Welcome to Dubya's emerging theocracy

[Longhorn85]

So is this a "Bash Bush" thread or a "Butt Sex" thread?

At any rate, Bush was open about his religious convictions during the election, so I don't see why anyone would be surprised at this. He was still elected and will clearly be re-elected.

 

[Silent Method]

Over the last two weeks, President George W. Bush has delivered several speeches laced with references to his religious beliefs.

Welcome to America.

 

[musclebrains]

Even as a Bush supporter, I am also quite concerned with his religious overzealousness.

Prime example is his appointment of Dr. W. David Hager to head up the FDA's Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee. Dr. Hager is a practicing Ob/Gyn who describes himself as "pro-life" and refuses to prescribe contraceptives to unmarried women. He is the author of "As Jesus Cared for Women: Restoring Women Then and Now." His record on women's health issues is appalling.
In short, Dubya's appointment of Hager shows that he will go to any and all lengths to promote and entrench his religious causes (anti-abortion in this particular case).

Very, very concerning stuff.

But he seems to like the Jews, so I'm ok with him.

He likes Israelis. I'm not sure he likes Jews.

I read about Hager's religious background yesterday. An appalling example of the way Dubya is using the state to advance religious agendas. Don't forget that Ashcroft, who leads prayer meetings in the White House, tried to suspend euthanasia laws in states that have legalized it.

 

[musclebrains]

So is this a "Bash Bush" thread or a "Butt Sex" thread?

At any rate, Bush was open about his religious convictions during the election, so I don't see why anyone would be surprised at this. He was still elected and will clearly be re-elected.

Jimmy Carter was also religious but he did not install fundamentalists in positions of government authority. The disturbing thing is not his convictions but his transgression of the doctrine of the separation of state and church.

 

[musclebrains]

Have you ever fantacized about a clown giving it to ya?

Lipstick blow jobs?

 

[bigguns7]

Even as a Bush supporter, I am also quite concerned with his religious overzealousness.

Prime example is his appointment of Dr. W. David Hager to head up the FDA's Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee. Dr. Hager is a practicing Ob/Gyn who describes himself as "pro-life" and refuses to prescribe contraceptives to unmarried women. He is the author of "As Jesus Cared for Women: Restoring Women Then and Now." His record on women's health issues is appalling.
In short, Dubya's appointment of Hager shows that he will go to any and all lengths to promote and entrench his religious causes (anti-abortion in this particular case).

Very, very concerning stuff.

But he seems to like the Jews, so I'm ok with him.

I've seen all the controversy on this. What you'v forgotten to do is exactly what the liberals who brought the story to the surface forgot to do - mention that this doctor is a FOREMOST expert in his field.

Not that I'm disagreeing with you that choosing Hager isn't controversial, I just wish people would present all the facts, not just the ones to support their viewpoint.

here are some excerpts:

1)Dr. Hager has a special interest and expertise in Infectious Diseases in Obstetrics & Gynecology, and has gained national and international recognition for his work in this area. He was President of Infectious Diseases Society for Obstetrics and Gynecology from 1996-1998. He was also named as one of the "Best Doctors in America" in both 1994 and 1996.

2)The Time piece mentions in its lead that Hager is the author of a book called As Jesus Cared for Women: Restoring Women Then and Now. It also mentions that he wrote a book with his wife called Stress and the Woman's Body, "which puts 'an emphasis on the restorative power of Jesus Christ in one's life.'" True. True. Of course, they don't mention any of his non-religion-focused books or his peer-reviewed articles. No mention, for instance, of the two textbooks he's edited, both published by well-regarded medical publishers (Infection Protocols for Obstetrics and Gynecology, Medical Economics, 1992, and Protocols for Infectious Diseases in Obstetrics and Gynecology, Blackwell Science, 1999), or other mainstream, standard medical textbooks he's written for. No consideration of his work that has been published in the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology, the Journal of Reproductive Medicine, or the Journal of the American Medical Association.

And let's not forget that he is one of 11 doctors that sits on this panel, and he really has no more power than any of the rest of them.

There is tons more if the facts actually interest you at all.

 

[Baby Gorilla]

Irony....

....Why the double standard? Bush's religious aspect as a by product give him a strong sense of morality, and a by product of that strong morality is a strong spine. A strong spine is essential for an effective leader, especially in tumultous times....

What a wonderful double standard America has.

Religious freedom....so long as you supress yourself.

As a Christian, we knew (as a group) that Bush wasn't "one of us" per se. I believe his faith in God and Jesus is sincere, but if he really was "one of us," he'd never have made it to the White House. The powerbrokers of this world do not like Christians or really any other religion. So, Bush had to sell out on many principles to get the support of those who make winning the election possible. There's just too much a devout Christian will not do that bans them from politics as it's now practiced.

What also bothers me is while I see the concern of a religious zealot being a nation's leader, look what the great Atheists of history have done....Hitler, Stalin, Chairman Mao.... Not a stunning agrument for keeping religious beliefs completely out of politics.

 

[musclebrains]

Wow.....I can't even imagine how the Jew York Times could write something like that. God forbid someone isnt a jew but has a faith of their own. You know a "stein" had to write it.

Yeah, that must explain it. Bush is sooooooooo anti-Israel.

 

[Testosterone boy]

Oh? She enjoyed it so much, you now want to take it up the ass youself? Kewl.

You know.....I have wondered how many gay men started out by banging the g/f in the back door. I'll bet a large percentage.

 

[atlantabiolab]

Of course, presidents from George Washington on have invoked God's name to protect the nation in times of war and to comfort it in times of tragedy. And when, in a 1999 presidential debate, Mr. Bush said Christ was his favorite philosopher, "because he changed my heart," some saw it as a blatant bid for the evangelical vote.

This paragraph is hilarious. It tries to make the assertion that somehow Bush is unique in his expression of his religion, and that former presidents only used the reference of religion for political reasons.

I have sometimes thought there could not be a stronger testimony in favor of religion or against temporal enjoyments, even the most rational and manly, than for men who occupy the most honorable and gainful departments and [who] are rising in reputation and wealth, publicly to declare their unsatisfactoriness by becoming fervent advocates in the cause of Christ; and I wish you may give in your evidence in this way. [2]

James Madison

Not to mention that, L. Ron Hubbard forbid, Bush was pandering to Christian voters. We all know that politicians never cater to special interests. Democrats never suck up to minorities and perpetuate falsities concerning the evil white male.

The author basically is stating that Christians are not to voice their opinions or cast their vote, because we know that they are all secretly yearning for an oppressive theocracy. Only blacks, gays, and feminists have the moral interests of the nation.