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Wanting to try havoc ( could be to young)

Wumderbean

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im 18 years old, wanting to take havoc now for a cycle so i can bulk up as much as possible so i can step in and take , amp02/lipo before the summer comes so i can look good for the summer. i was wondering how dangerous it is to take it at 18, or if i can take it at 18 and get some extra PCT to fix it. Read that it can mess up your endocrine system for life and thats about it everyone else just says, your a idiot for taking it at 18 with no back up info at all. im in really good shape i need a honest answer with some facts to back it up. all i need to know is will it really mess me up bad
 
Hold off on the Havoc bro. You have your whole adult life ahead of you to mess around with gear. Just buy the AMP02 and Raw MCC creatine and eat like a horse. These should be the best times of your life to gain naturally don't mess it up with a stupid prohormone.
 
Listen, man. I was in about the same position as you at your age.

I have had low-normal T levels since puberty, despite having a normal sex drive and no problems gaining mass. I still had problems with chronic fatigue, anxiety and depression.

I'm almost 20 now, and have been on TRT for 3 months and HCG for about a month. I've researched the topic thoroughly and was not given an answer on what kind of long-term effect getting your T levels in the top of the (normal) range with weekly T injections would do to a 19 year old, but I took that risk anyway and only time will tell if I will regret it or not.

After about a year and a half of going through doctors, I finally got an OK for TRT and am now on 100mg enanthate weekly. Sometimes I'll bump it up to 150 or 200 every once in a while since I get automatic free monthly refills. So far, I've made amazing progress in the gym. Depression and anxiety are almost completetly gone and I could *not* be happier.

As far as epistane goes, I "pulse cycled" it for a few weeks about a month ago with no adverse effects. That's when I made my biggest gains. I took 40mg on workout days (so 3x a week).

How will all this affect me, 5, 10, 20 years from now? Hell, I don't know. I figured my life was already halfway down the shitter before starting treatement, and while other kids my age are fucking up their own bodies smoking cigarettes and getting wasted all the time, I doubt this can be worse.

Sorry for derailing the thread with my story. I still won't do a "full" cycle until I'm about 25. Hell, I could do 500mg weekly, but I have the common sense to stay within range.

FWIW, I recently tried Novedex XT, figuring my estrogen would be somewhat elevated from randomly bumping the T injection dosage and the added HCG (my most recent bloodwork is only from after 2 months of doing T injections Sub-Q without HCG, and the endo said my T was high-normal and estrogen was well within range.

Anyway, the results I got from the Novedex were pretty dissapointing. The obvious reason is I started out way too strong at the full 4 caps. I only did 4 days and it made my joints ache and my strength and libido went down. I'll take a while off and maybe restart at 1 cap a day.

You know, discussing this kind of blatant misusage of these drugs as a 19 year old kind of feels like discussing doing heroin or crystal meth on the bluelight forums.

Anyway, my closing statement is that, IMO, as long as you don't do any hardcore AAS cycles you should be "OK", and by "OK" you won't experience any immediate short-term side effects worth noticing. You can try pulse-cycling the Havoc for a few weeks, but I definitely would not take it daily.

My .02$
 
Wumderbean said:
thanks for input guys, hoping to get a little more input before i go threw with buying it

well, if you decide to go ahead with it just let me know. i can point you in the right direction to get it cheaper than anywhere else.
 
I just made a thread about Havoc and Epistane, which is basically the same thing.

When I search epistane I found it in two different bottles. Is there a difference? I heard they discontinued it.
 
UNLEASHED, BIG BLAST, VIGOR and lots of food. Totally safe and healthy and if you train hard enough you'll grow like a weed. Don't fuck with that prohormone crap.
 
Nelson Montana said:
UNLEASHED, BIG BLAST, VIGOR and lots of food. Totally safe and healthy and if you train hard enough you'll grow like a weed. Don't fuck with that prohormone crap.

"Hey kid, don't fuck around with all those prohormones that actually do something, instead, make sure to buy all my shitty herbal products and you too, can grow like a weed!"

I like how they're all in bold caps. So you almost don't bother with reading the rest.

It's like Ulter/Macro all over again. I love this place. :D
 
koolkatarbtl said:
"Hey kid, don't fuck around with all those prohormones that actually do something, instead, make sure to buy all my shitty herbal products and you too, can grow like a weed!"

I like how they're all in bold caps. So you almost don't bother with reading the rest.

It's like Ulter/Macro all over again. I love this place. :D

You really don't know what you're talking about so maybe you shouldn't talk.
 
Sigh here we go again...

"Hey kid, go buy prohormones at the age of 18 and pray your PCT from GNC saves you from any problems. I think you should waste your natural ability to grow by eating right and training now and take a short cut! I also think you shouldnt try safer natural sups first because all the cool kids are doing prohormones without thinking about the natural potential they are wasting! Now Im going to get back to bashing good board sponsors that accually make some decent suggestions whether hes promoting his products or not, at least hes making smarter suggestions than prohomones for an 18 year old! PS: IM A DOUCHE!"

Seriously...Does anyone think any more?

-Legacy
 
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