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What can be done about overcrowding?

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My town has a HUGE High School and it keeps getting bigger. There`s about five buildings on the property and it`s STILL overcrowded.

Also the developement of new houses/townshouses right across the street, They`re building about three hundred of them, Will further overcrowd things JUST FROM THAT.

Where will it end? Really does anyone have a solution for this? There`s a program now where students opt to go in earlier to class to leave earlier. That works to some degree but that`s not going to solve the problem.

Don`t Bullshit on this thread.
 
PS my property tax rate is 3. something.
 
sounds like my town, when I moved there when I was 7 there was about 2000 people in town and only 3 schools, now there are 1round 15,000 and 7 schools, they have added houses and schools, but no businesses
 
It can't be worse than Florida...

I don't feel your pain as I have plenty of my own...

The only thing you can do is find a local Mayor, County commisioner etc that is strong against UNMANAGED growth, and push for him/her getting elected.
It will help to slow it down at least vs a politicial pushing for growth as some do no matter what the cost..

Be ready for the growth in schools, infrastructure, roads etc and then grow..
Growth is good. Unmanaged growth is bad.
 
break the public sector unions in the schoools. privatize education. Schools will be built 12 miles away since it is cheaper to transport kids out there and to buy the property.

The current model means taxpayers pay for the school so cost is a non-issue - they just spend the money at the unions' behest.


Spread out the schools and the communities will follow.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
break the public sector unions in the schoools. privatize education. Schools will be built 12 miles away since it is cheaper to transport kids out there and to buy the property.

The current model means taxpayers pay for the school so cost is a non-issue - they just spend the money at the unions' behest.


Spread out the schools and the communities will follow.
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And then you get Urban Sprawl which has its own collection of issues..

Montana... thats the ticket.
 
I forgot to add, There`s a big problem in my particular town with out-of-towners coming into the school. It`s so bad that the school gives rewards to anyone pointing out individuals that don`t live there.

I knew someone that used to follow kids home with their buddies to see if they were`nt from there. lol They made some money doing it.

I say for that particular problem just hire an investigator. They were paying out so much money, I think $500 per student found, That it would be worth hiring a PI and he would be very efficient I think.

anyway that is just a small part of the problem.
 
Don't you need proof of residency in the School district you are in
when registering your child for school ?

Or is it a walk in school ?
 
I went to a school that had over a thousand freshmen almost ten years ago, so I can only imagine what it has now. The only solution is to build more schools rather than making one bigger.
 
Y_Lifter said:


And then you get Urban Sprawl which has its own collection of issues..

Montana... thats the ticket.
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well, property values increasing eventually drives people further away.

at the end of the day, you know this as a Floridian, there are just too many people.
 
Originally posted by MattTheSkywalker
well, property values increasing eventually drives people further away.
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I experienced this first hand when we were looking for a subdivision to build in.
We found the exact house/builder we wanted. We discovered that just 10 miles down the road outside the city limit in another county, the exact same house, lot, developer and association perks were almost $75K less..
 
Y_Lifter said:


I experienced this first hand when we were looking for a subdivision to build in.
We found the exact house/builder we wanted. We discovered that just 10 miles down the road outside the city limit in another county, the exact same house, lot, developer and association perks were almost $75K less..
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I hear you sir. I spent 7 figures to get into a neighborhood that was not a development and not crowded....it;s the going rate.

BTW smart on your part...same stuf happens here in Jax.
 
mass genocide or deportation...we should deport the illegals to montana or south dakota or some shit and have them start their own communities.

only other way to avoid it is have lots of money. in my town in NJ its a requirement to have a minimum 2 acres to be part of the town...and the only allow a VERY small number of businesses of any kind
which is why the houses go for anywhere from 500k to 10 mil+
 
I've also always felt the Feds have it all backwards giving you more tax deductions for the number of kids you have..

I say reward those couples that have no kids, make it even up to
having 2 kids, and then charge them extra per kid if they want to have more..

No one limiting how many you can have.
Just be ready to pay for them..
 
PIGEON-RAT said:
make the schools tough, kick out those who fail. send them to boarding school/labor camps.
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who will pay for this?
 
Imnotdutcheither said:


Define fail. You want to punish kids for being cognitively weaker?
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No need. Society does that. Education should be tailored to the ability ot the student. Don't bog smart kids down while a dumbass learns basic math for the 87th time.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:


No need. Society does that. Education should be tailored to the ability ot the student. Don't bog smart kids down while a dumbass learns basic math for the 87th time.
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We set kids according to ability.......and pick out the so called 'gifted and talented'. Anything further requires a huge input on the part of the teacher and education system........at least as far as I can see.
 
Imnotdutcheither said:


We set kids according to ability.......and pick out the so called 'gifted and talented'. Anything further requires a huge input on the part of the teacher and education system........at least as far as I can see.
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America fails to do this to a great degree. It is too bad.
 
Well, they should put a sterility agent back in the water at schools to stop teenage pregnancies. That will help there.

Next they need to neuter violent felons, rapists, and other people that are a detrement to society.

The raising of taxes for extra kids is a great idea also.

:D
 
MattTheSkywalker said:


America fails to do this to a great degree. It is too bad.
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Really, shit thats harsh. Having said that, there is a growing trend to have mixed ability classes because research shows that the more able will help the less able. Of course most dont realise that this only works for the few subjects that are not content rich (examples of content rich subjects being science and maths). Oh and it assumes that the kids are willing to work together and you foster a good safe environment for them.......it assumes a lot!!
 
Imnotdutcheither said:


Really, shit thats harsh. Having said that, there is a growing trend to have mixed ability classes because research shows that the more able will help the less able. Of course most dont realise that this only works for the few subjects that are not content rich (examples of content rich subjects being science and maths). Oh and it assumes that the kids are willing to work together and you foster a good safe environment for them.......it assumes a lot!!
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I wonder about that research.

it certianly isn;t based on any "real world" data I have seen...the more talented adults find each other and avoid the less capable to a large extent.
 
About nine years ago at this town`s High School Graduation the valedictorian made her speech, She started out by saying "They did`nt allow me to make this speech..." And the Jist of it was how overcrowded the school was, NINE YEARS ago. lol That same school is So much worse.

Well she got her speech off without being dragged out in handcuffs at least. It`s a shame the brightest kid in school has to resort to graduation to talk about the overcrowdedness in her school.

Some of her words... "It does`nt matter to me, I`m leaving, but it`s just getting worse for the next generations of classes." She was right. Smart kid.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:


I wonder about that research.

it certianly isn;t based on any "real world" data I have seen...the more talented adults find each other and avoid the less capable to a large extent.
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Oh I totally agree with you on this one. The research is largely done in schools where the kids come from a middle class background so they tend to be more co-operative anyway. The work is also done with younger kids. I wonder what they would have found if they had used testosterone ridden 15 year old boys from an inner city environment.
 
Y_Lifter said:
I've also always felt the Feds have it all backwards giving you more tax deductions for the number of kids you have..

I say reward those couples that have no kids, make it even up to
having 2 kids, and then charge them extra per kid if they want to have more..

No one limiting how many you can have.
Just be ready to pay for them..
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Thank You! :garza:

Would you please consider running for President?
 
I second the motion of Trade Schools for HighSchool Students.

Also, as to the Smart kids helping out the not so smart ones,
only if she was Hot in my case..
 
FitFossil said:


Thank You! :garza:

Would you please consider running for President?
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You're a parent aren;t you?

Then you know that there are already tremendous expenses associated with having another child.

Why a tax would need to be piled on top of that is beyond me....typical way of asking big brother to fix everything I suppose. I don't know why people do that....why bring big brother into our homes?
 
war is a good population control method. just imagine how many people there would be right now if the WW2, korean war and vietnam didnt happen
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
You're a parent aren;t you?

No, but even if I were, I'd still agree with YLifter's suggestions because the current situation hurts everyone. Childed or not, we are all paying for a lifestyle choice that is no longer economically or ecologically sustainable. Large families provided an ecomonic benefit back when we were colonizing the country and jobs were mostly agricultural requiring many hands, but times have changed.

Then you know that there are already tremendous expenses associated with having another child.

Yes, but the problem is that many parents don't seem to know this. The current tax structure (tax credits per child) and the welfare system (have more babies get more bennies) does little to encourage personal economic responsibility for children.

Why a tax would need to be piled on top of that is beyond me....typical way of asking big brother to fix everything I suppose. I don't know why people do that....why bring big brother into our homes?

Big Brother is already in our homes and our pockets. What YLifter is saying would help limit Big Brother. I'm all for good schools and don't mind making a contribution even though I don't have children, but I don't want to be soaked for someone else's lifestyle choice when they want to have more children than most people. If people want a large family and are willing to shoulder those costs themselves, that's fine.
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FitFossil said:
Yes, but the problem is that many parents don't seem to know this. The current tax structure (tax credits per child) and the welfare system (have more babies get more bennies) does little to encourage personal economic responsibility for children.
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I agree with you on the welfare situation - incentivizing people to have more kids is a terrible policy.

Tax credits per child is part of a lousy tax policy that overburdens the highest earners while catering to the working, middle and upper middle classes.

tax code is a shame, period.



Big Brother is already in our homes and our pockets. What YLifter is saying would help limit Big Brother.
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Creating new taxes always results in larger government.


I'm all for good schools and don't mind making a contribution even though I don't have children, but I don't want to be soaked for someone else's lifestyle choice when they want to have more children than most people.
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Again, it is the high income earenrs that shoulder the greatest burden, because. I would agree with you if the tax code removed the income tax or at the very least flattened it completely.



If people want a large family and are willing to shoulder those costs themselves, that's fine.
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Then a dramatic shrinking of the tax burden is your answer? Let them keep their money to raise their family, and let's not create benefits or credits for having kids.
 
Y_Lifter said:
I've also always felt the Feds have it all backwards giving you more tax deductions for the number of kids you have..

I say reward those couples that have no kids, make it even up to
having 2 kids, and then charge them extra per kid if they want to have more..

No one limiting how many you can have.
Just be ready to pay for them..
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Unless I am missing something.. the governments of western nations want more kids, not less... it's to do with our increasingly aging society; they want more young folks to pay to support all the services involved in looking after old people..
 
Imnotdutcheither said:


Define fail. You want to punish kids for being cognitively weaker?
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i vote for nationwide implementation of the stanford-binet IQ test as a measure of how successful you should be.
 
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