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turbogreek

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before i start my next cycle, I'm looking to do a killer fat loss stack using AF store products, as i have put on some excess BF in the last coupld of months. I have used trex in the past and loved it. What stacks have you guys used un the past?

looking at sesapure, levorex, alcar, synephrine, Glucorell R, cardio breeze, t-rex.

which products can be safely used together and at what doses? any personal experiences would be gretly appreciated.
 
been running trex and cadio breeze together. they have been great
going to start using AIFM this week
looking to get some sesapure and glucorell soon
 
Glucorell, AIFM, and Sesapure are great! I have used the YES before and it helped removed water etc but didn'tdo much for me in terms of fat loss. However I was at 6% bf and trying to lose the extra little bit around the lower back etc which is more difficult.
 
turbogreek said:
before i start my next cycle, I'm looking to do a killer fat loss stack using AF store products, as i have put on some excess BF in the last coupld of months. I have used trex in the past and loved it. What stacks have you guys used un the past?

looking at sesapure, levorex, alcar, synephrine, Glucorell R, cardio breeze, t-rex.

which products can be safely used together and at what doses? any personal experiences would be gretly appreciated.

Don't forget AIFM and some nicotine gum.
 
actually was giving other people a chance to answer.

however since you asked:

Thermorexin 2-6 caps per day (to tolerance)
Levorex 6 caps per day
sesapure- diet dependant typically 2-4 caps but some dose higher
Glucorell- 1 cap per 30-50 of carbs taken prior to meals
AIFM- low dose 1 pump per day, if you are a bit estrous 1 pump twice a day (most men benefit from mild estrogen suppression especially if you have extra bodyfat)
Yohimburn ES- on stubborn fat areas prior to workout- dosage varies by need (some people like to dose heavy for extra systemic effect)

if you need additional appetite suppression synephrine caps (as needed)
you can take additional ALCAR (though levorex provides a significant amount)-- some people like to dose it high

cardio breeze if you have issues taking thermorexin on an empty stomach (ie for use with AM cardio) - some people like to mix and match CB and t-rex
 
turbogreek said:
what does AIFm have to d with weight loss? and what's with the nicotine gum?

As macro said, AIFM reduces estrogen. Estrogen promotes fat synthesis, especially in men. Reducing estrogen will...help lipolysis. Adding Nicotine gum reduces estrogen also, and stimulates your thyroid hormone output via the SNS, the way an EC stack does.
 
Ulter said:
Um.. can you explain that a little? Nicotine stimulates your Thyroid Hormone output via the SNS? I assume you mean CNS.

No, SNS (Sympathetic Nervous System) which is the output (motor) part of the Autonomic Nervous System, comprised of the parasympathetic and sympathetic nervous systems. THe Sympathetic Nervous System is comprised out of Adrenergic neurons which releases noradrenalin/epinepherine. Thyroid levels and SNS output are synergistic. So stimulated SNS=release of epinepherine=increased thyroid output.

THe human body has 2 types of Cholenergic receptors and one of them are Nicotinic receptors found on ALL dendrites and cell bodies of the para and sympathetic NS. Nicotine mimics the action of acetylcholine and this releases epinepherine via the SNS. Nicotine gum=stimulated SNS=increased thyroid output.

Anatomy and Physiology were my fav. courses in college. I checked my books also to give a detailed explanation. Big book, "Principles of Anatomy and Physiology 8th ed.-Tortora & Grabowski (authors)"

Hope that helps.
 
most studies indicate that nicotine has no effect on thyroid. It is a potent appetite suppresant and does have other metabolic stimulating effect including catecholamine release and possible increase in UCP-1 production.
 
macrophage69alpha said:
most studies indicate that nicotine has no effect on thyroid. It is a potent appetite suppresant and does have other metabolic stimulating effect including catecholamine release and possible increase in UCP-1 production.

I'm sure there are studies that say that nicotine doesnt directly effect thyroid response. But the indirect effect of nicotine attacthing itself to the nicotinic receptors and stimulating the SNS is a fact. The stress response is the key here.
And you feel as I do, I've heard you say it, that you dont think much of studies. Until physiological evidence says the body doesnt work in this manner, then I'll believe that nicotine does nothing to stimulate metabolism. This is a good topic of discussion.
 
quite the opposite, studies are quite useful (though not always correct). Btw not disagreeing with your assertion that nicotine has both CNS and SNS effects (likely mediated through NE and in the CNS by NE and DA. in this case a number of studies have looked at thyroid and nicotine, they have found no changes in thryoid levels with nicotine use. They have found it to be a metabolic stimulant through various pathways.

it is quite possible that nicotinic cholinergic receptor stimulation modulates thryoid transcription, but studies indicate that it has no direct effects on plasma thryoid levels.

as a note- this study, among others, supports your SNS/metabolic theory...

J Nutr Sci Vitaminol (Tokyo). 1990 Apr;36(2):123-30. Links
Effect of nicotine on norepinephrine turnover and thermogenesis in brown adipose tissue and metabolic rate in MSG obese mice.Yoshida T, Yoshioka K, Hiraoka N, Kondo M.
Department of Internal Medicine, Kyoto Prefectural University of Medicine, Japan.

To clarify whether nicotine stimulates the sympathetic nervous system (SNS) and thermogenesis in brown adipose tissue (BAT) and whether it promotes the resting metabolic rate (RMR), with resulting mitigation of obesity, we measured norepinephrine (NE) turnover (an indicator of SNS activity), guanosine-5'-diphosphate (GDP) binding (a thermogenic indicator), oxygen consumption in BAT, and RMR in monosodium-L-glutamate (MSG) obese and saline control mice after 2 weeks treatment with nicotine. Nicotine significantly increased NE turnover, GDP binding, oxygen consumption in BAT, and RMR, and significantly reduced body weight in MSG obese mice as well as in control mice without affecting food intake. These results suggest that nicotine stimulates NE turnover and thermogenesis in BAT, and promotes RMR, all of which contribute to the mitigation of obesity.
 
macrophage69alpha said:
quite the opposite, studies are quite useful (though not always correct). Btw not disagreeing with your assertion that nicotine has both CNS and SNS effects (likely mediated through NE and in the CNS by NE and DA. in this case a number of studies have looked at thyroid and nicotine, they have found no changes in thryoid levels with nicotine use. They have found it to be a metabolic stimulant through various pathways.

it is quite possible that nicotinic cholinergic receptor stimulation modulates thryoid transcription, but studies indicate that it has no direct effects on plasma thryoid levels.

as a note- this study, among others, supports your SNS/metabolic theory...

J Nutr Sci Vitaminol (Tokyo). 1990 Apr;36(2):123-30. Links
Effect of nicotine on norepinephrine turnover and thermogenesis in brown adipose tissue and metabolic rate in MSG obese mice.Yoshida T, Yoshioka K, Hiraoka N, Kondo M.
Department of Internal Medicine, Kyoto Prefectural University of Medicine, Japan.

To clarify whether nicotine stimulates the sympathetic nervous system (SNS) and thermogenesis in brown adipose tissue (BAT) and whether it promotes the resting metabolic rate (RMR), with resulting mitigation of obesity, we measured norepinephrine (NE) turnover (an indicator of SNS activity), guanosine-5'-diphosphate (GDP) binding (a thermogenic indicator), oxygen consumption in BAT, and RMR in monosodium-L-glutamate (MSG) obese and saline control mice after 2 weeks treatment with nicotine. Nicotine significantly increased NE turnover, GDP binding, oxygen consumption in BAT, and RMR, and significantly reduced body weight in MSG obese mice as well as in control mice without affecting food intake. These results suggest that nicotine stimulates NE turnover and thermogenesis in BAT, and promotes RMR, all of which contribute to the mitigation of obesity.

That makes sense. So we know NE which increases celluar metabolism, thermogenesis in BAT, lypolysis, glycogenolysis, and fatty acid release can all be achieved by nicotine. I just wonder, if cellular metabolism, metabolic rate, and blood glucose levels are some factors in thyroid output, then why if nicotine can cause this effect through NE stimulation, is thyroid stimulation not present.
 
macrophage69alpha said:
Thermorexin 2-6 caps per day (to tolerance)
Levorex 6 caps per day
sesapure- diet dependant typically 2-4 caps but some dose higher
Glucorell- 1 cap per 30-50 of carbs taken prior to meals
AIFM- low dose 1 pump per day, if you are a bit estrous 1 pump twice a day (most men benefit from mild estrogen suppression especially if you have extra bodyfat)
Yohimburn ES- on stubborn fat areas prior to workout- dosage varies by need (some people like to dose heavy for extra systemic effect)

if you need additional appetite suppression synephrine caps (as needed)
you can take additional ALCAR (though levorex provides a significant amount)-- some people like to dose it high

cardio breeze if you have issues taking thermorexin on an empty stomach (ie for use with AM cardio) - some people like to mix and match CB and t-rex

yo macro...thats pretty much what i was looking for. I was looking to incorporate...

Cardio breeze w/sesapure, levorex, glucorell and alcar together in my stack.

how long do you guys run your stacks? does it really matter how long you go or can you just go with it?
 
turbogreek said:
yo macro...thats pretty much what i was looking for. I was looking to incorporate...

Cardio breeze w/sesapure, levorex, glucorell and alcar together in my stack.

how long do you guys run your stacks? does it really matter how long you go or can you just go with it?

I'll use it until I reach my goal. Thermorexin kicks my ass. I incinerate on that stuff. All top notch.
 
macrophage69alpha said:
most studies indicate that nicotine has no effect on thyroid.

ToxicS
This is why I asked. It wouldn't make sense that nicotine would affect Thyroid Hormones. Thyroid hormones are regulated by a negative feedback loop in body temperature and blood levels. That's not affected by nicotine. I wanted make sure you didn't mean CNS.
 
turbogreek said:
yo macro...thats pretty much what i was looking for. I was looking to incorporate...

Cardio breeze w/sesapure, levorex, glucorell and alcar together in my stack.

how long do you guys run your stacks? does it really matter how long you go or can you just go with it?


sounds good.


they can all be run pretty much indefinitely, over time you may need to adjust your dosage (both up and down) as your need change, but even with the cardio breeze there is little loss of effectiveness even after months of use.

btw- might want to consider the low dose AIFM (there are few that dont benefit from such hormone ratio shifting)
 
macrophage69alpha said:
sounds good.


they can all be run pretty much indefinitely, over time you may need to adjust your dosage (both up and down) as your need change, but even with the cardio breeze there is little loss of effectiveness even after months of use.

btw- might want to consider the low dose AIFM (there are few that dont benefit from such hormone ratio shifting)

well...looks like i know what route i'm gonna go now and gonna probably throw in AIFm too. probably gonna start at the doses stated on the labels and adjust from there.

thanks a lot bros!

happy liftin'
 
turbogreek said:
thanks again macro

The Ultimate Fatboy Makeover Package at the AF Store should include the following:

-AIFM- to remove the manboobs and help the HTPA
-TREX- to boost metabolism
-Green Tea Extract- for anti oxidant and metabolism boosting purposes
-Sesapure- to make him feel like a bottomless pit
-Glucorell- to turn around his inevitable Diabetes
-Oxycalm- to reduce cortisol
-Yohimburn ES- to tighten up the face and the love handles after he loses all the weight

If you're reading this and you're sick and tired of being too embarassed to take off your shirt in public go buy all these things at the AF store and get your goddamn pride back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

T-Matt
 
T-Matt said:
The Ultimate Fatboy Makeover Package at the AF Store should include the following:

-AIFM- to remove the manboobs and help the HTPA
-TREX- to boost metabolism
-Green Tea Extract- for anti oxidant and metabolism boosting purposes
-Sesapure- to make him feel like a bottomless pit
-Glucorell- to turn around his inevitable Diabetes
-Oxycalm- to reduce cortisol
-Yohimburn ES- to tighten up the face and the love handles after he loses all the weight

Nice! :evil:
 
aaaaaaaah...i've been away on business for a few days. didn't wanna place the order until i return.

i should be back tomorrow. hopefully i'll place my order and get everything next week...just in time to run everything with my next cycle which starts in 2 or 3 weeks.
 
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