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JuicedAthletics

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Bros on the board. I have been doing this for almost a decade now, but recently made a newbie mistake.. I have ONE UG lab that I have trusted for years for powders but other than that I use human grade gear...

I recently was on a cycle on cyp and NPP... My guy had to bump up his price on NPP, and NPP is something I cant make.. So I went elsewhere for a prop/npp combo... What I thought was a good deal turned into a cycle breaker... I WILL NOT list the sources name or what board he is from. But let me tell you this. His prop/npp combo tested out as 107 mg per mL of tren acetate..

At first I thought I was sick..I FEEL GREAT ON DECA AND TEST... But, I was getting hot flashes, decreased sex drive, nasty irritable guy to be around, no appetite, no sleep. Just a miserable person. I felt like I was on tren but blamed it on myself.

Long story short, don't cut corners and make sure everything is planned out. You would think after years of doing this that you would stick to your game plan, but I deviated and got screwed big time..
Just be careful.. I am very leary of what I am shooting in my body now...

Good Luck bros.....

Anyways
 
Because I have read alot of posts saying people like his gear. I dont know if they are reps or if they are guys who are having success with his products.. Maybe some guys cant tell the difference between tren and npp/prop..

my post wasnt to bash anyone or give him a bad name. I am hoping this was a bad batch of 50mL's I bought. I just wanted people to really think before jabbing themselves with some UG gear. Now I know why Mr. X always preaches about HG gear.
 
That is unusual, as tren is more expensive than NPP and prop, not often a bad lab substitutes a more expensive product.

It is not acceptable, but I think it must be a genuine mistake on their part. After all, it has cost them money.
 
if you had it tested and can prove that it is something other than what it was sold as, then i don't care who likes his gear, that's bullshit. if it was underdosed or something that's one thing, but if TREN is being sold as npp/prop then he needs to be exposed.
 
why can't you make NPP?? just curious as i dont' see why you couldnt i have many times

PLUS...this is teh biggy....NPP is about 10% of the price of Trenbolone bro, so i think some mistake was made....i doubt he did this intentionally as it cost HIM money
 
I am using UG gear now and am still questioning it compared to the gear from Europe after a couple weeks. Results have been pretty good but I was impressed with my orginal European and decided to save money this time going with UG gear. So far no complaints but I am still wondering....
 
DRRman said:
why can't you make NPP?? just curious as i dont' see why you couldnt i have many times

PLUS...this is teh biggy....NPP is about 10% of the price of Trenbolone bro, so i think some mistake was made....i doubt he did this intentionally as it cost HIM money
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intentional or not i would still be concerned if the guy can't put the right sauce in the right vial.....what happens when you order 100mg/ml test prop and get 100mg/ml tren ace and you have no idea and all your pct and other ancillaries are based on a test only cycle and all of the sudden you're growing prolactin/progesterone gyno and the nolvadex ain't doing shit and you don't know why cause you have no idea you're using tren?????? fuck that guy. mistakes like that are unacceptable.
 
intentional or not i would still be concerned if the guy can't put the right sauce in the right vial.....what happens when you order 100mg/ml test prop and get 100mg/ml tren ace and you have no idea and all your pct and other ancillaries are based on a test only cycle and all of the sudden you're growing prolactin/progesterone gyno and the nolvadex ain't doing shit and you don't know why cause you have no idea you're using tren?????? fuck that guy. mistakes like that are unacceptable.
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thats what happened to me.. i got some serious sides very quickly.. I thought i was taking around 2cc's per day of prop/npp Instead I was taking around 200mg of tren ED... With no test.. Complete hell....
 
???? NPP AND prop together would be cheaper than Tren Acetate... I don't see why someone would do something like that on purpose unless he just charges so much it doesn't really matter to him?? I would think that it was an honest mistake, but it is still fu**ed up and he should make it up to you somehow... Maybe a free next cycle? :)

Anyway, I have made NPP like this with no problem:

150mg/ml NPP
2% BA
20% BB
Whatever oil you prefer.
 
killercass said:
???? NPP AND prop together would be cheaper than Tren Acetate... I don't see why someone would do something like that on purpose unless he just charges so much it doesn't really matter to him?? I would think that it was an honest mistake, but it is still fu**ed up and he should make it up to you somehow... Maybe a free next cycle? :)

Anyway, I have made NPP like this with no problem:

150mg/ml NPP
2% BA
20% BB
Whatever oil you prefer.
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yep...nice recipe, i used 3/17....im beginning to be a big fan of the lower BA and higher BB concetrations!!
 
DRRman said:
yep...nice recipe, i used 3/17....im beginning to be a big fan of the lower BA and higher BB concetrations!!
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3/17, huh? That is good to know... I wanted to try to lower the % of bb untill it started to crystalize, but just never got around to it... :)

Also, since I don't use EO, I like to add about 20% of BB anyway just to thin the mix out a little... nothing pisses me off more than standing there for like 30 minutes trying to pull a couple cc's into a tube! LOL!
 
JuicedAthletics said:
thats what happened to me.. i got some serious sides very quickly.. I thought i was taking around 2cc's per day of prop/npp Instead I was taking around 200mg of tren ED... With no test.. Complete hell....
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GOOD GOD!!
200MG ED OF TREN??!! i'm currently doing 100mg ed and i can't imagine the sides at 200. how long before you stopped??? imagine some poor first timer who might of dragged it out for months and never figuring it out that it wasn't test. fuck that's alot of tren ed.
 
JuicedAthletics said:
thats what happened to me.. i got some serious sides very quickly.. I thought i was taking around 2cc's per day of prop/npp Instead I was taking around 200mg of tren ED... With no test.. Complete hell....
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Damn, that's all I can say about that one. I don't even want to know how bad you were feeling or how quickly you got off that cycle.
 
Well, I think i was on it for a good 2.5 weeks... so prolly 3 weeks total in my system.. It was hell...

Its the first time, people have commented that I was being a dick... I isolated myself, dreaded being social, didnt want to even walk my dog. It was appearant something wasnt right. I could definately notice a lack of testosterone in my system.. I was a wreck...
Maybe its for the best though.. My body needs to go clean for a little bit.. Yesterday ( Sunday ) I started 100mg/20mg ED of clomid and novaldex PCT.. Im going to give it 6-8 weeks before blood tests..

Funny thing is that for the first time in a while, I realized how expensive OTC supplements are!!!!!! No wonder so many guys juice!!!!
 
So, once again - this will get swept under the rug?

You can name the UG without naming a source - we do it all the time.
You're not going to KILL the UG's business if he is well respected.

You don't need a MOD's permission to post a UG lab - you just can't post any websites, etc

post it up..............
 
Ive had plenty of guys PM me for info.

Like I said, I was just warning guys to really know what they are putting in their bodies, that's all.

This thread wasn't made to make friends or kill a source.. Just a statement...
 
IMO you should send the test results to ULTER!

he will do the right thing!!
 
racoon_city said:
IMO you should send the test results to ULTER!

he will do the right thing!!
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Ulter's a MOD now?

What if it's a UG he supports.


Just post the UG up here - we didn't go through HELL a few weeks back trying to decide what could/couldn't be posted here, just so we could "shy-away" when the situation arises.
 
That is pretty messed up. I wont ever use tren again, side effects were more than I could handle. I cant imagine taking 200mg/ed, i was doing 100mg eod, and it was hell.
 
itlnstln said:
Ulter's a MOD now?

What if it's a UG he supports.


Just post the UG up here - we didn't go through HELL a few weeks back trying to decide what could/couldn't be posted here, just so we could "shy-away" when the situation arises.
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The UG he supports?
What the fuck are you talking about?
 
Ulter said:
The UG he supports?
What the fuck are you talking about?
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What if it's "A" UG he supports - not "the" - which makes my comment hypothetical and not an accusation.

Obviously many members in high-places have direct ties to UG labs and even sources, so we don't need to debate "that" issue - it's been proven and put to rest a while ago.

I have toned-it WAY down with my posts/responses out of respect for my Elite Brothers - but (in your responses) it seems like you always want a little piece of me.............................. :FRlol:

Why couldn't you have just asked me what I was talking about before you went and got your panties in a bunch.

Seriously - take it "easy"
 
Someone suggested sending stuff to me to be tested. Do you know why? Because for 4 years that's what I have done for people here, for cost. Your post casts doubt on my integrity. You've been here 5 months. I've been here 6 years. My integrity was proven a very long time ago and it's never been questioned. So yeah, I get offended.
When someone wants honesty and integrity from a member they quiet often come to me. I earned that. So you, being a relative newbie here, are way out of line suggesting that I haven't.
 
Ulter said:
Someone suggested sending stuff to me to be tested. Do you know why? Because for 4 years that's what I have done for people here, for cost. Your post casts doubt on my integrity. You've been here 5 months. I've been here 6 years. My integrity was proven a very long time ago and it's never been questioned. So yeah, I get offended.
When someone wants honesty and integrity from a member they quiet often come to me. I earned that. So you, being a relative newbie here, are way out of line suggesting that I haven't.
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well well said.
 
Ulter said:
Someone suggested sending stuff to me to be tested. Do you know why? Because for 4 years that's what I have done for people here, for cost. Your post casts doubt on my integrity. You've been here 5 months. I've been here 6 years. My integrity was proven a very long time ago and it's never been questioned. So yeah, I get offended.
When someone wants honesty and integrity from a member they quiet often come to me. I earned that. So you, being a relative newbie here, are way out of line suggesting that I haven't.
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Ulter helps alot of people and has earned respect.
 
itlnstl i know you wont , but i think you should thow an appology to ulter

im not saying kiss his ass but just show some respect
 
Ulter said:
Someone suggested sending stuff to me to be tested. Do you know why? Because for 4 years that's what I have done for people here, for cost. Your post casts doubt on my integrity. You've been here 5 months. I've been here 6 years. My integrity was proven a very long time ago and it's never been questioned. So yeah, I get offended.
When someone wants honesty and integrity from a member they quiet often come to me. I earned that. So you, being a relative newbie here, are way out of line suggesting that I haven't.
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Respect is something you have earned......it comes with time and energy put in....not post count
 
Ulter said:
Someone suggested sending stuff to me to be tested. Do you know why? Because for 4 years that's what I have done for people here, for cost. Your post casts doubt on my integrity. You've been here 5 months. I've been here 6 years. My integrity was proven a very long time ago and it's never been questioned. So yeah, I get offended.
When someone wants honesty and integrity from a member they quiet often come to me. I earned that. So you, being a relative newbie here, are way out of line suggesting that I haven't.
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Yeah - I applaud your longevity here at Elite, and again - I NEVER attacked your integrity. The only thing I am guilty of is hitting a "sore-spot" with you, and it was unintentional.
 
bigcountry61 said:
Back to the topic... Can someone post the UG ???
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That's all I was asking.

from now on - if someone claims "fraud", but never posts the site - then we WILL assume that person is full of sh4t
 
That's all I was asking.

from now on - if someone claims "fraud", but never posts the site - then we WILL assume that person is full of sh4t
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Itlnstln You are quite irritating in your posts... I dont know who passed the thrown over to you.. Since I have a lab report that says my labeled bottle is filled with something different than what it claims I will post it.. Anabolic Pharms..
 
JuicedAthletics said:
Itlnstln You are quite irritating in your posts... I dont know who passed the thrown over to you.. Since I have a lab report that says my labeled bottle is filled with something different than what it claims I will post it.. Anabolic Pharms..
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Bro - no one passed any throne over to me - I'm still a "newbie" here.

But I still got you to post that Lab, and now because of it - you may have saved some good Bro's some hard-earned $$$$.

If I irritate you - just scratch
 
Ulter said:
Someone suggested sending stuff to me to be tested. Do you know why? Because for 4 years that's what I have done for people here, for cost. Your post casts doubt on my integrity. You've been here 5 months. I've been here 6 years. My integrity was proven a very long time ago and it's never been questioned. So yeah, I get offended.
When someone wants honesty and integrity from a member they quiet often come to me. I earned that. So you, being a relative newbie here, are way out of line suggesting that I haven't.
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You know what would be awesome, is if you and Blacksheep could explain the absence of the primo test that was done on a ug lab. My guess is that a later test that was done on the same lab showing it correctly dosed may have thrown a wrench into someone's backing of human grade sources instead of ug. Of course though, if you can find 500mg/ml painless human grade test, or 600mg/ml painless eq, or maybe even 1m of test enanthate 250mg/ml for $1.50, etc, etc etc, then by all means it should be done. Until then, I for one am growing slightly tired of this human grade vs. ug bullsh*t. Also, for whatever momentarily absent minded person said anything about ordering overseas being like ordering needles, I would be willing to wager more folk have gone to jail for receiving overseas cd's as opposed to receiving needles, so that analogy quite simply does not apply.

To conclude, post the lab results, post the proof, then post the lab name...hell, it's mod backed over here! ;)
 
JuicedAthletics said:
Itlnstln You are quite irritating in your posts... I dont know who passed the thrown over to you.. Since I have a lab report that says my labeled bottle is filled with something different than what it claims I will post it.. Anabolic Pharms..
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You posted an interesting thread and thank you for doing so, this could really f*ck up some people, however you cannot expect people not to ask further questions. Like you selve people here want to look out for others and them selves so, I would hate to shoot so much tren and think it was something else i was taking. Itlnstln is only asking the question which everyone wants to know, and rightly so.
 
JuicedAthletics said:
Not bgi deal,,, small mistake while filling order we willll wiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
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Who will win?
 
galaxy said:
Now if it had been me i woulda had a gram of test in me and thinking....WOW, i love this NPP/ prop combo.LOL
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haha...that would be me.....loving the NPP/prop when i was taknig a gram of tren per week and not knowing it!!
 
JuicedAthletics said:
Itlnstln You are quite irritating in your posts... I dont know who passed the thrown over to you.. Since I have a lab report that says my labeled bottle is filled with something different than what it claims I will post it.. Anabolic Pharms..
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First of all this, I am sure, was a mistake on their part. If it is brought up to the rep that you used intelligently I know that it will be taken care of.

My question is have you already spoken to this person to explain your concern? This my friend is the best way to approach if you have not already done so.
 
First of all this, I am sure, was a mistake on their part. If it is brought up to the rep that you used intelligently I know that it will be taken care of.

My question is have you already spoken to this person to explain your concern? This my friend is the best way to approach if you have not already done so.
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If you read my posts, I do not care for a refund, exchange, apoligy or anything. I just wanted to warn other guys who frequently use UG gear to make sure that they know what they are putting into their bodies. I DONT NEED to use UG gear, I did it because I tried to cut corners...
It prolly was a mistake on their part. Because I know it is more expensive to make tren than npp in that concentration.. Once again, thats not my point. I did not flame them or bring anything bad to their name. I was looking out for others..
Imagine someone who thinks they are taking one drug and really it is another? All, of your AI's wont do anything and you just cant figure out whats causing it.. I have been around gear for a long time so I can distinguish the sides I get from different compounds.. That is why I donated a 50mL bottle to be tested. I dont care if it was a mistake, the fact is 2 out of my 3 bottles were incorrectly labeled. The third bottle, well I donated that to the driveway this morning..
 
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