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WAAAAAAA!!!!! <sniff> <sniff> The Iraqi's aren't fighting fair!!!!!

hooch

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I'm sick of hearing on the news the BUSH and company saying over and over again how the IRAQI's are playing "dirty"....


US Soldiers being executed, while tragic, is pure speculation at this point. I wonder what dirty tricks this country would resort to (chemical, nukes??) if we were invaded by a vastly superior force......There are some sick fucks in this country too....(think My Lai massacre, Vietnam).....


Bottom line...War is hell...who the fuck is gonna follow a rule book if they on the verge of extermination????
 
hooch said:

US Soldiers being executed, while tragic, is pure speculation at this point.

Yeah....They must of gotten lucky when they ambushed those US soldiers, I mean what are the chances of all of them being shot in the head? :rolleyes:
 
Exterminate? Come on now.

Though I agree with you about the so called "Rules of war" somewhat,we have showed much restraint to this point.

Mad
 
Snap into reality... using their own people as shields? It will completely justify the Brits & Yanks being in there, if the Iraqis use chemical weapons. At that point, I hope to hear a big "we were wrong & naive!" screamed in public by the anti-war crowd.

As for the executions... check out kazaa... if your stomach can take it.
 
I'd like to know what happened to that 19 yr old girl that was amongst the 12 that were ambushed.She wasn't amongst the dead or pictured with the POWS.

I sure she was treated accordly with the conventions of war before they threw her body in the desert.

Mad
 
Well, all's fair in love and war. I think the US military expects poor treatment of POWs and Geneva Convention violations. I'm guessing their strategy is to continually gripe about poor POW treatment and battlefield tactics and threaten to charge Iraqi's with war crimes hoping to scare them into complying.

So basically it's not so much whining that's going on but an attempt at psychological deterrence. Whether it actually works or not is a different matter, but hey it's worth a try.
 
Mad4Iron said:
Exterminate? Come on now.

Though I agree with you about the so called "Rules of war" somewhat,we have showed much restraint to this point.

Mad

A restrained aggressive invasion. an oxymoron. Real restraint would have been continued inspections and containment.

The real enemy is bin Laden and the terrorists. Hello !!! remember him?
 
Mad4Iron said:
I'd like to know what happened to that 19 yr old girl that was amongst the 12 that were ambushed.She wasn't amongst the dead or pictured with the POWS.

I sure she was treated accordly with the conventions of war before they threw her body in the desert.

Mad

God Damn IT! 19 year old girls should not be fighting this fucking war. She's probably serving as Saddam's personal sex slave! This shit pisses me off.
 
Hengst said:


A restrained aggressive invasion. an oxymoron. Real restraint would have been continued inspections and containment.

The real enemy is bin Laden and the terrorists. Hello !!! remember him?

Well, if the US were going to exterminate the Iraqis they could have done that in about 2 hours of real bombing.

Inspections & containment? *bangs head repeatedly on desk* Not worth comment.

& I suppose you actually think nobody is in Afghanistan & Pakistan looking for him? Hell, even Canada still has a few thousand troops there.
 
Hengst said:


A restrained aggressive invasion. an oxymoron. Real restraint would have been continued inspections and containment.

The real enemy is bin Laden and the terrorists. Hello !!! remember him?


No,I don't believe it's an oxymoron.Baghdad could be a smoking pit right now as well as Basra with 10s of thousands of cilivians dead.

I also don't buy the "No connection" bullshit between Bin Laden and Iraq.

Yeah I remember Bin Laden,I live 25 miles north of the city and knew people who died there.

Mad
 
I see your point dude. If I was invaded by a superior I would pull out all the tricks too. Actually, he has fought a pretty good game plan so far as a mean ass dictator. I mean war is hell. They don't say that for a reason. I mean what is the difference of killing a man with a bullet, a nuke or bio weapon afterwards you end up dead.
 
UpperTone said:


.......Inspections & containment? *bangs head repeatedly on desk* ........

nice visual, really, made me laugh.

I'm a RABID anti-bush person and I have difficulty to support anything he backs.

I also agree that Saddam is a menace, a menace to the US and the rest of the Middle East. I think Iraq, as a nation, has great potential. They are, in my mind, like the Germans of the Middle East. Large educated middle class, relatively secular, hard working. Afterall, they did manage to rebuild their infrastructure after the last Gulf War.

I also believe that a moderate, stable Iraq could be a catalyst of reform and change in places like Syria, Saudi Arabia.........

It's just that I loath Bush.
 
Hengst said:


nice visual, really, made me laugh.

I'm a RABID anti-bush person and I have difficulty to support anything he backs.

I also agree that Saddam is a menace, a menace to the US and the rest of the Middle East. I think Iraq, as a nation, has great potential. They are, in my mind, like the Germans of the Middle East. Large educated middle class, relatively secular, hard working. Afterall, they did manage to rebuild their infrastructure after the last Gulf War.

I also believe that a moderate, stable Iraq could be a catalyst of reform and change in places like Syria, Saudi Arabia.........

It's just that I loath Bush.

It's good to laugh.

I agree with your assessment of Iraq. Problem is, the majority of Iraqis aren't of the right background to take advantage of the opportunities Saddam provides for some. The West have let these people down before, I don't want it to happen again.

Don't let your hatred for Bush blind you from the fact that this is the only way of bringing about the change which can lead to the Iraq you describe.
 
UpperTone said:




Don't let your hatred for Bush blind you from the fact that this is the only way of bringing about the change which can lead to the Iraq you describe.

See, that's the kicker......... I do not think that this war is the only way to affect change in Iraq. I'm not some namby-pamby francophone, but, still, there has to be some other way.

I unfortunately do not know what that way is (well, I have some ideas)
 
It sucks our "Soldiers" are trained to be the police, while the rest of the world trains their military to KILL. We need to take the handcuffs of our boys and let them kill em all, and let allah sort em out.
 
Hengst said:


See, that's the kicker......... I do not think that this war is the only way to affect change in Iraq. I'm not some namby-pamby francophone, but, still, there has to be some other way.

I unfortunately do not know what that way is (well, I have some ideas)

Do tell. This is a question I've asked of every anti-war person I've come accross & have yet to get an answer beyond the intellect of a flea (sorry to the fleas of the world). Please don't say inspections, containment or sanctions. Don't... simply attack what's being done either, start on about history (I know the history of the region) or go on about oil. Alternatives to war, that's what I'd like to hear.
 
hooch said:
I'm sick of hearing on the news the BUSH and company saying over and over again how the IRAQI's are playing "dirty"....


US Soldiers being executed, while tragic, is pure speculation at this point. I wonder what dirty tricks this country would resort to (chemical, nukes??) if we were invaded by a vastly superior force......There are some sick fucks in this country too....(think My Lai massacre, Vietnam).....


Bottom line...War is hell...who the fuck is gonna follow a rule book if they on the verge of extermination????

There sure is a lot of tough talking from those that have never been in battle. As one that was in desert storm, your "waaaaa" shit is condescending. If you were in battle you would probably curl in to the fetal position. You don't know shit so keep your mouth shut.
 
hooch said:
I'm sick of hearing on the news the BUSH and company saying over and over again how the IRAQI's are playing "dirty"....


US Soldiers being executed, while tragic, is pure speculation at this point.

Yeah, mechanics with gun shot wounds in the center of the forehead weren't executed. :rolleyes:

hooch said:

I wonder what dirty tricks this country would resort to (chemical, nukes??) if we were invaded by a vastly superior force......There are some sick fucks in this country too....(think My Lai massacre, Vietnam).....

There is no such and never will be such a thing as a vastly superior force to the US. And what was the problem with My Lai? Those guys killed the enemy, although there was some collateral damage. If you are going to place blame look no farther than than liberal LBJ who fucked up vietnam from the get go.

hooch said:
Bottom line...War is hell...who the fuck is gonna follow a rule book if they on the verge of extermination????

Only those who don't surrender are exterminated. Civilized men with honor follow the rules. That is what being a professional soldier is all about. These so-called people are acting like animals. No wonder they live in the dark ages.
 
Re: Re: WAAAAAAA!!!!! <sniff> <sniff> The Iraqi's aren't fighting fair!!!!!

muscle_geek said:


There sure is a lot of tough talking from those that have never been in battle. As one that was in desert storm, your "waaaaa" shit is condescending. If you were in battle you would probably curl in to the fetal position. You don't know shit so keep your mouth shut.

I think Hooch is a vet bro...may have been in the storm also. I am ure he'll come on here and comment.
 
hooch said:
Muscle geek....Fuck-Off....You missed the point of the thread moron....

Maybe I did miss the point. From what I gathered from your post is that we shouldn't be pissed off about what Iraq is doing to our POW's. I contend that we would not resort to the same shit Iraq is doing no matter what. Iraq's paramilitary group and Sadaam himself are responsible for this. The people or Iraq and the regular army for the most part would not resort to these tactics. If you are a vet, I kind of apologize. I just have a hard time believing that any vet that has been in battle isn't pissed off about the treatment of POW's.
 
muscle_geek said:

I contend that we would not resort to the same shit Iraq is doing no matter what.

Yes we would. If another country invades us I know for sure that I would go to great lengths to take out as many of their soldiers as possible.
 
UpperTone said:
Snap into reality... using their own people as shields? It will completely justify the Brits & Yanks being in there, if the Iraqis use chemical weapons. At that point, I hope to hear a big "we were wrong & naive!" screamed in public by the anti-war crowd.

The anti-war crowd isn't saying that Saddam has no chem/bio weapons. They are saying that the way this is being dealt with by Bush is inappropriate. They are also aware that Bush is using this as a pretext for his real agenda.

If you are going to disagree with the anti-war movement, then disagree with what they are saying. If your case is so strong you should have no need to twist things to make them sound ridiculous. Don't make false representations.
 
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UpperTone said:


Do tell. This is a question I've asked of every anti-war person I've come accross & have yet to get an answer beyond the intellect of a flea (sorry to the fleas of the world). Please don't say inspections, containment or sanctions. Don't... simply attack what's being done either, start on about history (I know the history of the region) or go on about oil. Alternatives to war, that's what I'd like to hear.

I have no idea how anyone with a quarter of a brain could believe Bush/blair's case for war. It is gullible people who swallow propaganda that are intellectually challenged.

BTW, inspections coupled with containment work very well, except if you get your information from the US dominated international media conglomerates and the US government who seek to undermine the inspections process because it is inconvenient to their own agenda. I would have expected more free thinking from a Canadaian.

Post 1991 war weapons inspectors destroyed more of Iraq's WMDs than all the bombing in the 1991 war did - and without all the casualties.

But I realise that I am wasting my breath telling people this. Arguing with a lynch mob is always pointless.
 
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HansNZ said:


The anti-war crowd isn't saying that Saddam has no chem/bio weapons. They are saying that the way this is being dealt with by Bush is inappropriate. They are also aware that Bush is using this as a pretwxt for his real agenda.

If you are going to disagree with the anti-war movement, then disagree with what they are saying. Don't invent things.

Ooops! Mea culpa! mea culpa! cea culpa!

I'll change that to... the many anti-war people I've spoken to, chatted with or seen interviewed, who old the opinion that Saddam does not have these weapons. There is a large % who believe this.

Hah! I knew you'd attempt to answer my other question.
 
HansNZ said:


The anti-war crowd isn't saying that Saddam has no chem/bio weapons.

They most certainly are. That is the cornerstone of their argument. That is all they are saying.

HansNZ said:
They are saying that the way this is being dealt with by Bush is inappropriate.

If you maintain they don't have WMD then what is the "this" that is being dealt with?

HansNZ said:

They are also aware that Bush is using this as a pretwxt for his real agenda.

Which is what?? Improving the American economy? Getting rid of an evil dictator? Please don't respond with "stealing oil." If we wanted to do that we would invade Canada, Mexico, or Venezuela. All of whome provide us with more oil than Iraq could ever hope to pump out.

HansNZ said:

If you are going to disagree with the anti-war movement, then disagree with what they are saying. Don't invent things.

They aren't saying anything besides "no war." People would give more respect to the anti war movement if they would offer a viable alternative, but they have not so far. Most of us disagree with the anti war movement because they are only causing trouble (ie.. vandalism, assualting police and pedestrians, disorderly conduct, etc...) And before you start saying "only a small number of protesters do that" remember that if you throw a party and invite everyone, you are responsible for who shows up.
 
UpperTone said:


Ooops! Mea culpa! mea culpa! cea culpa!

I'll change that to... the many anti-war people I've spoken to, chatted with or seen interviewed, who old the opinion that Saddam does not have these weapons. There is a large % who believe this.

Hah! I knew you'd attempt to answer my other question. *Going to other thread*

I'd agree that to claim to know that Saddam has NO prohibited weapons is a bit naive. To claim that the US government is overstating what Iraq has is not naive. I doubt he has anything that most of the other dictators in the region and elsewhere have.

But there have been countless threads debating what the real agenda for this war is.

The benefits of containment, the usefulness of weapons inspectors.

Iraq's non-existent links to al-qaeda.

The military threat posed by Iraq in REALITY, rather than in propaganda has been discussed to death.

Must we cover all this well worn ground again?
 
HansNZ said:


BTW, inspections coupled with containment work very well, except if you get your information from the US dominated international media conglomerates and the US government who seek to undermine the inspections process because it is inconvenient to their own agenda. I would have expected more free thinking from a Canadaian.

Post 1991 war weapons inspectors destroyed more of Iraq's WMDs than all the bombing in the 1991 war did - and without all the casualties.

But I realise that I am wasting my breath telling people this. Arguing with a lynch mob is always pointless.

"Post 1991 war weapons inspectors destroyed more of Iraq's WMDs than all the bombing in the 1991 war did - and without all the casualties."

Stop quoting silly statements of the uninformed. *I'd expect more from a communist Kiwi* LOL

The purpose of the 1st GW was to kick Iraq out of Kuwait, not to get rid of weapons. (BTW, this really pissed me off because I wanted the coalition to march right into Baghdad)

The ceasefire agreement, which Saddam signed, was meant to obligate him to rid his country of most weapons. The period of weapon inspectors was a farce. 17 resolutions along the way? All broken. Hans, don't be naive.

I think myself to be fortunate, to have access to as many news sources, from as many countries as I do. This way I can weed out the BS.

I'm sorry, but you sound like a very brainwashed person yourself.
 
ariolanine said:


They most certainly are. That is the cornerstone of their argument. That is all they are saying.


Well then I agree, those people saying that are stupid.

But I am anti-war, and I don't say this, so don't claim that this is the position of the anti-war movement. That would be as ridiculous as me saying that all americans believe in the death penalty.

I think you may also be misunderstanding people who are saying that there needs to be substantial evidence of his WMD. So far the US's "intelligence" has failed to come to anything. It has been proved wrong time and again. Evidence is the basis of law. We don't throw people in prison because we "suspect" they've done something. That is the sort of thing that dictators like Saddam do, not people pursuing the cause of "freedom" as George Bush so sanctimoniously repeats every time he opens his inarticulate mouth.

I am sure Saddam has some nasties in his closet, but I doubt that he has much, nor is he any more of a threat (to other countries or his own people) than countless other regimes in the region and world, many of which are US allies.

If you maintain they don't have WMD then what is the "this" that is being dealt with?


The false crisis whipped up by Bush and his cronies. Saddam and his few WMDs can be dealt with through inspections and containment.

Which is what?? Improving the American economy? Getting rid of an evil dictator? Please don't respond with "stealing oil." If we wanted to do that we would invade Canada, Mexico, or Venezuela. All of whome provide us with more oil than Iraq could ever hope to pump out.


You must be joking? You have been a party to countless threads about this topic. Do you have a bad memory. Go and re-read past threads. I see no need to rehash the same arguments that have been voiced on this site time and time again.

As for your Mexico/venezuela oil theory I have responded to that false theory about 20 times already! You also need to learn a little bit about economics.

They aren't saying anything besides "no war." People would give more respect to the anti war movement if they would offer a viable alternative, but they have not so far.


Weapons inspections and containment. And before you go spouting off the propaganda designed to undermine the weapons inspectors go and research the FACTS.

Your President is right, there are people out there who don't consider Saddam to be the threat that he does. I am one of them. I consider the USA a big threat, however. The Hussein threat has been played up to serve a conservative agenda. If there was Democrat in office this whole "crisis" wouldn't exist and just as has been the case for the last 12 years, Saddam would continue to be a fragile dictator in charge of a powerless country.

Most of us disagree with the anti war movement because they are only causing trouble (ie.. vandalism, assualting police and pedestrians, disorderly conduct, etc...) And before you start saying "only a small number of protesters do that" remember that if you throw a party and invite everyone, you are responsible for who shows up.

Whatever your opinions about this behaviour, it is casuing a hell of a lot less disruption and damage than the coalition forces are in Iraq.
 
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I was in the NAVY from 87-96. Yeah I was in the GULF during the first GULF WAR.......but I'm not gonna sit here and even suggest I experienced anything remotely close to ground combat.

Anyway........I didn't mean to sound like the troops were whining....and I can only imgaine what they are going through....I just think that if we were ever invaded by a superior force(okay..highly unlikely) we (or any other people's) would resort to brutal tactics ourselves in the face of defeat......
 
HansNZ said:

As for your Mexico/venezuela oil theory I have responded to that false theory about 20 times already! You also need to learn a little bit about economics[/B]

WTF are you talking about? It's not a theory. American petroleum companies do NOT get even half of their crude oil from the middle east. There is no arguing on this, IT IS FACT!!!!!!!!!!

HansNZ said:
Your President is right, there are people out there who don't consider Saddam to be the threat that he does. I am one of them. I consider the USA a big threat, however.[/B]

Again, WTF are you talking about. The US has shown nothing but restraint in dealing with it's enemies. What other country on earth bombs their enemies with precision weapons to avoid civi casualties? What other nation then feeds, clothes, and medicates the civi's? We could own the world if we wanted to. Who would stop us from taking over the entire middle east? No military could. The world should do nothing but appreciate the piece our nation provides. If the US disappeared tomorrow, the chinese, n.koreans, arabs, and russians would have a fucking field day by promplty invading their neighbors. AMERICA PREVENTS THAT FROM HAPPENING. Hanz, you need to check yourself. You hate us so much you can't see reality.

HansNZ said:
The Hussein threat has been played up to serve a conservative agenda. [/B]

I am getting tired of saying this, but I will yet again reiterate.
PRESIDENT BUSH IS NOT A TRUE CONSERVATIVE!!!!!!!

HansNZ said:
If there was Democrat in office this whole "crisis" wouldn't exist and just as has been the case for the last 12 years, Saddam would continue to be a fragile dictator in charge of a powerless country.[/B]

Ahh. The true colors come out. You are just a common Bush hater. If a demoncrat was in office there would have been a few more terrorist acts committed against Americans. Yippie, that's what I want.:rolleyes:
 
HansNZ said:


If there was Democrat in office this whole "crisis" wouldn't exist and just as has been the case for the last 12 years, Saddam would continue to be a fragile dictator in charge of a powerless country. [/B]

Couldn't resist:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-war-clinton,0,1461702.story?coll=chi-news-hed

I did have a better bookmarked, but it's no longer there. (Left wing conspiracy)

I'm sure Bill/Hill's pro war opinion can be found easily enough through google.

Here's a nice article on Dem opinion:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/mar2003/demo-m28.shtml

Love the source too. :D
 
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UpperTone said:
"Post 1991 war weapons inspectors destroyed more of Iraq's WMDs than all the bombing in the 1991 war did - and without all the casualties."

Stop quoting silly statements of the uninformed. *I'd expect more from a communist Kiwi* LOL


That is according to the two former chief weapons inspectors - one an Aussie, the other an American. I think these people qualify as informed.

The purpose of the 1st GW was to kick Iraq out of Kuwait, not to get rid of weapons. (BTW, this really pissed me off because I wanted the coalition to march right into Baghdad)


Well actually one major reason for that war was to destroy Saddam's huge military that the US had built up which was no longer preoccupied by the war against Iran and which was posing a threat to Israel. Iraq wouldn't have attacked Kuwait if the American ambassador to Iraq at the time hadn't lead Saddam to believe that the US would allow this, only offering token protests for public consumption as it does to Israel. Regimes in this region know the consequences of threatening vital US national interests.

The ceasefire agreement, which Saddam signed, was meant to obligate him to rid his country of most weapons. The period of weapon inspectors was a farce. 17 resolutions along the way? All broken. Hans, don't be naive.


I agree. Saddam was playing games. However the weapons inspectors made spectacular, albeit slow progress during the 1990s. The UN pulled the inspectors out of Iraq in 1998 after it was discovered that some of them were US spies.

The difference this time was the threat of force. Saddam had no incentive to comply previously. Hans Blix was on TV last night saying his biggest regret was that he did not have sufficient time to finish inspections. He said that with three more months he would have been able to report back as to whether or not weapons inspections would be able to finish disarming Iraq or not.

The French position was that this report from Blix needed to happen first, and if Iraq had not diarmed fully then France, too, would have supported this war. Resolution 1441 does not authorise force because it explicitly states that the chief weapons inspector has to come back and say that no further progress could be made. He did not.

The USA did not want to see this process through in case Saddam did comply. That would have scuttled the use of the WMD pretext for a war against Iraq necessary as cover for advancing the US's real geo-strategic agenda in the region. So the Americans ridiculed the UN, attacked the French, and undermined the weapons inspectors so that this process wouldn't be seen through.
 
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ariolanine said:
WTF are you talking about? It's not a theory. American petroleum companies do NOT get even half of their crude oil from the middle east. There is no arguing on this, IT IS FACT!!!!!!!!!!


The middle eastern supply effects the world price of oil. This has devasting results for the US economy. It is irrelevant where individual countries source their oil from. The US is the most oil dependent of any economy.

Again, WTF are you talking about. The US has shown nothing but restraint in dealing with it's enemies. What other country on earth bombs their enemies with precision weapons to avoid civi casualties?


So basically your reasoning is this: Even though the US is constantly bombing and attacking other countries it is not militaristic and expansionist because it uses precision guided bombs.

The world should do nothing but appreciate the piece our nation provides.


By constantly starting wars in pursuit of its selfish national interests - gee how peaceful.

If the US disappeared tomorrow,


..we can only hope...


the chinese, n.koreans, arabs, and russians would have a fucking field day by promplty invading their neighbors.


You mean like the the US attacks other countries?


Ahh. The true colors come out. You are just a common Bush hater. If a demoncrat was in office there would have been a few more terrorist acts committed against Americans. Yippie, that's what I want.:rolleyes:

Terrorists acts are a reaction to American aggression and militaristic expansionism. the Republicans are responsible for their fair share of this. It is not the democrats alone who are responsible for American behaviour abroad.

Don't make the mistake of thinking i'd magically suddenly start supporting any of this if it was a democrat rather than a republican at the wheel.
 
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UpperTone said:


Couldn't resist:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-war-clinton,0,1461702.story?coll=chi-news-hed

I did have a better bookmarked, but it's no longer there. (Left wing conspiracy)

I'm sure Bill/Hill's pro war opinion can be found easily enough through google.

Here's a nice article on Dem opinion:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/mar2003/demo-m28.shtml

Love the source too. :D

I stand corrected.

On another note, this is a sad indictment on the condition of the US's two party system...but thats a subject for another thread altogether.
 
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Dial_tone said:
Is NZ even in the United Nations? seriously.

Yes, it was a founding member, and probably the only country other than Norway that lives up to all its international obligations and treaties.
 
Dial_tone said:
Well, when somebody runs a few 747's into a few NZ skyscrapers and kills a few thousand I'll let NZ decide what should be done about it. Until then I'm not counting on Norway and New Zealand to be world police.

If you compare the US's behaviour towards other countries to NZ's behaviour it will become apparently obvious why people are not flying aeroplanes into our skyscrapers. This is unlikely to happen unless of course we elect a conservative government which joins in with the US's folly in order to curry favour in Washington.

As for the world police thing you are quite wrong. Both NZ and Norway have huge peace keeping forces all over the world that make international contributions far out of proportion to our relative size. Basically, because we have excellent relationships with so many countries, our peace-keepers are greatly in demand because they are seen as neutral.

Norway has always been very pro-active in its peace activism and in the last 12 years has sponsored many of the middle eastern peace discussions. I assure you, if all countries were like NZ and Norway the world would be an extremely peaceful place.

Considering all the fuss over Nth Korea, it is interesting to note that the US is angry with us because of our ANTI-nuclear legislation disallowing nuclear weapons on our territory.

What's more, both Australia and the US are annoyed with NZ because they claim we DON'T spend enough on our military. How many countries complain that their neighbours aren't spending enough money on their armies?
 
What's more, both Australia and the US are annoyed with NZ because they claim we DON'T spend enough on our military. How many countries complain that their neighbours aren't spending enough money on their armies?

Don't worry HansNZ as the GNWO gets stronger you will have wished your military was stronger! Isolation will not even save NZ from the rath of the GNWO!
 
DcupSheepNipples said:


Don't worry HansNZ as the GNWO gets stronger you will have wished your military was stronger! Isolation will not even save NZ from the rath of the GNWO!

:confused: GNWO?
 
HansNZ said:


That is according to the two former chief weapons inspectors - one an Aussie, the other an American. I think these people qualify as informed.

[/b]

Well actually one major reason for that war was to destroy Saddam's huge military that the US had built up which was no longer preoccupied by the war against Iran and which was posing a threat to Israel. Iraq wouldn't have attacked Kuwait if the American ambassador to Iraq at the time hadn't lead Saddam to believe that the US would allow this, only offering token protests for public consumption as it does to Israel. Regimes in this region know the consequences of threatening vital US national interests.

[/b]

I agree. Saddam was playing games. However the weapons inspectors made spectacular, albeit slow progress during the 1990s.


[/B]

I don't qualify them as informed. It's still a silly statement. If you remember the Gulf War, you'd recall the coalition was basically in agreement about kicking Iraq out of Kuwait. Statements like that are made by those who actually convinced themselves inspections were working. I could not care less about their nationality.

I'm getting so sick of these pop-history lessons.

I'm not making excuses for the errors of the past, but that doesn't mean those mistakes must be lived with.

The rest of your post can be left up to interpretation. I'm not going to change your mind & vice versa.

On another note:

Canadians doing their part in Iraq: :D (at least the press is there)

http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030329.usurr0329/BNStory/International
 
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