What the hell is going on here?

[Thom]

This guy I know is on a cycle. He started prop at about 450mg ew with injections ED for two weeks ago.

He didn't bloat up, which is probably because he's using 0,5mg arimidex ed (he's sensitive so he has to use that dose).

Now, as planned, he started trenbolone acetate at about the same dose ew as the prop, also with injections ED.

He started this last wednesday. Thursday he thought he had bloated up a little. He was right.

He hadn't been eating ANYTHING else than the normal stuff he eats every day.

He, withouth feeling itchy nipples or anything, just out of pure "luck", pressed his nipples and some clear liquid came out.

He is using cabaser 0,5mg e3d. Friday came, and he still could press out some liquid, but not as much as the day before.

Still no lumps, itching, or anything like that. Maybe a little sore, but that's probably because he's been pressing them alot lately.

Now, three days later, the lactating has stopped. But he is still bloated. He has not used or changed any other meds in these days (still using

prop, tren, ari, cabaser).

He has to hit the toilet 4-5 times every night.

What would you do in his position? He's going to continue his cycle unless the lactating comes back. But what about the bloat?

Anyone have any clue what this could be? He's also having those regular tren sides like night sweating and a little bit of insomnia.



thanks
Thom

 

[sigmund]

This guy I know is on a cycle. He started prop at about 450mg ew with injections ED for two weeks ago.

He didn't bloat up, which is probably because he's using 0,5mg arimidex ed (he's sensitive so he has to use that dose).

Now, as planned, he started trenbolone acetate at about the same dose ew as the prop, also with injections ED.

He started this last wednesday. Thursday he thought he had bloated up a little. He was right.

He hadn't been eating ANYTHING else than the normal stuff he eats every day.

He, withouth feeling itchy nipples or anything, just out of pure "luck", pressed his nipples and some clear liquid came out.

He is using cabaser 0,5mg e3d. Friday came, and he still could press out some liquid, but not as much as the day before.

Still no lumps, itching, or anything like that. Maybe a little sore, but that's probably because he's been pressing them alot lately.

Now, three days later, the lactating has stopped. But he is still bloated. He has not used or changed any other meds in these days (still using

prop, tren, ari, cabaser).

He has to hit the toilet 4-5 times every night.

What would you do in his position? He's going to continue his cycle unless the lactating comes back. But what about the bloat?

Anyone have any clue what this could be? He's also having those regular tren sides like night sweating and a little bit of insomnia.



thanks
Thom

Increased prolactin was the most likely cause for nipple discharge, although blood work needs to be carried out to know for sure, there could be other factors. You’re right (from your other post) in that Cabaser (and Vitex B6, Bromo, etc) lowers prolactin, not progesterone but the progestins; Tren, Deca, Anadrol, all act via the progesterone receptor AND via the prolactin receptor. I’ve read that the elevated prolactin is the real problem, however most studies I’ve come across are describing the hormones purpose / involvement specific to females (as AAS users aren’t often subjects of these studies).

I think Nolva might also help here too as it will block the receptors responsible for gyno. Nolva is a good bet for gyno whether its prolactin/progesterone/estrogen related. Progesterone does not directly cause gyno, it antagonizes the situation when estrogen is present (basically always). Nolva lowers estrogen levels which in turn lowers progesterone levels but most importantly blocks the receptors responsible for gland growth.

Anyway sounds like the Cabaser has now reduced Prolcatin and halted the lactation although the bloat is a concern as it suggests estradiol is still high, which is unexpected considering the incorporation of Adex – perhaps the dose is not high enough (I don’t like to recommend anything on assumption though and again stress the importance of blood work). If I had to say what’s causing the bloat my money would be on the prop. A possible remedy would be Proviron, which is also of benefit to cycles with progestins because DHT-like compounds (Proviron is 1-methyl DHT) are progesterone receptor antagonists.

However to be on the safe side he should get PSA levels checked to ensure his prostate isn’t inflamed - you mention frequent urination overnight - although it could be water retention it’s worth checking out especially if he considers adding Proviron.

 

[dr0832]

Drinking 1.5+ gallons of water per night is what cause excess urination.

 

[Thom]

Drinking 1.5+ gallons of water per night is what cause excess urination.

thanks sigmund

what are you talking about dr0832?
lets say I shoot 6iu GH in the mornings. I get bloated like hell.
These days I'm on GH in the morning, I have to get up and urinate quite more often at night than the days I'm not using GH.
His problem is not that he drinks too much water... he didn't have this problem before, and he's not drinking more water.