Ways to improve HDL/LDL ratio while on roids

[Realgains]

Bill llewellyn, author of anabolics2000&2002 recommends Nolvadex 20mg/day during a cycle, which acts like an estrogen in the liver to increase HDL. He also says that the 17aa roids are worse for shifting the HDL/LDL ratio.

What else can we do/take that will help this?

Obviously a low cholesterol diet that is still high in protein and cardiovascular exercise, but are there other things we can do. WHAT ABOUT OMEGA 3 OIL (flax)

 

[nautica]

Nolvadex will hender gains. Stay away from it if possible.

Nautica

 

[slowgain]

I'd like to know too, since I'm on winny and var. I take niacin along with flax and low cholesterol diet, what else?

 

[Realgains]

Oh ya I forgot about Niacin..thanks for bring this up.

 

[Realgains]

Slowgain...how much Niacin do you take?

 

[slowgain]

Since I'm on winny I take 500mg a day. I break it up into two doses to avoid flushing.

 

[Realgains]

Nautica.... it would be wise to use the Nolvadex for two reasons....one has already been stated by Bill llewellyn and the other is to prevent gyno.

One of the worst bits of advice for the newbie is to take the Nolva ONCE YOU START FEELING THE ITCH OR TENDER NIPS...often time this is too late bro. The estrogen has already binded to the receptors then you need Arimidex and Arimidex may not help either.

I would have to say that the vast majority of top bodybuilders always use Nolvadex right from the get go of each cycle....at least this has been what I have noted.
Will Nolvadex hinder gains.....well, maybe a little but it is unlikely that one will notice it.

 

[doggmann]

i use niacin, fish oil (omega 3&6), garlic, and oatmeal...

 

[South of the border]

Some stuff I do year round for general health and to keep a good ratio of good to bad cholesterol levels:

-EFA (hemp oil is the best)
-High fiber diet
-Regular cardio activity
-A good mulit vitamin and mineral containing all the B complex vitamins.

I recommend all the above as some year-round supplements to use (plus milk thislte if you use steroids).

 

[Realgains]

South of the Border tell me more about Milk Thistle

 

[VANIAN]

Here's some info I found on the net....

"Also, because oral steroids can decrease the "good" HDL cholesterol and increase the "bad" LDL cholesterol, oral steroids can increase the risk of cardiovascular disease (CVD). If you use oral anabolic steroids consider taking 400 to 800 IU of Vitamin E, and 1,000 to 2,000 mg. of Vitamin C with each meal. These vitamin antioxidants help to protect cholesterol from the oxidation that is associated with CVD. "