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wutangnomo
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Vince is one of the most overrated players in the NBA. About damn time the Raptors FINALLY traded him, though I'll miss the flashy dunks. Then again, it's not like he was doing flashy dunks anymore anyway. Vince is one of the wimpiest players in the league and the Raptors made some big runs in the past without him in the lineup. Raps finally have rebounders, defense and toughness. A few more deals and they'll be a great team once again. New Jersey is gonna suck without any big tough guys in the paint.
calveless wonder
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wutangnomo said:
Vince is not overrated...in fact he's one of the most talented players in the nba and probably one of the most talented it's ever seen. He's just a MAJOR underacheiver
He's a typical super- talented, underacheving player. He just doesn't have the drive or the work ethic to excel to the next level. He's been playing half assed the past few seasons and solely getting by with his ability....He's been putting up 20+ ppg's without even trying.
I've seen carter play in person many times and some of the shots he hit against my Knicks were absolutely ridiculous. When he wants to, he can be a top 5 player in the NBA
The most talented aren't usually at the top of anything in life,sadly.They use their ability to get them by life and typically don't work as hard as they should. I know because i'm one of these people, at least in my life...and there's tons of people like that in the NBA (Eddy curry, Tim Thomas, etc)
it's the people that are most consistent that are at the top.......if you can find the rare combo with both the ability and work ethic then you have an unstoppable person.
Just watch......if vince can stay healthy (and btw i think most of his past injuries were bullshit excuses), he's gonna be back to where he should be. Jason kidd and richard jefferson play at a very very high level every night. He's no longer "the man" and he's gonna be held accountable for everything he does. You're gonna see a completely different player. place your bets now
It was about dam time!
wutangnomo
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I disagree with you on many levels. Firstly, Vince IS overrated because many people say he is a great player when he has not proven himself. That is what overrated means. What has Vince accomplished for the Raptors?? Vince is not an overrated dunker because that's just about the ONLY thing he has proven he does well. He's got a lousy field goal percentage, he doesn't get to the free throw line, and more importantly, he has barely made the Raptors successful. The Raptors made the playoffs a few years ago by winning the last 9 or so games of the season WITHOUT Vince in the lineup. Every time the Raptors were in the playoffs Vince choaked, while T-Mac or Alvin Williams carried the team. Why does he get so much acclaim when he's pretty much accomplish didly squat for the Raptors? That's why he's overrated.
I never said Vince had no talent. Yes he's got talent, but he's not great and far from being one of the most talented players the NBA has seen. Seriously now that statement was just waayyy far-fetched.
I'm from Toronto and watch the Raptors play as much as possible. I've recognized that not only is Vince slow, teams now know how to defend him. He drives to his left most the time. He's a predictable player. He settles for jump shots and is SOFT which is why his numbers are getting worse with each passing season. Lets not talk about Vince's shitty sub-par defense.
I agree that with the Nets Vince's numbers will improve, but that's because he is no longer "the man" as he can depend on two other superstars. How can you say Vince is a great player when he is not even "the man"? The Nets will be an average team at best because they have no inside game, which is exactly what happened to the Raptors when they traded Antonio Davis and Jerome Williams. You think Scalibrini and Collins are formidable big men? lol
I never said Vince had no talent. Yes he's got talent, but he's not great and far from being one of the most talented players the NBA has seen. Seriously now that statement was just waayyy far-fetched.
I'm from Toronto and watch the Raptors play as much as possible. I've recognized that not only is Vince slow, teams now know how to defend him. He drives to his left most the time. He's a predictable player. He settles for jump shots and is SOFT which is why his numbers are getting worse with each passing season. Lets not talk about Vince's shitty sub-par defense.
I agree that with the Nets Vince's numbers will improve, but that's because he is no longer "the man" as he can depend on two other superstars. How can you say Vince is a great player when he is not even "the man"? The Nets will be an average team at best because they have no inside game, which is exactly what happened to the Raptors when they traded Antonio Davis and Jerome Williams. You think Scalibrini and Collins are formidable big men? lol
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Island Son
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Did he tip off the Sonics?
What a dumbass move
What a dumbass move
Testosterone boy
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Looks like Shaq and the Heat are in the groove these days.
Yay.
Yay.
calveless wonder
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For all you guys saying i exaggerated......
What i meant specifically was,Vince carter is one of the most athletic basketball players ever. As far as athletic talent, not many can match him. His playoff growing pains were normal for someone that young. Every great player has had them. i'm not saying vince IS one the greatest players the league has ever seen but he could be is my point, based on ability and talent alone. There's only one player in the league now that hits as many impossible shots as he does and that's kobe.
If he had a work ethic he'd be one of the best players in the league, period. He can play defense, he's quick enough and strong enough for a SF...he just doesn't have the motivation to play hard. Tim thomas, same thing...The most hyped high school kid ever next to lebron james. He was the next great player in the NBA but he lacks the mental toughness or drive to do it.
just watch, vince is gonna have a breakout year if he can stay healthy..
What i meant specifically was,Vince carter is one of the most athletic basketball players ever. As far as athletic talent, not many can match him. His playoff growing pains were normal for someone that young. Every great player has had them. i'm not saying vince IS one the greatest players the league has ever seen but he could be is my point, based on ability and talent alone. There's only one player in the league now that hits as many impossible shots as he does and that's kobe.
If he had a work ethic he'd be one of the best players in the league, period. He can play defense, he's quick enough and strong enough for a SF...he just doesn't have the motivation to play hard. Tim thomas, same thing...The most hyped high school kid ever next to lebron james. He was the next great player in the NBA but he lacks the mental toughness or drive to do it.
just watch, vince is gonna have a breakout year if he can stay healthy..
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Testosterone boy
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Best avatar yetSeashell said:Good damn riddance. I'm so happy to see him gone.
And ha! at us beating them today.
Dunk
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really? b/c if im not mistaken we whooped up on Cleveland on i think it was a Sunday game. Yeaaaaaah. it was.
the Knicks are a work in progress dude. Give them time. They are a bigman away from being a serious contender. Marbury is GOD, and Crawford is the real deal. Throw a legitimate center in that mix and they are dangerous.
We need to rid ourselves of Allan Houston though.
the Knicks are a work in progress dude. Give them time. They are a bigman away from being a serious contender. Marbury is GOD, and Crawford is the real deal. Throw a legitimate center in that mix and they are dangerous.
We need to rid ourselves of Allan Houston though.
JKurz1
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NOPE....you are 100% correct...in NY, the knicks whooped us....like 10-12 if I recall.....I also think Lebron had a extremely shitty game (early in the season, but no excuse) and E.SNow didn't dress..........nonetheless, thwy still won..........what I meant was come playoff time, when it matters.............also, I think they got each other a few more times this year.............and rebuilding????? No one has been rebuilding like the Cavs.........it's been about 50 years.........
Silas is a McGinnis guy, dont wait for Snow to get more playing time, hes pretty much out of the rotation in Cleveland. The Knicks have the talent, but are very inconsistent. As far as Vince, hes quick, strong, and probably a top 5 ATHLETE in the NBA, but his work ethic is shit. I wouldnt be surprised to see his injuries disappear now that he has JKidd throwing him lobs all day.
JKurz1
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thanx bro..it was a pretty big win, simply because it was the best ball Ive seen them play this year....just saw the knicks are lightn up the celtics....damn I hate boston........dunk said:
Nets are running with us right now (C are up 4), but they're tough.....kidd......still got some moves......
calveless wonder
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dunk said:
We're a very good, deep team but we can't play defense. Marbury is turning into a great leader, crawford is good but still very erractic and young (prone to make mistakes). Tim Thomas is starting to play better, and allan houston is back.......but all of that means nothing because we let teams shoot 50% against us on a consistent basis. We got whooped by dallas and blew a lead against the celtics tonight because we couldn't stop them.
Good thing is we have alot of players with upside. Nazr mohammed is starting to become a beast inside and Michael Sweetney and trevor ariza are gonna be very good players in this league once they get more minutes/experience.
wutangnomo
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calveless wonder said:
Vince is definitely athletic, no doubt about that. But to say that he is one of the most talented players is stretching it. Firstly, Vince is not as quick as you think. He's got fast hands, but his footwork is slow. Vince's defense is average at best (partly attributed to his slow footwork). He's no Kobe, no T-Mac, and certainly no Jordan when it comes to defense and he'll never be. All the truly great players could play defense, Vince can't.
Probably the only thing Vince is tops at is jumping ability. As far as being strong, Vince is weak, he's a wimp, he's soft, he's a pussy. Why do you think he rarely gets to the free throw line? He's afraid of contact and usually settles for jump shots.
You mention a whole lot of if this and if that. There are a million other basketball players who have come and gone that had potential IF they worked hard. Vince has not proven didly squat. He's not a clutch player. You attribute his playoff woes to his youth, well wasn't T-Mac also young when he carried the Raptors when Vince couldn't? Look at Lebron, only in his second year and he's already a superstar. Is youth an excuse for that?
All the great players made their teams successful rather early on. Vince never did.
