What would you do for your Peas?

[SOLID]

I need to hear what all my fellow gear monger's would do in this situation...to better help me make my decision. First of all we know we love to be on right and hate coming off right? -agree with me punks! Ok, well here's the deal how many of you continue if your shut down? And how stupid would it be to continue if your shut down and not going to be using Test in your continuing cycle? I'm not sure what will happen...but I have to get off this test from negative side effects, but I don't want to stop in the middle of my cutting cycle. But I'm shut down...balls are bb's. I was thinking of switching from Test Prop to Primo stacked with my Var/Winny/T3/ECA(Clen 2 on 2 off). How bad would this be? Would my Endo Test stay shut down completely without the use of Exo Test? Would you guys quit cold turkey or go for it? What's the verdict bro's?

 

[Mike P.T.]

Well my balls are still full and good to go. Not 100% but I would say at 75% of what they were and I've been on for over 6 months now. Guess everyone is different in how they shut down and how fast they do. Anyway, I wouldn't do it unless you don't care about your sex drive. At least add some proviron in there. But then again, that would defeat the purpose of taking out the really androgenic part of the cycle which is causing the related side effects. It's up to you bro. Good luck.

btw - hit you back but need to spread first.

 

[Golden_Muscle]

I would quit cold turkey, thats just how I am. Health comes first for me. Think about it, your bodys natural test is off and your balls are starting to shrink because of it. Time to quit the test shots and let your body turn itself back on while it still can. Dont let juice take over, dont fucking let it, its just a DAMN suppliment! Take it again later!

 

[Mike P.T.]

I would quit cold turkey, thats just how I am. Health comes first for me. Think about it, your bodys natural test is off and your balls are starting to shrink because of it. Time to quit the test shots and let your body turn itself back on while it still can. Dont let juice take over, dont fucking let it, its just a DAMN suppliment! Take it again later!

Im leaning more towards what he said. I've been on for a while and I know I don't want to come off but going to be "off" real soon. Oh well 3 steps forward, 1 step backwards, and so forth.

 

[SOLID]

Well my balls are still full and good to go. Not 100% but I would say at 75% of what they were and I've been on for over 6 months now. Guess everyone is different in how they shut down and how fast they do. Anyway, I wouldn't do it unless you don't care about your sex drive. At least add some proviron in there. But then again, that would defeat the purpose of taking out the really androgenic part of the cycle which is causing the related side effects. It's up to you bro. Good luck.

btw - hit you back but need to spread first.

LOL - it's the thought that counts^^^

Damn bro 6 months at what mg/wk? I actually have been on for about that long too but I was only on HRT doses 200mg EOW. I had very little shrinkage before I added my dose of Prop...that did it. I can't believe your not shut down after 6 months of probably a much higher dose than the HRT dose I was on. I'm kind of thinking I should quit. Stay off then hit it again in a couple months. But what do you think about the T3/Clen?


I hear ya Golden_Muscle It's just depressing since I had a goal of getting to 6%bf and the gear always helps while dieting to keep muscle mass.

What are you guys thoughts on going off, having low test levels, while trying to lean out.... is going to effect fat burning and fat loss all that much?

 

[saint808]

yeah mike what was your cycle like for 6 months? that's a damn long time.

 

[SOLID]

yeah mike what was your cycle like for 6 months? that's a damn long time.

I want to know too!

OMG saint your F$$king Karma points are outta hand LOL!

 

[Golden_Muscle]

Solid, just keep you diet in check, get lots of sleep and just simply keep at the jym. Im at 12-13%bf and I think im pretty lean! Who friggin cares, be a fat beef cake, its fun! If not, just keep your diet in check and you will be fine, and in a better situation than your in now, I guarantee it! If you listen to me you WILL thank me later.

 

[SOLID]

Solid, just keep you diet in check, get lots of sleep and just simply keep at the jym. Im at 12-13%bf and I think im pretty lean! Who friggin cares, be a fat beef cake, its fun! If not, just keep your diet in check and you will be fine, and in a better situation than your in now, I guarantee it! If you listen to me you WILL thank me later.

I know bro, no sex drive right now. Plus my doctor wanted my to make an appointment with my Endo to figure out the whole HRT thing...so this is kinda of perfect timing...I will go in there with next to no- existant T levels...and he will help me get back to homeostasis. So I have the opportunity to be professionally monitered. I will not try to stay on HRT, I want to get my own T levels back up to normality.

 

[saint808]

I know bro, no sex drive right now. Plus my doctor wanted my to make an appointment with my Endo to figure out the whole HRT thing...so this is kinda of perfect timing...I will go in there with next to no- existant T levels...and he will help me get back to homeostasis. So I have the opportunity to be professionally monitered. I will not try to stay on HRT, I want to get my own T levels back up to normality.

sounds like it may be a good way for some upjohn scrips LOL... but seriously they give those shots at the office don' they?

 

[Golden_Muscle]

I know bro, no sex drive right now. Plus my doctor wanted my to make an appointment with my Endo to figure out the whole HRT thing...so this is kinda of perfect timing...I will go in there with next to no- existant T levels...and he will help me get back to homeostasis. So I have the opportunity to be professionally monitered. I will not try to stay on HRT, I want to get my own T levels back up to normality.

HRT=?

 

[saint808]

HRT=?

hormone replacement therapy

 

[Mike P.T.]

Well you guys could always go over to the training journals area and see the updates since I started my cycle. Hardly anyone ever posts on there so all my threads will be on the first top half of the page. Current dose for the past couple of weeks have been 250mg sus every 5 days along with 150mg fina eod and 1.25mg femera eod. Was actually on a lower dose with 250mg sus every 10 days and still getting good results. I will be off soon though. 5 more amps of sus left and im done. Time to get all bulky and have less quality this winter. Oh well....

 

[SOLID]

sounds like it may be a good way for some upjohn scrips LOL... but seriously they give those shots at the office don' they?

yeah that's what I was getting. A nice shot of Upjohn 200mg every other week. My doctor wanted me to talk to a Endocrinologist to see what we should do about my test levels. After testing with my doctor and was diagnosed with low T levels, I went to him because I had no sex drive and was struggling with depression. He put me on a trial period of Test replacement therapy to see if it helped me - and yes it did...but not that much- however I was stoked to be getting free test . So now my doc. wants an Endo to access my situation and see what we should do from there. I don't want to be put on HRT though. But hopefully he will find a way to get my natural testosterone up to par levels. So plan to say that my nuts shrunk up by the HRT my doc had me on and not dare mention the extra T prop involved. Plus if I do have gyno - I will also blame it on the HRT. So my insurance will have to pay for it to be removed.

 

[Zyglamail]

If your bound and determined to stay on I would say take a couple week run of HCG.

 

[SOLID]

Well you guys could always go over to the training journals area and see the updates since I started my cycle. Hardly anyone ever posts on there so all my threads will be on the first top half of the page. Current dose for the past couple of weeks have been 250mg sus every 5 days along with 150mg fina eod and 1.25mg femera eod. Was actually on a lower dose with 250mg sus every 10 days and still getting good results. I will be off soon though. 5 more amps of sus left and im done. Time to get all bulky and have less quality this winter. Oh well....

Training Journals? - I'm going to go check that out right now... :

 

[SOLID]

If your bound and determined to stay on I would say take a couple week run of HCG.

Zyg, what's the best proventative against bitch tits from HCG?

 

[Zyglamail]

Zyg, what's the best proventative against bitch tits from HCG?

Low dose and frequent injections. ie 1000IU eod.

 

[SOLID]

Low dose and frequent injections. ie 1000IU eod.

Ok, any Anti- E's recomended?

 

[Zyglamail]

Ok, any Anti- E's recomended?

One of the reasons HCG likely causesa gyno is because many people take huge hits which in turn triggers a huge surge of test and hence it gets aromatized into estrogen. If your on cycle and on anti-e's allready a couple weeks low dose HCG shouldnt pose any problems. But nolva(or clomid) on hand is always a good idea.

 

[kronk]

Well said Zyg, I was surprized to see that nobody for you suggested that. I use it a bit different at 500units ed for two weeks, but I have heard great things about 1000units eod.

I usually run 500 units ed at the mid of my cycle for two weeks or so, then tword the end i will do 1000units (3 times for one week)

I think this is the best way to keep the boys normal and spped recovery post cycle.

 

[SOLID]

Well said Zyg, I was surprized to see that nobody for you suggested that. I use it a bit different at 500units ed for two weeks, but I have heard great things about 1000units eod.

I usually run 500 units ed at the mid of my cycle for two weeks or so, then tword the end i will do 1000units (3 times for one week)

I think this is the best way to keep the boys normal and spped recovery post cycle.

in other words...keep kronkette happy off cycle...hehe.

good advice guys I will be taking that into consideration.

 

[SOLID]

ok if I take the advice given do the HCG and get my balls back up to size- (will they really come all the way back up to size?) and continue the cutting cycle without using Test, what can I expect?
What would I want to run the Primo at? I am totally unfamiliar with the use of Primo. What does it help accomplish? I've read up on it and it basically sounds like a mild deca. So what do you think I should expect from running Primo, Var, and some Winny?

Var will be ran at 50mg ED
Winny at 50mg ED
Primo???
I would throw some EQ in there but it takes too long to saturate...and I don't plan on running this cycle for longer than 4 weeks.

 

[Mike P.T.]

ok if I take the advice given do the HCG and get my balls back up to size- (will they really come all the way back up to size?) and continue the cutting cycle without using Test, what can I expect?
What would I want to run the Primo at? I am totally unfamiliar with the use of Primo. What does it help accomplish? I've read up on it and it basically sounds like a mild deca. So what do you think I should expect from running Primo, Var, and some Winny?

Var will be ran at 50mg ED
Winny at 50mg ED
Primo???
I would throw some EQ in there but it takes too long to saturate...and I don't plan on running this cycle for longer than 4 weeks.

It definately helps bro. I used it mid-way through my cycle and I noticed a considerable difference in the size of my . As for what you can expect, well that depends on how you are training, eating, and resting as well. But you can expect quality gains with no worry about water retension. As for the primo it is a mild steroid that produces quality gains. It does not aromatize being a derivative of dht and is one of the few steroids that actually work well on a low calorie diet. I wouldn't compare it to deca though. Gains-wise maybe but side effects are different in terms of water retension and how much it shuts you down. Good luck with it bro.

 

[genarr3]

What Zyg said. That's what's it's for.

 

[SOLID]

alright, so I couldn't sleep last night thinking about what I should do. All I wanted to do was get out of bed and post this question...if my are back to size, will running the mentioned cycle Primo/Var/Winny produce gains in a absence of Test enviornment since I'm still shut down? I'm under the intention that the reason for post cycle therapy is to get your producing on there own again as quick as possible -to prevent loss of gains.

 

[Mike P.T.]

alright, so I couldn't sleep last night thinking about what I should do. All I wanted to do was get out of bed and post this question...if my are back to size, will running the mentioned cycle Primo/Var/Winny produce gains in a absence of Test enviornment since I'm still shut down? I'm under the intention that the reason for post cycle therapy is to get your producing on there own again as quick as possible -to prevent loss of gains.

If you have been on for a good amount of time it may not produce any more gains but help you maintain muscle mass while u lose bodyfat. It all depends. For example, if you naturally produce high levels of test and are shutdown then the anabolic stack you have listed may not make up for the loss overall anabolically and androgenically to your own test production. Using the hcg though will help bring up natural test levels again since it stimulates leutinizing hormone which in turn signals your testes to produce test again. They are like jumper cables. But after you go off of it the body again starts to shut down. Try it out and see what happens. Only way you will ever know fully is trial and error since everyone handles these drugs differently anyway. Good luck and it's good to see someone who makes sure he has everything covered before jumping into it.

 

[SOLID]

If you have been on for a good amount of time it may not produce any more gains but help you maintain muscle mass while u lose bodyfat. It all depends. For example, if you naturally produce high levels of test and are shutdown then the anabolic stack you have listed may not make up for the loss overall anabolically and androgenically to your own test production. Using the hcg though will help bring up natural test levels again since it stimulates leutinizing hormone which in turn signals your testes to produce test again. They are like jumper cables. But after you go off of it the body again starts to shut down. Try it out and see what happens. Only way you will ever know fully is trial and error since everyone handles these drugs differently anyway. Good luck and it's good to see someone who makes sure he has everything covered before jumping into it.

Great Post Mike - you've been very helpful - thanks. I think what I'm going to do is finish up the Var/winny I have hit the HCG while I'm still on those then go off. Hit up post cycle therapy and hope for the best. Take time off and hit it again once my body has has rested and returned to homeostasis. I think I will make that appointment to the Endocrinologist. My T levels should be rock bottom by the time I meet with him and then we get things working again. He will probably perscribe the HCG correct so no need in doing it on my own or should I do prior to meeting with him? Thanks again.

SOLID

 

[Stillgoing]

IMO I wouldn't go off the test. If you only have 4 weeks or so left on the cycle, adding in primo now is not going to do any good (similar to your thought on EQ). As suggested, do a little HCG now, then do a typical post-C program with HCG, nolvadex and maybe Clomid.

 

[Mike P.T.]

Great Post Mike - you've been very helpful - thanks. I think what I'm going to do is finish up the Var/winny I have hit the HCG while I'm still on those then go off. Hit up post cycle therapy and hope for the best. Take time off and hit it again once my body has has rested and returned to homeostasis. I think I will make that appointment to the Endocrinologist. My T levels should be rock bottom by the time I meet with him and then we get things working again. He will probably perscribe the HCG correct so no need in doing it on my own or should I do prior to meeting with him? Thanks again.

SOLID

Actually do it yourself as I doubt he will prescribe HCG for you since it is used for women medically and not for men. Even if you explain it to him he may be reluctant to prescribe it to you.

Stillgoing is right though in that primo(injectable im assuming you are taking) is similar to the thought you had on eq since it is slow acting. Not as slow as the undeclynate ester since primo has the enanthate ester but not fast like the other steroids you are using.