Whats a good first cycle?

[thefreshman]

I'm 19 years old, 5'11" and a measly 135lbs (around a 4% bodyfat), and I race BMX bikes. I weigh as much as I did freshman year Anyway, since I'm naturally doomed to be skinny I'm considering a cycle to gain a good 20lbs. I've read some post on here, but I'm not exactly sure whats a really good first cycle. I'm extremely strong for my size (rep 3x15 400lbs. legpress after not working out for 2 years) but I just don't have the mass.

I've heard sus is decent, kinda time released cause all the different test's, but is tapering good (if so how?), or is something better, stacking???, etc... My goal is to gain 20-30 lbs, which I know I could do because my stength is weak compared to what is used to be, but I still wanna be cut cause I am now. Is there anything like this, or does bodyfat gotta come with the mass? Anything needed like clomadin ?

Any other advice? Thanks alot I appreciate the help.

 

[jstrong20]

most will say your to young but here goes
A very popular first stack is test(I prefer enethate because it's cheap and I don't like the idea of sustenon) 500mgs every week for 10 weeks, decca 400mgs every week for 10 weeks, and dbol 25mgs ed for the first 4-6 weeks. Also running .25 mgs of arimidex throughout the cycle and of coarse clomid post therapy. Also you could leave the deca out and run just the test and dbol and probably still get good gains. Chances are you might gain some fat on this stack but If you eat clean it shouldn't be much. By the way this Is a popular first stack but if I had the chance to do a 1st cycle again I would of just ran straight test 1g every week for 10 weeks. Let me stress most would not agree with running 1g every week of test and at 135lbs. you propbably won't need much at all to grow.

 

[thefreshman]

Yeah its notorious in my family to not stop growing till 21 or so, would one cycle really stunt my growth permanately? Or does it depend on the drug.

 

[the_only_sepe]

train naturally until your at least 21 then juice

 

[mlomker]

Yeah its notorious in my family to not stop growing till 21 or so, would one cycle really stunt my growth permanately? Or does it depend on the drug.

Anything but the weakest anabolics will fuse your growth plates. Unless you are happy with your current height then you better forget about it. Your expectations are also very high...20 lbs is a very good result for a serious cycle. Your training and diet will have to be solid to get that kind of result.

You'll also want to do this off-season. The muscle pumps will probably eliminate your ability to be competitive in your sport. I couldn't even jog when I was on a cycle similar to what jstrong20 recommended. That a solid, big first cycle but if you're going to drop $800 then make sure you do your homework and get it right.

 

[thefreshman]

So even sus would fuse my growth plates? I was just thinking of doing 200-300mg a week for 8weeks, nothing incredible. And being a college student I don't have alot of money, so those superstacks are out of my league. I was going to go down to mexico with a friend that has gone before.

Any other opinions or recommendations?

 

[GaryWary]

So even sus would fuse my growth plates? I was just thinking of doing 200-300mg a week for 8weeks, nothing incredible. And being a college student I don't have alot of money, so those superstacks are out of my league. I was going to go down to mexico with a friend that has gone before.

Any other opinions or recommendations?

Sus is test. test will fuse your plates more than 'anabolics' like deca...

Just wait one more year..... then do 250mg test a week plus maybe dbol at 20mg day. Or 250mg test per 5/6 days and no orals...

In the meantime only train using large simple exercises: I suggest an 3 times a week. Legs monday, chest and tris wednesday and bis and back thursday. Leg press (some will say squat), bench, lat pulldown, bent over rows, tricep dips, tricep pushdown, curls, shoulder press, finished. Train with good form one week, followed by all out to failure in say 4 reps the following week. Alternate this. Add 4 pints of milk to you daily diet and a say 60g of protein powder. Don't waste your money on supplements like androstenediene... but do add some zinc, and vitamin c.

 

[Bramil]

At your age I wouldnt touch anything. Except Good Food. Alot of Sleep, And I good workout routine.

Do yourself a huge favor and dont touch anything for quite awhile. Reseach more learn more. Then in a couple years re-think to yourself if you want to take this path.

 

[thefreshman]

Sus is test. test will fuse your plates more than 'anabolics' like deca...

Just wait one more year..... then do 250mg test a week plus maybe dbol at 20mg day. Or 250mg test per 5/6 days and no orals...

In the meantime only train using large simple exercises: I suggest an 3 times a week. Legs monday, chest and tris wednesday and bis and back thursday. Leg press (some will say squat), bench, lat pulldown, bent over rows, tricep dips, tricep pushdown, curls, shoulder press, finished. Train with good form one week, followed by all out to failure in say 4 reps the following week. Alternate this. Add 4 pints of milk to you daily diet and a say 60g of protein powder. Don't waste your money on supplements like androstenediene... but do add some zinc, and vitamin c.

Thanks for the advice everyone, and gary I like your idea. I've been trying to drink alot of milk just cause I thought it would be good for growing, it has calcium, protein, and fat. I also started protein shakes again.

For workout routine, I think I'm gonna do 3day routine like you mentioned, but for legs I'll alternate squats and legpress,along with stiffleg deadlift and then at the end of workout go to the leg extension and leg curl machine to get a good burn. I really need strong legs for bikes. For chest and tri's I think flat and incline bench will be good, and for tri's dips and I'm not sure what a tricep pushdown is, explain?? Bi's and back will be dumbell curls, latpulldown, and bentover row. I don't know where to throw in shoulders, it may go best with my chest day, but shoulder press kinda uses triceps and that may cheat my shoulders from doing higher weight. Opinions?? Also I may want to throw in something that concentrates more on rear shoulder, or is bentover row gonna cover that a little. And front should be worked with bench and shoulderpress right?

 

[Quadsweep]

So even sus would fuse my growth plates? I was just thinking of doing 200-300mg a week for 8weeks, nothing incredible. And being a college student I don't have alot of money, so those superstacks are out of my league. I was going to go down to mexico with a friend that has gone before.

Any other opinions or recommendations?

I did 250mg of sust a week for 8weeks and gained27# my first time. and I weiged 190# at 5'7". I think your plan is fine. If you wanted to bump it up throw in 200mg of deca a week. I would shy away from d-Bol 1st cycle. Clomid after as jstrong sugested is nessary as well. It would be nice if you would wait untill you are 21 and try to put on more natural base muscle. You are very thin and you probably need to eat a hell of a lot more. I say this because there is no way you are even close to your natural potential.

Peace

 

[g-dogg]

I started young and I'm still almost 6', but at a buck 35 you should concentrate on eating for a year or two

 

[thefreshman]

Yeah I'm gonna hold on the gear for a year, but what about my workout routine???

"For workout routine, I think I'm gonna do 3day routine like you mentioned, but for legs I'll alternate squats and legpress,along with stiffleg deadlift and then at the end of workout go to the leg extension and leg curl machine to get a good burn. I really need strong legs for bikes. For chest and tri's I think flat and incline bench will be good, and for tri's dips and I'm not sure what a tricep pushdown is, explain?? Bi's and back will be dumbell curls, latpulldown, and bentover row. I don't know where to throw in shoulders, it may go best with my chest day, but shoulder press kinda uses triceps and that may cheat my shoulders from doing higher weight. Opinions?? Also I may want to throw in something that concentrates more on rear shoulder, or is bentover row gonna cover that a little. And front should be worked with bench and shoulderpress right?"

Thanks for the help guys.

 

[milkbone]

I think you should have a minimum of two years of solid, consistent, natural training behind you before using anabolics. I think you have plenty of room for growth by just eating more, supplementing protein and creatine, and training hard. I stopped training at around 17 for about 6 years and I dropped loads of weight. At 22, I was 6'1" @ 154 pounds! This was less than I weighed in high school when I was 5'11". I started training again and in 1 1/2 years, I had gone to 205 naturally just by eating right, training right, and supplementing with protein and creatine. On the flip side of that, I'm still between 200 and 210 now after 4 years of consistent training so I'm about to cycle for the first time to try to break through this plateau. It sounds like you have yet to reach your natural peak so I think you should just improve the diet and training first ... if that's not in check and you aren't gaining naturally at this stage, the juice isn't gonna help you much. Just my .02 on the subject.

MB

 

[chronicx357]

if you dont want to fuse your growth plates go with anavar. wont gain too much size though. personaly if i were you i would use sust and dbol. thats what i used my first cycle in low doses and it worked out nice. btw iwas around the same weight as you.

 

[thefreshman]

How old were you chronic?

I used to weigh 140 when I rode consistently and worked out 2-3 times a week (nothing major though). That was freshman year, now I'm a freshman in college. I did rupture my spleen since then, and lost 20lbs of muscle. I trained and came back to 135, but have stopped training and stayed here. Now I'm trying to train and eat properly, since my diet never seemed important till now. We'll see how I grow the next few months, I should see nice natural gains since I've been out a while, and have the potential to get back to where I was easily. It does come back easier right?