. I was told by another user who started taking equipose 300 and he told me that he had about the same gains and is only taking 25mg a week; but he was told by the dealer that 10ml was good for 2 five week cycles, and from what I've heard he's been using for like 5 years (he said he does no more than 50mg a week). I guess i really don't know what I'm doing... But still 2cc's of sustanon a week isn't very potent from what i've heard from u guys, so there shouldn't be as much harm in it, well not as much as from 250mg a week... I guess i should read up some more before i buy another bottle of anything. Oh TOP-NOTCH i did go up 20lbs in several exercises that wasn't a lie, but it has only been a week so who knows if that gain will even stay or if it was just a fluke...
pitbullrocco
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ewww ewwww i got it i got it....me, me, me......
"pussy is better than winstrol"
yah me
"pussy is better than winstrol"
yah me
dsh89
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Bro the dosages you are talking about are miniscule. 50mg a week is NOTHING! It is not even a beginner dose. 250mg a week of Test Enethate would be better suited for you. But on second thought a whole lot more research on wtf you are doing would be better suited for you. Jesus I cannot believe the number of people who show up here with that "This guy told me to take this much" WTF it is you LIFE we are talking about! You are just injecting some shit you know nothing about into your body that some "guy at the gym" gave you. I am just shocked.
Stop taking anything right now until you know more about it. It may be called a game, but it definately is not one.
Stop taking anything right now until you know more about it. It may be called a game, but it definately is not one.
herculoid said:
Sustanon 250 contains 250mg of testsoterone per ml. If you are injecting 2 ml/wk then that's 500mg (which is a decent cycle).
However, it will take more than a week to see results with sust.
I completely agree with dsh that you need to stop what you are doing and spend a few months researching AAS before you start another cycle. Seriously, so far it seems that you are just wasting money but it's possible to cause some unwanted side effects that can't be undone.
good one rocco,what a read this thread is .pitbullrocco said:
Brad.
qstorm
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straightnasty said:
SN - Thank you so much for that. Thats how most guys on here treat newbies such as my self. You ask a question and they laugh (of course we are newbies) you help us. NO matter how much research you do, experience is much better theory. IMO.
I became a plat memember so I could help and you still get bash
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