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xenobears

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Waxy Maize + Protein Shake

So I just ordered this stuff from nutraplanet and it came in, but I noticed that it didn't have a nutrition info on it, and I was wondering how many scoops I take and how many calories it is.

Secondly, As of right now I do 6 days of cardio in the morning on an empty stomach (only thing i have is eca and multivit prior to working out), but I also plan to add lifting in the evenings mon/wed/fri. Should I be taking waxy maize after just lifting, or anytime i workout? Same goes for protein shake, if I'm working out twice a day should I be taking it twice after both my workouts?

Also, I'm just about out on my protein shake and I'm looking to buy another one. Right now I take Isopure, but the taste is a little bleh and it doesn't seem to mix very well. I was wondering if i should keep taking it or is there a better shake available?
 
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Waxy Maize is about 120 calories a scoop. It has about 30g of carbs per scoop. You should use it POST WEIGHT LIFTING. Mix 75g HGI carbs with 2 scoops of WM along with aminos/creatine. No protein powder. It is too heavy and wont rush through your blood stream as fast. 20 mins later drink a protein shake.

Take a protein shake OR meal post cardio 5-10 min.

It seems that you are doing A LOT of cardio. Are you taking aminos with the eac stack? If not most likely you're tearing down muscle as well as fat.

Isopure is fine. If you don't like the taste try something different. ON is a good, cheap powder.
 
All The Whey tastes GREAT and is fat free and only 1g of carbs. Would be a nice choice with the Waxy!
 
syringemouth said:
Waxy Maize is about 120 calories a scoop. It has about 30g of carbs per scoop. You should use it POST WEIGHT LIFTING. Mix 75g HGI carbs with 2 scoops of WM along with aminos/creatine. No protein powder. It is too heavy and wont rush through your blood stream as fast. 20 mins later drink a protein shake.

Take a protein shake OR meal post cardio 5-10 min.

It seems that you are doing A LOT of cardio. Are you taking aminos with the eac stack? If not most likely you're tearing down muscle as well as fat.

Isopure is fine. If you don't like the taste try something different. ON is a good, cheap powder.
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Well I'm still trying to lose weight. I weighed 292 back in August and I'm 239 right now. Still looking to drop down to the 215-220 range. The only supplements I am taking right now is ECA, Multivitamin, Protein Shake and soon to start on WM. If anyone has any helpful supps for me I'll definately take a look at them.
 
xenobears said:
Well I'm still trying to lose weight. I weighed 292 back in August and I'm 239 right now. Still looking to drop down to the 215-220 range. The only supplements I am taking right now is ECA, Multivitamin, Protein Shake and soon to start on WM. If anyone has any helpful supps for me I'll definately take a look at them.
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2 scoops of WM PWO only since your cutting and 15 - 20 mins later Isolate shake.

If you don't like Isopure I use EAS it mixes very well and I dont hate the taste plus I like EAS as a main stream supp as it is.
 
2 scoops of WM only for PWO immediate after workout then 20 minutes later protein shake. u can mix the WM with a little bit of crystal light for flavor.
 
8and20 said:
2 scoops of WM only for PWO immediate after workout then 20 minutes later protein shake. u can mix the WM with a little bit of crystal light for flavor.
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Any workout? Or just lift? I've gotten both responses but you seem to be good with this stuff.
 
8and20 said:
2 scoops of WM only for PWO immediate after workout then 20 minutes later protein shake. u can mix the WM with a little bit of crystal light for flavor.
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Why can't you mix the whey with the WM and drink them both right after Workout?
 
Elementality said:
Why can't you mix the whey with the WM and drink them both right after Workout?
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u can if u want. the protein will slow down the absorption of the WM.
 
8and20 said:
u can if u want. the protein will slow down the absorption of the WM.
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Hey 8 I've been using the Waxy 10 min PWO and Isolate 25 min PWO but also...

Waxy First drink of the morning then 30 min later Isolate cause I use Isolate in the mornings of course, is this a waste or bulking my belly to much per say? Morning Carbs are a good place right? So why wouldnt I use the WM PWO and Mornings?
 
Maybe someone can help me out here..... I'm about to start taking WM... but it seems like doing so with 75g of a sugar source is driving my carbs through the roof... its 75g of empty carbs... Does anyone have a low carb solution to go with the high sugar intake? or is it just something I am going to have to accept and plan my diet around?
 
Basikstylz said:
Maybe someone can help me out here..... I'm about to start taking WM... but it seems like doing so with 75g of a sugar source is driving my carbs through the roof... its 75g of empty carbs... Does anyone have a low carb solution to go with the high sugar intake? or is it just something I am going to have to accept and plan my diet around?
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Wait where are these 75 sugar carbs coming from?
 
silverskyline said:
Wait where are these 75 sugar carbs coming from?
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From my understanding your supposed to take 75g of sugar with ur WM to get the insulin spike that rushes the WM etc to the muscles.

The 75g would be from mixing with juice... crystal light... things like that.

But thats just what I have picked up... I could be wrong/ or missunderstood what I read.
 
Basikstylz said:
From my understanding your supposed to take 75g of sugar with ur WM to get the insulin spike that rushes the WM etc to the muscles.

The 75g would be from mixing with juice... crystal light... things like that.

But thats just what I have picked up... I could be wrong/ or missunderstood what I read.
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Naw just mix it with water and you'll be fine. The juice is to eliminate the taste which really isnt bad anyhow. I'd just take it with water and you'll be good
 
silverskyline said:
Naw just mix it with water and you'll be fine. The juice is to eliminate the taste which really isnt bad anyhow. I'd just take it with water and you'll be good
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Not that I don't believe you... I'm sure you have more knowledge on this than I do. I have just been getting mixed messages on this. Anyone else care to chime in and help me avoid the extra cals? Or is it just that the sugar helps but is not needed?
 
silverskyline said:
Naw just mix it with water and you'll be fine. The juice is to eliminate the taste which really isnt bad anyhow. I'd just take it with water and you'll be good
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Wrong. The sugar in the juice is to create an insulin spike in your body, thus transfering everything through the body at a break neck speed. Not using a simple sugar would be conterproductive.

"I have been fortunate enough to work with people who design diet and supplement routines for pro athletes and they were kind enough to share some wisdom" - Slat1

This is a DIRECT quote from the man himself and the base of my information.
 
syringemouth said:
Wrong. The sugar in the juice is to create an insulin spike in your body, thus transfering everything through the body at a break neck speed. Not using a simple sugar would be conterproductive.

"I have been fortunate enough to work with people who design diet and supplement routines for pro athletes and they were kind enough to share some wisdom" - Slat1

This is a DIRECT quote from the man himself and the base of my information.
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I'm totally confused now. Not sure if I should be taking WM alone or add something to it, everyone seems to have a different answer :evil:
 
8and20 said:
u can if u want. the protein will slow down the absorption of the WM.
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Obviously you now what ur doing from your avatar.

what about adding however BCAA's, glutamine, and creatine to the waxy.

I bought these the first two a while ago for first time, haven't really noticed any benefit, but have to use it anyway, so wondering if this useful way
 
syringemouth said:
Wrong. The sugar in the juice is to create an insulin spike in your body, thus transfering everything through the body at a break neck speed. Not using a simple sugar would be conterproductive.

"I have been fortunate enough to work with people who design diet and supplement routines for pro athletes and they were kind enough to share some wisdom" - Slat1

This is a DIRECT quote from the man himself and the base of my information.
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Thje entire point of using WM is to create an Insulin spike thats why you take it 20 mins before Isolate
 
Sim882 said:
Obviously you now what ur doing from your avatar.

what about adding however BCAA's, glutamine, and creatine to the waxy.

I bought these the first two a while ago for first time, haven't really noticed any benefit, but have to use it anyway, so wondering if this useful way
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BCAA's are great but you dont need them with protein or meals because you already have complete proteins in. Those BCAAs are branch chain and help to construct proteins. Thing is your gonna take a shake right after the WM. BCAAs are good for PWO and morning or right before bed just try to keep them away from food cause it would be a waste basically.

Drinking creatine with sugar and WM sould in essence actuially help the rate and volume at which the creatine is absorbed so I'd go for it.

However taking Creatine and Glutamine together they tend to fight for cells to utalize for production so I would not mix the glut with the creatine.

Does that help Sim?
 
silverskyline said:
BCAA's are great but you dont need them with protein or meals because you already have complete proteins in. Those BCAAs are branch chain and help to construct proteins. Thing is your gonna take a shake right after the WM. BCAAs are good for PWO and morning or right before bed just try to keep them away from food cause it would be a waste basically.

Drinking creatine with sugar and WM sould in essence actuially help the rate and volume at which the creatine is absorbed so I'd go for it.

However taking Creatine and Glutamine together they tend to fight for cells to utalize for production so I would not mix the glut with the creatine.

Does that help Sim?
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So you say not to have Protein until 20 minutes after consuming WM.
But how long do you work out for? And how long do you eat before you workout?

I usually try to eat half hour before workout. Somtimes it can be and hour or more though. Then Im usually in the gym for a bit over 2 hours. Not working out all that time, but long rests. So from the time I eat Pre Work Out to the time of my PWO meal, it could possibly be 4 hours with out Protein. That couldnt be to good could it, what should I do in this case? Or will all that time with out food let the WM digest better, making the time I consume my PWO Protein Shake quicker afterwards?
 
rather than go tru post by post, here's a summary:

> you dont take WMS (or any other hi molecular weight carb) with sugar or dextrose. WMS is all you need - it's a carb and it spikes insulin to comparable levels as dextrose, but is much more quickly absorbed. 70-90 gr PWO. Because of its molecular weight and fast GI transit time, it will also pull other supps into your bloodstream and drive them into muscle cells quickly and efficiently.

as 8and20 said, dont take your protein with it, because that slows the absorption and then you might as well just be using dextrose.

take BCAA's creatine and glutamine with it. they will be pulled into your bloodstream qiuckly by the WMS and not slow its absorption.

after 10 minutes, THEN take in your whey protein (30-50 gr)

-pre workout, you might be better off with complex carbs to fuel your workout (about 60 min prior). alittle during WO with bcaa/glutamine is OK, but you dont want to spike insulin durng your workout because that will blunt the release of endogenous HGH in response to excercize.
 
deathdroprob said:
So you say not to have Protein until 20 minutes after consuming WM.
But how long do you work out for? And how long do you eat before you workout?

I usually try to eat half hour before workout. Somtimes it can be and hour or more though. Then Im usually in the gym for a bit over 2 hours. Not working out all that time, but long rests. So from the time I eat Pre Work Out to the time of my PWO meal, it could possibly be 4 hours with out Protein. That couldnt be to good could it, what should I do in this case? Or will all that time with out food let the WM digest better, making the time I consume my PWO Protein Shake quicker afterwards?
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When I'm going to be in the gym for extended periods of time I generally mix a WM with water shake and take it with me so about the last 20 mins of my work out I start to drink it then right when i get home the second I do I make my my Isolate shake.

I'm crazy about that shit if i wait more than 30 min after I leave the doors of the gym and I havnt had my shake I get pissy lol.

But yeah thats one way i get around it, mostly I wait and seperate them cause yeah it helps with digestion and allows for the insulin spike to generate from your pancreas then hit it with good ol protein!

But in all honesty if you take your WM the second you leave the gym it wont kill you to wait 15 or 20 mins after to take your shake I mean thats a shake 15 mins prior to your lift you can still be in an anabolic state.
 
Mavafanculo said:
rather than go tru post by post, here's a summary:

> you dont take WMS (or any other hi molecular weight carb) with sugar or dextrose. WMS is all you need - it's a carb and it spikes insulin to comparable levels as dextrose, but is much more quickly absorbed. 70-90 gr PWO. Because of its molecular weight and fast GI transit time, it will also pull other supps into your bloodstream and drive them into muscle cells quickly and efficiently.

as 8and20 said, dont take your protein with it, because that slows the absorption and then you might as well just be using dextrose.

take BCAA's creatine and glutamine with it. they will be pulled into your bloodstream qiuckly by the WMS and not slow its absorption.

after 10 minutes, THEN take in your whey protein (30-50 gr)

-pre workout, you might be better off with complex carbs to fuel your workout (about 60 min prior). alittle during WO with bcaa/glutamine is OK, but you dont want to spike insulin durng your workout because that will blunt the release of endogenous HGH in response to excercize.
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Perfect thank you, this is exactly what I have been attempting to put out just per post.

WM spikes Insulin no need for sugar
WM helps the delivery of creatine and others
WM should be taken seperate from your Isolate

Only thing I would add is that glutamine and creatine do fight for cells, personally I would tweek it to take the creatine with the WM and the glutamine with the shake...thats just me
 
silverskyline said:
Hey 8 I've been using the Waxy 10 min PWO and Isolate 25 min PWO but also...

Waxy First drink of the morning then 30 min later Isolate cause I use Isolate in the mornings of course, is this a waste or bulking my belly to much per say? Morning Carbs are a good place right? So why wouldnt I use the WM PWO and Mornings?
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a fast digesting carb is a good idea after a long sleep. i dont think u need WM but it is a choice.
 
Sim882 said:
Obviously you now what ur doing from your avatar.

what about adding however BCAA's, glutamine, and creatine to the waxy.

I bought these the first two a while ago for first time, haven't really noticed any benefit, but have to use it anyway, so wondering if this useful way
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i would add all 3.
 
8and20 said:
a fast digesting carb is a good idea after a long sleep. i dont think u need WM but it is a choice.
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I HAVE MY OATMEAL IN MILK AND EGGS AS WELL BUT THATS AFTER CAUSE I WANT MY PROTEIN ASAP SO I JUST USE THAT, plus it's like 30 bucks for a months supply even at that rate.
 
Basikstylz said:
From my understanding your supposed to take 75g of sugar with ur WM to get the insulin spike that rushes the WM etc to the muscles.

The 75g would be from mixing with juice... crystal light... things like that.

But thats just what I have picked up... I could be wrong/ or missunderstood what I read.
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BTW my crystal light has no sugar in it and very few cals.
 
it may not be as important for you since u r having casein at night.

silverskyline said:
I HAVE MY OATMEAL IN MILK AND EGGS AS WELL BUT THATS AFTER CAUSE I WANT MY PROTEIN ASAP SO I JUST USE THAT, plus it's like 30 bucks for a months supply even at that rate.
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I just order some WM for the first time.

Im adding this to my PP Ultimate Lean Muscle Stack combo w/ Lipoflame & RAW MCC.

I ordered 10lbs of Aussie Casenate & 10lbs of ON Whey, also some INSTONE Pudding and some Carb Sense Bars.

My house looks like a supplement shop :-)

-Legacy
 
DJLegacy2k1 said:
I just order some WM for the first time.

Im adding this to my PP Ultimate Lean Muscle Stack combo w/ Lipoflame & RAW MCC.

I ordered 10lbs of Aussie Casenate & 10lbs of ON Whey, also some INSTONE Pudding and some Carb Sense Bars.

My house looks like a supplement shop :-)

-Legacy
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HAHAH I've been there it gets costly I just dropped 90 bucks on the lipo stack a second ago and I still need to order 7lbs of whey thats just to get started.


8 yeah I have been slackin on the ceasin :~/ I hate cottage cheese sooo much it's rough and I keep forgetting it at work. I want to order the ceasin powder but damn all these supps are tappin me out.

almost out of the nolva dermacrine and volumizer which all cost 230 for a month I should be massive for that price!
 
Try something like cream of wheat or rice krispies to jack u up in the morning.

silverskyline said:
HAHAH I've been there it gets costly I just dropped 90 bucks on the lipo stack a second ago and I still need to order 7lbs of whey thats just to get started.


8 yeah I have been slackin on the ceasin :~/ I hate cottage cheese sooo much it's rough and I keep forgetting it at work. I want to order the ceasin powder but damn all these supps are tappin me out.

almost out of the nolva dermacrine and volumizer which all cost 230 for a month I should be massive for that price!
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silverskyline said:
BCAA's are great but you dont need them with protein or meals because you already have complete proteins in. Those BCAAs are branch chain and help to construct proteins. Thing is your gonna take a shake right after the WM. BCAAs are good for PWO and morning or right before bed just try to keep them away from food cause it would be a waste basically.

Drinking creatine with sugar and WM sould in essence actuially help the rate and volume at which the creatine is absorbed so I'd go for it.

However taking Creatine and Glutamine together they tend to fight for cells to utalize for production so I would not mix the glut with the creatine.

Does that help Sim?
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Thanks
 
8and20 said:
Try something like cream of wheat or rice krispies to jack u up in the morning.
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I snack on those ALL the time!
 
I LOVE xsportsnutrition....I just ordered more INSTONE PUDDING from them cuz they get it here in like 2 days! I ordered WM from someone else but I might have to look into getting that stuff from them also. I just started using them a couple months ago! Good prices, GREAT shipping!

Ill have to check out them for some things like WM next time!

-Legacy
 
Does anyone know if it's ok to use WaxyMaize and 20 minutes later use BSN's True Mass??? The True Mass has like 70g of carbs already and I've been using that as my PWO protein shake as of late. Can you still be ok with 140g of carbs taken within 30 minutes of your workout???
 
8and20 said:
2 scoops of WM only for PWO immediate after workout then 20 minutes later protein shake. u can mix the WM with a little bit of crystal light for flavor.
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good idea with the crystal light, not that it is really bad tasting but it would taste better for sure.
 
One more quick thing cause I'm going to take WM for the first time today. How many oz of water should I use for 2 scoops?
 
xenobears said:
One more quick thing cause I'm going to take WM for the first time today. How many oz of water should I use for 2 scoops?
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I use a half liter (16.9 oz) bottle and it works well. 16oz should do the trick.
 
Sry to beat a dead horse but...does anyone take the wm from nutraplanet? cause there is no nutrition label, and idk how to write down for my cals and g of carb cause i looked around and it's pretty variant
 
xenobears said:
Sry to beat a dead horse but...does anyone take the wm from nutraplanet? cause there is no nutrition label, and idk how to write down for my cals and g of carb cause i looked around and it's pretty variant
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generally (except for flavored WM - usually they add a little sugar to that) of all the different WM brands i have seen 1 scoop is 120 cals with 30g of carbs. there probably is some variance depending on brands but i have seen this common serving over and over again. i did a quick search and couldnt find their nutritional info. all they say is to take 75g but it doesnt say how many scoops that is.
 
8and20 said:
generally (except for flavored WM - usually they add a little sugar to that) of all the different WM brands i have seen 1 scoop is 120 cals with 30g of carbs. there probably is some variance depending on brands but i have seen this common serving over and over again. i did a quick search and couldnt find their nutritional info. all they say is to take 75g but it doesnt say how many scoops that is.
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I know, it is very frustrating, idk how much i'm taking lawl
 
THE AVERAGE WM is 30g to 35g of carbs per scoop. Most stating that you need 2 servings for 75 carbs and its about 240 cals, which is what they say to take RIGHT after workout and then wait 10 to 15mins and drink your WHEY Shake.

-Legacy
 
dabuffguy said:
I just bought unflavored WM from BULKnutrition. $2 less than this site, same size tub.
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thats where i get mine. after the first order i got free shipping coupons with my orders
 
silverskyline said:
Only thing I would add is that glutamine and creatine do fight for cells, personally I would tweek it to take the creatine with the WM and the glutamine with the shake...thats just me
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Where did you get this information? I've never heard of glutamine and creatine competing for uptake.
 
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