Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I've heard one guy that uses 3-5grams per day and swears he does not get any flu/colds as a result. Is that too high? Why?
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Itsadeepburn
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Nah man, there is never to much Vitamin C. Heres how you do it, start at like 4 grams a day, and move up 1 gram a day until you get the absorbic acid flush (the shits) then back down like 2 grams. I take anywhere between 5-10 grams a day, but make sure you get it from different sources, like chewables, time released, drink powders.....the Emergen-C brand is the best....it is 1000mg of Vit C and is loaded with B vitamins. I have also heard somewhere that since Vitamin C aids in healing it can also help with muscle recovery after lifting....Havent looked into that so i dont know how true it is. I have been doing this for about 2 years, and i havent been sick since.
alex2678
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Same here 5-10 grams a day. 10-20 grams on the onset of a cold. I tell my doctor I do this and of course he says it's ineffective but I strongly disagree. You don't need science to back up how you feel. I'll post this again. There's a lot more literature on Vitamin C too:
The body does not manufacture vitamin C on its own, nor does it store it. That's why it's important to include plenty of vitamin C in your daily diet. Large amounts of vitamin C are used by the body during any kind of healing process, whether it's from an infection, disease, injury, or surgery. In these cases extra vitamin C may be needed.
Vitamin C is important for connective tissue repair. Although beneficial to athletes participating in a variety of sports, vitamin C is especially important to body builders whose training causes the most connective tissue damage.
Vitamin C is also important to athletes because, as an antioxidant, it may help to reverse some of the oxidative damage that may occur from exercise. This oxidative damage, caused by free radicals, interferes with the cells ability to function normally and is believed to play a role in many different health conditions, including the aging process, cancer, and heart disease.
Vitamin C promotes a healthy immune system and may help to prevent the dip in immune function that can occur after exercise. In most well-controlled studies, exercise performance has not been shown to improve following supplementation with vitamin C, unless a deficiency exists, as might occur in someone trying to lose weight by following a low-calorie diet, or with unhealthy eating patterns [7, 8].
However, placebo-controlled research has shown that taking 400 to 3,000 milligrams of vitamin C per day for several days before and after intense exercise reduces pain and speeds up muscle strength recovery [3, 4, 5].
Vitamin C also appears to have a beneficial effect on cortisol levels following both resistance and aerobic exercise. Cortisol is a catabolic hormone that encourages the breakdown of muscle tissue. It's also linked with abdominal fat and various health problems, including diabetes, heart disease and depression. Cortisol may also weaken your immune system, leaving you more susceptible to illness.
A group of weightlifters, for example, consuming one gram of vitamin C daily for two weeks had lower cortisol levels 24 hours after exercise than a group using no vitamin C [10]. What's more, 500 milligrams of vitamin C daily for four weeks has also been shown to lower cortisol levels 48-hours after a 90-kilometer marathon [9].
Traditionally, vitamin C has been used to reduce the risk of "catching a cold." Since 1971, 21 studies have been carried out to establish whether vitamin C affects the common cold. In each of the 21 studies, vitamin C reduced the duration of episodes and the severity of the symptoms of the common cold by an average of 23% [1].
In one of them most recent trials, a group using vitamin C had significantly fewer colds (37 vs 50), fewer days challenged virally (85 vs 178), and a shorter duration of severe symptoms (1.8 vs 3.1 days). In other words, vitamin C users are less likely to get a cold. And if they do, they'll recover faster than people who don't use the supplement.
More recently, researchers have shown that vitamin C improves nitric oxide activity [2]. Nitric oxide acts as your body's master "cell-signalling" molecule, directing and ordering a complex array of activities. It regulates blood flow, muscle contraction, nerve signalling and muscle growth, to name just a few [6].
The body does not manufacture vitamin C on its own, nor does it store it. That's why it's important to include plenty of vitamin C in your daily diet. Large amounts of vitamin C are used by the body during any kind of healing process, whether it's from an infection, disease, injury, or surgery. In these cases extra vitamin C may be needed.
Vitamin C is important for connective tissue repair. Although beneficial to athletes participating in a variety of sports, vitamin C is especially important to body builders whose training causes the most connective tissue damage.
Vitamin C is also important to athletes because, as an antioxidant, it may help to reverse some of the oxidative damage that may occur from exercise. This oxidative damage, caused by free radicals, interferes with the cells ability to function normally and is believed to play a role in many different health conditions, including the aging process, cancer, and heart disease.
Vitamin C promotes a healthy immune system and may help to prevent the dip in immune function that can occur after exercise. In most well-controlled studies, exercise performance has not been shown to improve following supplementation with vitamin C, unless a deficiency exists, as might occur in someone trying to lose weight by following a low-calorie diet, or with unhealthy eating patterns [7, 8].
However, placebo-controlled research has shown that taking 400 to 3,000 milligrams of vitamin C per day for several days before and after intense exercise reduces pain and speeds up muscle strength recovery [3, 4, 5].
Vitamin C also appears to have a beneficial effect on cortisol levels following both resistance and aerobic exercise. Cortisol is a catabolic hormone that encourages the breakdown of muscle tissue. It's also linked with abdominal fat and various health problems, including diabetes, heart disease and depression. Cortisol may also weaken your immune system, leaving you more susceptible to illness.
A group of weightlifters, for example, consuming one gram of vitamin C daily for two weeks had lower cortisol levels 24 hours after exercise than a group using no vitamin C [10]. What's more, 500 milligrams of vitamin C daily for four weeks has also been shown to lower cortisol levels 48-hours after a 90-kilometer marathon [9].
Traditionally, vitamin C has been used to reduce the risk of "catching a cold." Since 1971, 21 studies have been carried out to establish whether vitamin C affects the common cold. In each of the 21 studies, vitamin C reduced the duration of episodes and the severity of the symptoms of the common cold by an average of 23% [1].
In one of them most recent trials, a group using vitamin C had significantly fewer colds (37 vs 50), fewer days challenged virally (85 vs 178), and a shorter duration of severe symptoms (1.8 vs 3.1 days). In other words, vitamin C users are less likely to get a cold. And if they do, they'll recover faster than people who don't use the supplement.
More recently, researchers have shown that vitamin C improves nitric oxide activity [2]. Nitric oxide acts as your body's master "cell-signalling" molecule, directing and ordering a complex array of activities. It regulates blood flow, muscle contraction, nerve signalling and muscle growth, to name just a few [6].
alex2678 said:
Ok, so I've gone through buying 100% ascorbic acid (mixing in water), to timed release caps (over 8-12 hours). After allot more research, I was wondering where I can get my hands on some injectable vit C? The benefits of 20-200GRAMS per day are enormous if done intravenously/IM. Can anyone point me the right direction? ...k for help...
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Itsadeepburn
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Ill bump this.......Shooting up Vitamin C? Sounds like to much work....but id like to hear about it.
alex2678
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Assertive Guy said:
I'm sure you've seen this if you were researching the topic:
http://www.healing-arts.org/mehl-madrona/mmintravenous.htm
Here's one source:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=4&q=http://www.zalmo.com/vitamins.html&e=14977
Do a google image search for "injectable Vitamin C" and there's some other places as well. I got great results with regards to cold prevention by just taking a ton of the orals, but it's worth looking into.
Just noticed the 500 mg. per dose on the box. Might not be exactly what you're looking for but I'll keep an eye out.
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celica
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Gen Smedley Butler won TWO (2) MEDALS of HONOR, and deserved another; Linus Pauling won TWO (2) NOBEL PRIZES. I trust their insight over today's politicians or media or "our" DEPT. Homeland Security.
http://www.orthomolecular.org/resou...ns/v01n12.shtml
Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, Vitamin C Beats Bird Flu and Other Viruses, Too (OMNS) High dose vitamin C is a remarkably safe and effective treatment for viral infections. [1,2] In high doses, vitamin C neutralizes free radicals, helps kill viruses, and strengthens the body's immune system. Taking supplemental vitamin C routinely helps prevent viral infections. The Avian Flu (or Bird Flu), so often mentioned by newspapers, magazines and other news sources, is a particularly severe form of influenza. It should probably be called Poultry Flu, since almost all of the 150 or so human infections have come from domestic poultry. [3] Interestingly, the symptoms of avian flu include hemorrhages under the skin, and bleeding from the nose and gums. These are also classical symptoms of clinical scurvy, which means a critical vitamin C deficiency is present. This means that vitamin C (ascorbate) is needed to treat it. Severe cases may require 200,000 to 300,000 milligrams of
vitamin C or more, given intravenously (IV) by a physician. This very high dosing may be needed since the Avian Flu appears to consume vitamin C very rapidly, similar to an acute viral hemorrhagic fever, somewhat like an Ebola infection. What should you do if you think you have a viral infection - any viral infection - coming on and IV vitamin C is not readily available? Nobel laureate Linus Pauling said that as soon as you feel the symptoms of sniffles, a cold or the flu, take oral doses of thousands of milligrams of vitamin C. For best results, take vitamin C in evenly divided doses during the waking hours. Continue taking vitamin C on this schedule until, Pauling says, you have loose stool (just short of diarrhea). After having loosened stool, reduce the vitamin C dosage reduce by about 25 per cent. If you have another loose stool, reduce the vitamin C again, but if the symptoms of the viral infection begin to return, increase the dosage. You will quickly learn how much
vitamin C to take; even children can learn to do this. Continue until you are completely well. Vitamin C greatly shortens the severity and duration of viral illnesses. Vitamin C expert Robert Cathcart, M.D., specifies very high therapeutic doses of vitamin C. For a severe cold: 60,000 to 100,000 milligrams/day. [4] For most influenza (flu), 100,000 to 150,000 mg/day. [5] For Avian (Bird) Flu, 150,000 to 300,000 mg/day.[6] Remember: Vitamin C replaces antiviral drugs at saturation (bowel tolerance or loose stool) levels. The reason very high doses of a vitamin can cure an illnesses is because a disease-induced deficiency of that vitamin can be a cause of the illness. As for the safety of this approach: There is not even one death per year from vitamins. Pharmaceutical drugs, properly prescribed and taken as directed, kill over 100,000 Americans annually. Hospital errors kill still more. Unlike drugs, with vitamins, the range of safe dosages is extraordinarily large. What
is Orthomolecular Medicine? Linus Pauling defined orthomolecular medicine as "the treatment of disease by the provision of the optimum molecular environment, especially the optimum concentrations of substances normally present in the human body." Orthomolecular medicine uses safe, effective nutritional therapy to fight illness. For more information: http://www.orthomolecular.org Take the Orthomolecular Quiz at http://www.orthomolecular.org/quiz/index.shtml The peer-reviewed Orthomolecular Medicine News Service is a non-profit and non-commercial informational resource. Editorial Review Board:
Abram Hoffer, M.D., Ph.D.
Harold D. Foster, Ph.D.
Bradford Weeks, M.D.
Carolyn Dean, M.D. N.D.
Erik Paterson, M.D.
Thomas Levy, M.D., J.D. Andrew W. Saul, Ph.D., Editor and contact person. Email: [email protected] To UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.orthomolecular.org/unsubscribe.html
To subscribe at no charge: http://www.orthomolecular.org/subscribe.html References:
1. Gorton HC, Jarvis K. The effectiveness of vitamin C in preventing and relieving the symptoms of virus-induced respiratory infections. J Manipulative Physiol Ther. 1999 Oct;22
530-3. "Vitamin C in megadoses administered before or after the appearance of cold and flu symptoms relieved and prevented the symptoms in the test population compared with the control group."
2. Smith L. (Ed) Clinical guide to the use of vitamin C. (Also published as: Vitamin C as a fundamental medicine: Abstracts of Dr. Frederick R. Klenner, M.D.'s published and unpublished work) 1988. F. R. Klenner, M.D., "reports cases of influenza, encephalitis, and measles easily cured with Vitamin C injections and oral doses." http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorb..._guide_1988.htm
3. http://my.webmd.com/content/article/112/110522.htm
4. Cathcart RF. Vitamin C, titrating to bowel tolerance, anascorbemia, and acute induced scurvy. Medical Hypotheses, 7:1359-1376. http://www.orthomed.com/titrate.htm
5. Cathcart RF. Treatment of the flu with massive doses of vitamin C. http://www.orthomed.com/mystery.htm#treatment
6. Cathcart RF. Avian (bird) flu. http://www.orthomed.com/bird.htm (end)
"Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus Pauling
Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health and well being
http://www.orthomolecular.org/resou...ns/v01n12.shtml
Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, Vitamin C Beats Bird Flu and Other Viruses, Too (OMNS) High dose vitamin C is a remarkably safe and effective treatment for viral infections. [1,2] In high doses, vitamin C neutralizes free radicals, helps kill viruses, and strengthens the body's immune system. Taking supplemental vitamin C routinely helps prevent viral infections. The Avian Flu (or Bird Flu), so often mentioned by newspapers, magazines and other news sources, is a particularly severe form of influenza. It should probably be called Poultry Flu, since almost all of the 150 or so human infections have come from domestic poultry. [3] Interestingly, the symptoms of avian flu include hemorrhages under the skin, and bleeding from the nose and gums. These are also classical symptoms of clinical scurvy, which means a critical vitamin C deficiency is present. This means that vitamin C (ascorbate) is needed to treat it. Severe cases may require 200,000 to 300,000 milligrams of
vitamin C or more, given intravenously (IV) by a physician. This very high dosing may be needed since the Avian Flu appears to consume vitamin C very rapidly, similar to an acute viral hemorrhagic fever, somewhat like an Ebola infection. What should you do if you think you have a viral infection - any viral infection - coming on and IV vitamin C is not readily available? Nobel laureate Linus Pauling said that as soon as you feel the symptoms of sniffles, a cold or the flu, take oral doses of thousands of milligrams of vitamin C. For best results, take vitamin C in evenly divided doses during the waking hours. Continue taking vitamin C on this schedule until, Pauling says, you have loose stool (just short of diarrhea). After having loosened stool, reduce the vitamin C dosage reduce by about 25 per cent. If you have another loose stool, reduce the vitamin C again, but if the symptoms of the viral infection begin to return, increase the dosage. You will quickly learn how much
vitamin C to take; even children can learn to do this. Continue until you are completely well. Vitamin C greatly shortens the severity and duration of viral illnesses. Vitamin C expert Robert Cathcart, M.D., specifies very high therapeutic doses of vitamin C. For a severe cold: 60,000 to 100,000 milligrams/day. [4] For most influenza (flu), 100,000 to 150,000 mg/day. [5] For Avian (Bird) Flu, 150,000 to 300,000 mg/day.[6] Remember: Vitamin C replaces antiviral drugs at saturation (bowel tolerance or loose stool) levels. The reason very high doses of a vitamin can cure an illnesses is because a disease-induced deficiency of that vitamin can be a cause of the illness. As for the safety of this approach: There is not even one death per year from vitamins. Pharmaceutical drugs, properly prescribed and taken as directed, kill over 100,000 Americans annually. Hospital errors kill still more. Unlike drugs, with vitamins, the range of safe dosages is extraordinarily large. What
is Orthomolecular Medicine? Linus Pauling defined orthomolecular medicine as "the treatment of disease by the provision of the optimum molecular environment, especially the optimum concentrations of substances normally present in the human body." Orthomolecular medicine uses safe, effective nutritional therapy to fight illness. For more information: http://www.orthomolecular.org Take the Orthomolecular Quiz at http://www.orthomolecular.org/quiz/index.shtml The peer-reviewed Orthomolecular Medicine News Service is a non-profit and non-commercial informational resource. Editorial Review Board:
Abram Hoffer, M.D., Ph.D.
Harold D. Foster, Ph.D.
Bradford Weeks, M.D.
Carolyn Dean, M.D. N.D.
Erik Paterson, M.D.
Thomas Levy, M.D., J.D. Andrew W. Saul, Ph.D., Editor and contact person. Email: [email protected] To UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.orthomolecular.org/unsubscribe.html
To subscribe at no charge: http://www.orthomolecular.org/subscribe.html References:
1. Gorton HC, Jarvis K. The effectiveness of vitamin C in preventing and relieving the symptoms of virus-induced respiratory infections. J Manipulative Physiol Ther. 1999 Oct;22
530-3. "Vitamin C in megadoses administered before or after the appearance of cold and flu symptoms relieved and prevented the symptoms in the test population compared with the control group." 2. Smith L. (Ed) Clinical guide to the use of vitamin C. (Also published as: Vitamin C as a fundamental medicine: Abstracts of Dr. Frederick R. Klenner, M.D.'s published and unpublished work) 1988. F. R. Klenner, M.D., "reports cases of influenza, encephalitis, and measles easily cured with Vitamin C injections and oral doses." http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorb..._guide_1988.htm
3. http://my.webmd.com/content/article/112/110522.htm
4. Cathcart RF. Vitamin C, titrating to bowel tolerance, anascorbemia, and acute induced scurvy. Medical Hypotheses, 7:1359-1376. http://www.orthomed.com/titrate.htm
5. Cathcart RF. Treatment of the flu with massive doses of vitamin C. http://www.orthomed.com/mystery.htm#treatment
6. Cathcart RF. Avian (bird) flu. http://www.orthomed.com/bird.htm (end)
"Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus Pauling
Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health and well being
MikeMartial
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alex2678 said:
Cheers bro. I have seen the links, and Im looking for something much stronger here.
