W6,,can u help me??

[hardbdygrl]

Hey W6,,oook heres my deal,,,i am on my ox cycle for 4weeks now.

The problem is,,, i do not feel like my muscles are Hard. I feel soft alot of the time. i have cut alot of my cardio,,,i only do spinning 2x's a week

My diet is 240p/140C/30f

i am trying to build more muscle ,,,,but i also think im retaining water. Could that be the reason i feel soft?

I dont know what im doing wrong

 

[hardbdygrl]

ok if ANYONE can help me i woul appreciate it

 

[hardbdygrl]

??

 

[new@gettinbig]

Are you training heavy? What is your training routine like? What is your body fat? Post exactly what you are eating..a typical day for you....could be a number of things....could be fake ox too??

 

[hardbdygrl]

hey new,,,,,,,,i am lifting as heavy as i can 6days a week,,, i think i have made some good gains, i have compared pics i have,, and i can see a difference,,but i just dont know why i feel soft some days and hard others, when i do not change my diet

My diet

10am am6egg whites 2 pieces of whole wheat bread

1:00pm i can of tuna sandwich on whole wheat bread

4:00pm either 1 can of tuna or 4oz of chicken and 1/2 cup rice

6:30 workout
8:30 protein shake
9:30 2-3 0z of chicken

11:00pm 2tbls of natural peanutbutter

im positive it is not fake ox,,but before i started the cycle i took a water pill 2x's a day ( i know thats very bad) so now i havent really been taking them probably only 1 a week,,,, so im thinking maybe thats why i am retaining the water,,,, lol thats probably exactly why now that i think of it,,lol anyway

 

[new@gettinbig]

Personally I think you need more food!!! You are not taking in a whole lot..What are your training splits? You could be overtraining!!! Change up your diet..rotate your carbs..do not eat the same every day..your body will get used to it and adapt. Take in some more protein girl!!

 

[tripleV]

more protein...and more cals too...and cut out the bread, i think bread makes me soft...

 

[hardbdygrl]

mmm really tv bread makes u soft? so what the heck am i supposed to eat???? i was thinking it was the rice that made me soft,,lol who knows,,, everyones body reacts soo differently,,, my b/f is 12,,, i gained 10lbs in 1 month,,so im guessing alot of it is water,, i havent done cardio since saturday,,, i thought i ate alot saturday night and sunday,,,but i just got back from the gym and my workout was just OK... i was not impressed by it...i dont know i got a lot of stuff on my mind right now,,so that could be it tooo

monday shoulders
tues,,bis and calves
wed quads/cardio/abs
thursday chest &tris
friday back
saturday cardio
sunday glutes and hamstring

 

[tripleV]

well another thing is that you are only 4 weeks into your cycle, i didnt notice any significant gains for the first 6 weeks or so on winny as i started real low. i mean i noticed stuff, but nothing significant for a while, then bammo

 

[hardbdygrl]

thanks TV!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Superman7]

Hi hrd

Hi hard baby.. How have you been?? I did get a chance to check out your pics.. Looks to me like the cycle is doing you good girl. I do agree with new in this case... You need more food.. Protein, protein, and more protein.. I'd throw some cottage chesse somewhere in that diet of yours.......

take care sweetie..

7

 

[hardbdygrl]

thanks Super7,,,,but i do not like cottage cheese,thats my problem,,,i dont like alot of stuff,,,im sitting here trying my hardest to eat a bowel of oatmeal,,,but its just not happening

 

[hardbdygrl]

lol hahaha sorry about that,,,to early for me to be typing spatts,,heheheh

 

[wilson6]

The way I see it:

4 total slices of bread = 45 g carbs

1/2 cup rice = 25 g carbs

That's a total of 70g per day, maybe a little more depending on what else is in there, but not enough to replenish the glycogen of a 2 lb Brown Norway rat after a hard treadmill run let alone a human.

Increase your carbs for 2 days @ 200-250 grams per day. I don't care what you eat. 1 pint of non-fat ice cream loaded with sugar would be fine. Just keep the fat low on the high carb days. I'll bet you'll be hard in two days and have a pump and workout like you haven't had in a while.

Then rotate your carb days. There are plenty of recent examples posted. See some of SPATs threads.

Your problem is lack of carbs. The reason you feel harder on some days probably has to do with the amount of carbs you burn. At your current carb intake, on lighter lifting days or smaller bodyparts, you begin to replenish, thus you feel a little harder, but your intake is still way below what it should be. So, you hit a heavy day and get crushed then feel flat.

The way I knew when my client was cheating on her diet was when she looked full, hard and vascular at the end of 2 low carb days along with having unlimited energy and a good mental outlook toward training. Dead giveaway that she was eating plenty of pie filling (pure sugar).

W6

 

[VooDoo Lady]

Dead giveaway that she was eating plenty of pie filling (pure sugar).

OMG you kill me W6!

Bear with me folks - but this is a new concept to me - carb rotating for more energy and hardness??

I thought carb rotating was for cutting fat only -

What kind of timeframe is optimal for carb rotating? Should I plan on doing it for a month then switch it up?

(as ususal)

 

[hardbdygrl]

The way I see it:

4 total slices of bread = 45 g carbs

1/2 cup rice = 25 g carbs

That's a total of 70g per day, maybe a little more depending on what else is in there, but not enough to replenish the glycogen of a 2 lb Brown Norway rat after a hard treadmill run let alone a human.


lol well geez that sure puts things into perspective,,,Thank you soo much wilson. I just wish i would have brought my carbs with me today,,,dammit!!!! anyway well i will be going shopping tonight,,,,,, when u say eat sugar,,,,like what exactly,,,white bread, fuit, obviously the fat free ice cream,,,, but any other suggestions????

 

[wilson6]

At this point, even the "white death" as Lobo would put it won't hurt (i.e., something with simple sugar in it) to get the glycogen back up quick. After that with rotating carbs stay away from simple sugars except a once a week dessert. Use grains, pasta, potatos, etc for the higher carb days and vegs for the low carb days. Just keep the fat low on higher carb days. Use protein to fill the calories up when on lower carbs.

Make the food something you like so it serves as a psychological satisfaction as well as a necessary physiological one. But, don't go overboard (days and days) on the carbs or you'll be a whale in a flash.

Rotating carbs year round in my opinion is the best way to go. Keeps the fat down and muscle up. Change total calories to either gain muscle, maintain or lose fat.

For the short-term solution,

How about a big pasta dish with red sauce, lean steak, baked beans and some non-fat ice cream or low fat but high sugar dessert (cake or whatever you like).

Do a breakfast at Bob Evans. Pancakes with fruit topping, egg beaters, turkey breast and a roll.

Lunch, more pasta and some chicken breast.

A thick crust double cheese pizza to finish off the festival of freedom. Time this one as the dinner before a heavy leg day. You'll notice the difference.

48 hrs of this eating should do it, then back to a more sane food intake. The pump you get should about burst your skin on the next workout.

You may feel bloated with this initial carb load, but after a week or so, things should settle out and you should have the energy and look you want.

Keep the toilet plunger handy. A heavy 48 hr feeding has some interesting "end" results.

W6

 

[hardbdygrl]

lol oooh boy wilson ur trying to kill me,,,,,,,hahah i cant even remember the last time i had pizza,,pancakes,,or anything else for that matter besides chicken and tuna,,,,,lol i think hell will freeze over if i eat a pizza,,hahahhahaha

no but i will give it a try,,,,whats the worst that can happen,,get fat for a day or two,,,,no biggie,,,,

 

[wilson6]

"i cant even remember the last time i had pizza,,pancakes,,or anything else for that matter besides chicken and tuna"

and that is your problem.

"whats the worst that can happen,,get fat for a day or two"

Get fat from eating well for two days? Paranoia.

You'd have to eat 1 lb of carbohydrate above what you burn to add 1/4 pound (maybe) of fat.

You may have some water retention for a couple of days, but little fat accumulation.

Give it a try and let us know what happens.

W6

 

[hardbdygrl]

i know wilson,,,,i have a little problem with food as u can tell,,,but im trying to get over it,,,,,,
im gonna try the carb rotation tonight


ooooh ook spatts are u ready to eat some carbs missy??????????

 

[NubianBeauty]

Spatts can you email me those recipes? I think something is wrong with my pms. I sent you one but it does not even show up that I did.

[email protected]

 

[hardbdygrl]

ok wilson well i did some carb loading,,,,not exactly what u told me to eat,,,,lol buuut im trying,,,, My arms feel great,,,,,i trained them yesterday,,but they feel rock hard,,,my upper body feels great,,,i can feel the muscles contracting everytime i move!!!!!

 

[KBgrl]

i can feel the muscles contracting everytime i move!!!!! [/B]

um, must look as good as it sounds.........


hows it going....... feelin "jacked" ..............


luv always---------------------- the one!