Well ... continuing to progress.. about 235 now..

[Frackal]

I admit the abs are beginning to disappear.... today I ate:

1,000 calorie shake whey, honey cottage cheese
2 Chinese food meals w/ additional hamburger patties brought along by me for xtra protein
(fuck feel like throwing up typing this)

Took the gloves off on ice cream

peanut butter cup ice cream, 500 cals per cup, BUT no trans fats and minimal saturated fats, 2 hamburger patties, scoop of whey

Gallon whole milk

going to bed soon, have to wake up to knock down last shake of udos/olive oil/cottage cheese


Very sick of food... but happy....

Also, very impressed with:

Deca and Eq
and
Doggcrap's training methods
and
My digestive system who is being a very good sport and I will reward it with a good toxin and colon cleansing after cycle

 

[PHATchik]

Damn. Go Frack.

 

[Pamela]

You are going to eat your self out of house and home.. LOL


j/k Honey..

You are now at 235? WOW!!!!

 

[casavant]

Good job man. Abs are highly overrated anyway.

 

[MrMuscle]

good stuff man. that was only a cheat day right? or do you eat like that all the tim now?

im up to 212 now. WIth the abs you see on the avatar. eating around 4500kcal a day. No cardio, only lifting. and ofcourse keeping it clean still. 235 would be awesome. Keep going man!

 

[Jman88]

Wow. Nice job, keep up the drive.

What has been your experience with DC training so far? I have read so much about it over the last couple of months but I'm currently in week 3 of a test/eq cycle and kinda scared to stray from my current way of training. (similar to Max-OT)

 

[rnch]

Good job man. Abs are highly overrated anyway.

agree 100% ................. where's the pics, frac?

 

[c3bodybuilding]

Great work bro! Sounds like you got it all under control. You will love that cycle.

Getting all the food down is hard. Sometimes I eat so much I can just cough once and feel like it's going to come up. But it's the only way.

Keep it up, and pretty soon you will be telling us how you just hit 260!

 

[Jimsbbc]

Frack are you using slin? I cut it out after a few weeks bc i got so bloated. I plan on hitting 255 again on this one, only i will be under 10% BF. I only have 20lbs to go and 6weeks so maybe i'll post pics in may.

 

[Frackal]

Yes I am, but only 2x a week, and 2 shots on those days... it's working well, not using it straight through cycle... also, feel somewhat sluggish but still good at 235.. Will be done with week 4 of cycle tomorrow, making me about 1/2 way done.

 

[nclifter6feet6]

good stuff man. that was only a cheat day right? or do you eat like that all the tim now?

im up to 212 now. WIth the abs you see on the avatar. eating around 4500kcal a day. No cardio, only lifting. and ofcourse keeping it clean still. 235 would be awesome. Keep going man!

geez man how the fuck you eat that much and stay only 212 pounds with no cardio?

are you natural or juicin?

 

[gwl9dta4]

geez man how the fuck you eat that much and stay only 212 pounds with no cardio?

are you natural or juicin?

Everyone metabolises food at different rates, his metabolism is very inefficient in terms of survival but great for staying lean. I only ate about 3000-3500 cals daily to get to about 280, my body really burns calories very slowly.

 

[nclifter6feet6]

Everyone metabolises food at different rates, his metabolism is very inefficient in terms of survival but great for staying lean. I only ate about 3000-3500 cals daily to get to about 280, my body really burns calories very slowly.

i have to eat about 1500 to maintain 225

 

[gwl9dta4]

i have to eat about 1500 to maintain 225

It's cool, we're lucky and don't have to gorge ourselves with food. I can cut at 2000-2500 cals per day not be full as hell, and i currently weight about 235. It's really a blessing.

But i had some problems in the beginning as i followed the standard guidelines and discovered that i got fat real easy and could not understand why as none of the typical calorie charts applied to me in terms od calories needed, they all way over-estimated my food intake.

 

[Jimsbbc]

I know a guy whose diet is beer and buffalo wings and weighs 315, so what's the difference?

 

[gwl9dta4]

I know a guy whose diet is beer and buffalo wings and weighs 315, so what's the difference?

Not sure what you mean

 

[The Shadow]

Also, very impressed with:

Deca and Eq

...interesting combo - imo you would do even better with test/eq of fina/eg

 

[VooDoo Lady]

how about some pics?

 

[nclifter6feet6]

It's cool, we're lucky and don't have to gorge ourselves with food. I can cut at 2000-2500 cals per day not be full as hell, and i currently weight about 235. It's really a blessing.

But i had some problems in the beginning as i followed the standard guidelines and discovered that i got fat real easy and could not understand why as none of the typical calorie charts applied to me in terms od calories needed, they all way over-estimated my food intake.

i only require about 60 grams of protien too keep muscle

 

[MrMuscle]

geez man how the fuck you eat that much and stay only 212 pounds with no cardio?

are you natural or juicin?

Yeah im natural, so i dont really feel im "only" 212.
ANd i happy i can eat a lot, i like food.
But i keep it ultra clean.

 

[nclifter6feet6]

Yeah im natural, so i dont really feel im "only" 212.
ANd i happy i can eat a lot, i like food.
But i keep it ultra clean.

damn im bigger than that and have to starve my self to get to 225 at 1000 - 1500 calories. im not fat the weight just doesnt budge

 

[Ceebs]

I admit the abs are beginning to disappear.... today I ate:

You have a dirty trick-ass ho bastard metabolism. I hate you.

(And I mean that in the nicest possible way. )

 

[Frackal]

Let's get naked together and I can attempt to pass some of my genes onto you orally

 

[PatsFan34]

Let's get naked together and I can attempt to pass some of my genes onto you orally

Quality come back!!!

 

[40butpumpin]

Frac how tall are you?

 

[thebabydoc]

Frack, you're like 20, right?

Just out of curiosity, how much do you suppose you'll weigh when you're 25, move out of your mom's house, and can't afford to use (or can no longer tolerate) the multiple drug regimen you're on?

Seriously, congrats on achieving your short-term goals, though.

NOT a flame bro, just questioning how completely you've thought this whole thing through...

 

[Frackal]

6' tall ... live with father... multiple drug regimen? Aside from light slin use, 600 deca and 600 eq a week is very minor... once I reach my goals, (which this is the perfect time to achieve) than I have no doubts that a few yearly cycles of var/light test and maybe some eq or occasional insulin will suit me fine... as far as affording it, I work at GNC right now, there is a reasonable chancep that this is the most broke I'll ever be.

 

[Paulos]

Good shit Frack, Props.


Hows the penis on that much Deca?

 

[Frackal]

Not that bad at all... should add taking a modest 125mg test / week for that...this may be in your future bro ...embrace the deca... on an upside, this cycle is definitely superior to my test only + proscar cycle even at 850mg a week

 

[Paulos]

Fuck Deca, I am never using anything that is wang suppressing in any form again.

I feel like a god damn girl most of the time now, it's starting to get back to normal but for a while I was fagging it up p60 style.

 

[MasterChief]

once I reach my goals, (which this is the perfect time to achieve) than I have no doubts that a few yearly cycles of var/light test and maybe some eq or occasional insulin will suit me fine.

You will never lower the doses, you will always seek to be bigger than you are right now, therefore you will not wan't to do light cycles. Even if after this one you feel "big", chances are that in a year or two you will get bored and start stacking for an even freakier body composition which requires higher doses.

Ahh. Its the bodybuilder's lifestyle. Props to you if you manage to stay on the safe side. I know I couldn't.

 

[Frackal]

Cant use high dose test.... deca is your friend ... tren is mega harsh

 

[Lestat]

Re: Re: Well ... continuing to progress.. about 235 now..

You have a dirty trick-ass ho bastard metabolism. I hate you.

(And I mean that in the nicest possible way. )

Its posts like that which remind me why I like you so much.. how do you come up with that stuff!

 

[IhateOsama]

Cant use high dose test.... deca is your friend ... tren is mega harsh

Good job Frackel. Your finally getting up there with us big boys.

 

[Lestat]

Pics?

 

[Frackal]

Buy me a:

Working USB hub
Working CD/DVD player

and I will send you pics

otherwise I will have to wait until I get a new pc (few months) because this one is complete shit. the paypal of pcs

 

[The Shadow]

Cant use high dose test.... deca is your friend ... tren is mega harsh

lol

Deca will be your enemy by week 7-12......

tren - mega harsh??

How is it any more harsh(75 mg ED) than say 1200 mg total androgens per week?

 

[Paulos]

lol

Deca will be your enemy by week 7-12......

tren - mega harsh??

How is it any more harsh(75 mg ED) than say 1200 mg total androgens per week?

Can't just dump it together like that kneegrow, I had little to no hairloss on 500mg Test/400EQ/350mg Winstrol.

500mg Test/525mg Fina murdered my ass...20-40 came out a day.

 

[The Shadow]

Can't just dump it together like that kneegrow, I had little to no hairloss on 500mg Test/400EQ/350mg Winstrol.

500mg Test/525mg Fina murdered my ass...20-40 came out a day.

I am not suprised but that is not the point of my post.....

I am referring to total mg dosage as it applies to liver function.

my point is that fina is about 2x as androgenic as test...so 75 mg a day - theoretically = 525 mg per week......the same as his dose of test at 600 mg a week, when you add 600 mg of EQ on top of that, I feel that liver profiles will be the same.

YOu doing 525 of fina - converts to about 1000 of test plus another 500 of test proper = lots of hair loss - no wonder.

Again - imo 75 mg of Fina per day is certainly no worse than 600 test/600 deca(EQ)

 

[Zander1983]

Gotta love eating like that.

I want to be big. I will be big

 

[Paulos]

I thought Fina was 3x as Androgenic as test, 2x as Anabolic.

I understand what you mean but I think there are other factors too - when I lost hair it came out in patches sort of, hairline did not receed at all...


This was originally posted by buffdoc...

Below is a post I made at the end of a thread on sudden hair loss with Fina. I've also heard similar accounts w/ primo, winny, test, etc.
Only one response, from Frackal, regarding an additional, more definitive post on hair loss. Will do it if there's interest, but will take some work on my part, so I want to make sure I'm not pissing in the wind
Will discuss male pattern baldness, impact of AAS, medical treatments, etc, if you want me to.


OK, this is NOT MPB (androgenetic alopecia), if the hair is falling out that fast. I read a lot here about "I used such and such AAS for so many weeks and started losing my hair, then I quit and it came back, thank God".
AA, or Androgenetic Alopecia (common male pattern baldness) is a progressive process of miniaturization of the hairs, under the influence of genetics and androgens, and time. Under these influences, with each cycle of hair growth (resting stage: telogen and growth stage:anagen) the anagen phase gets shorter and shorter, and the hair becomes finer and loses length. Eventually, after a number of cycles, the hair becomes baby fine and then is lost for good.
AA does NOT occur as a sudden "falling out" of the hair. However, there is an entity known as "telogen effluvium" (TE), which is essentially a mass shedding (many of the hairs simultaneously go into the telogen, or resting, phase, and fall out). This almost always comes back after the precipitating stress is over.
TE is more common in women (think: post pregnancy hair loss, etc), but can occur w/ men too. Any stress can stimulate this reaction: trauma, surgery, burns, emotional stress; also, the most commonly known one: cancer chemotherapy!
Perhaps Fina is such a stressor!?
At any rate, because of its nature, TE is NOT helped by finasteride, minoxidil, Nizoral, etc, as was correctly stated. Only time will tell.
My point here is that these tales of RAPID hair shedding under the influence of AAS are not AA; they are something else.
Let me know if anyone's interested in a longer, more complete post about the state of the art in hair loss and hair preservation/replacement in the future. It's a side interest of mine: I gave 3 lectures at the recent meeting of the International Society of Hair Restoration Surgery in October.
If there's a lot of interest, I'll put together a post; O/W, I'll chill into the New Year!
Best to everybody...


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I'm not saying I am positive this is what happened to me but it just shows that you can't always just line up androgen values (Not that I dispute what you are saying - it does make sense and is a good way to base things on), I am just saying people react differently to differently so he 75mg of Fina a day is certainly no worse statement may be true for you, but not everyone.


I'm not even sure what my point is anymore or whether I had one, it's late and I'm going to bed.

 

[The Shadow]

lol


again - I was referring to stess on the liver - not the hairline.

 

[Paulos]

lol


again - I was referring to stess on the liver - not the hairline.

Fuck you, it's late.

 

[Paulos]

Just as a last chance to make sure I'm not completely retarted, Frackal were you referring to hair when you said that Tren is "Mega Harsh"?


Either way I just wasted 15 minutes finding that stupid post by buffdoc to try to say something that I can't even remember anymore. That 15 minutes could have been spent looking at porn.

 

[Frackal]

Actually I was referring to both hair and hpta suppression

 

[The Shadow]

hpta and hair I would be inclined to agree with on the fina...but - remember Fina will shut downthe hpta quickly...but beyond that...shut down is shut down...and fina DOES have the benefit of a quick acting acetate ester so that the levels will ramp down very quickly in the body making it EASIER for hpta to come backonline in terms of it clearing the body much faster than an enanthate, cyp, bolend and especially a decanoate ester.