Vets: Potassium supplementing nescessary while ON?

[jagerbombme]

I think I have pinpointed the problems i've been having at night, afib and aflutter, palps and tach to low potassium and possibly magnesium. Is this possible? Man i'd be happier than a pig in shit if I knew I could hit the juice hard now without worrying about my heart irregularly beating and keeping me up all night.

 

[jagerbombme]

I think I have pinpointed the problems i've been having at night, afib and aflutter, palps and tach to low potassium and possibly magnesium. Is this possible? Man i'd be happier than a pig in shit if I knew I could hit the juice hard now without worrying about my heart irregularly beating and keeping me up all night.

I'm also finding about 12-16 per day is what your looking for, i have the potassium asportaerear or some shit, hehe. it says it's 3 percent of daily value. does this seem right?

 

[daveyboy2345]

check this out. Leave potassium (99mg, 3%) store brand tablets alone you need way too many 5-10 day to get anywhere with them. Instead use No Salt brand salt substitute. It is 50% potassium chloride by weight and at last 5-7 times cheaper per gram than even the cheapest tablets from a store.

1/8 teaspoon 2x a day is enough for most people.--650 mg potassium total.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

I dont think low electrolytes cause atrial dysrhytmias. magnesium and low potassium cause ventricular rhythms.

Have you had an EKG to show it is a fib and a flutter?

 

[st8grad]

I dont think low electrolytes cause atrial dysrhytmias. magnesium and low potassium cause ventricular rhythms.

Have you had an EKG to show it is a fib and a flutter?

Exactly. And let's not forget too much potassium causing rhythm problems as well.

I should track back and see, but if you are the one that had a clear EKG then I am 99% certain the flutter you are having is more related to panic than electrolyte problems. It is more common at night when your mind has a chance to focus on heart rhythm and nothing else to occupy your thoughts?

If you have a clear EKG I would absolutely seek some assistance on the panic side of things. The longer you run from that diagnosis, the longer you are going to go through hell trying to find this "mysterious" cause.

It takes a stronger man to admit to something like that then to deny it is even possible.

Also, why would your electrolytes be chronically out of balance?

 

[holy ghost]

GatorADE

good thread guys

 

[Papa Lion]

check this out. Leave potassium (99mg, 3%) store brand tablets alone you need way too many 5-10 day to get anywhere with them. Instead use No Salt brand salt substitute. It is 50% potassium chloride by weight and at last 5-7 times cheaper per gram than even the cheapest tablets from a store.

1/8 teaspoon 2x a day is enough for most people.--650 mg potassium total.

I'll have to let my buddy know that, he swears he's gotta take potasium tabs or gets killer leg cramps!!

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

you may be having atrial tach, maybe even some PACs. I agree with papa on this one if you had a clear ekg then your fine. we get folks like this in the ER all the time and they freak out. it starts out as a mild anxiety reaction to the heart beating a little funny, "I felt a flutter" or "My heart was beating fast then all the sudden it felt like it stopped and when it started back up again it pumped really hard"

We cleae them they go home and they come back again and again and again then they get angry cause we cant find anything wrong with them. Most epople would be happy.

Trust me bro you don't wanna be one of those people. It is a miserable way to live. Do something about your anxiety.

 

[ironclaw]

I don''t ever take potassium supplements unless I'm taking clen.

 

[st8grad]

Yep. Since the hospital can't find anything wrong they search for some mysterious illness that is plaguing them.

And you can never quite find the cause and so the cycle perpetuates itself. If it was your heart they would find significant changes on the EKG or Holter Monitor.

You can try some natural stuff first if you don't want drugs like Paxil or Effexor.

Try L-Theanine and Valerian for calming and maybe 5-HTP for Serotonin production.

I'm serious. If nothing else, go to a professional and completely rule out anxiety as the cause. If you can do that, then by all means look up everything under the sun that causes afib.

you may be having atrial tach, maybe even some PACs. I agree with papa on this one if you had a clear ekg then your fine. we get folks like this in the ER all the time and they freak out. it starts out as a mild anxiety reaction to the heart beating a little funny, "I felt a flutter" or "My heart was beating fast then all the sudden it felt like it stopped and when it started back up again it pumped really hard"

We cleae them they go home and they come back again and again and again then they get angry cause we cant find anything wrong with them. Most epople would be happy.

Trust me bro you don't wanna be one of those people. It is a miserable way to live. Do something about your anxiety.

 

[mattdan]

Ok - I've been thru this before, maybe it's the same thing.

First, if you need potassium just drink a glass of OJ and eat a banana.

Second, be careful because excess potassium can cause issues as pointed out above. The main thing it can cause is water retention / bloat so be careful.

Here's the deal. When I was in excellent condition (i'm not right now) I constantly experienced atrial fib.

I was a paramedic at that time so I ran a ekg on myself during an episonde and took it into my doc.

He told me it was I was in such good physical condition that my heart bascially didn't need my atria - and this condition was common in atheletes.

Now at that time I was liftng 2 hours a day and running 3 to 5 miles 3 or more times a week. So I was in really good condition.

I don't know if that's a possibility with you, but if you are in the same kind of condition I was in at that time it may be normal and nothing to worry about. My doc told me some pro level atheletes convert to constant atrial fibrilation and that this is normal for them. Their hear is in such good condition it just doesn't need the atria.

Just food for thought.

 

[jagerbombme]

i know i have anxiety. but i also know that this wakes me up out of cold hard sleep. it is physical issue and not mentally induced. i've had many a panic attack before and had my heart race, but what happens with this is total erratic heartbeat. last friday i woke up in the morning and my heart was already doing it. it feels like theres a gas bubble in there and it feels like butterflies flieing around in my chest. when the paramedics picked me up saturday night cause it was doing it all night to me and i couldn't sleep, they said my pulse was jumping from 120-150 all over the place going fucking nutso and they said it looked like atrial flutter. i realize what your saying but this has happened to me like 15 fucking times now and it's to the point when its happening i don't fucking care cause i just want to fucking sleep and i ain't worried about a mother fucking thing. i also am only running 250mg of test cyp per week which doesn't scare me one bit cause of the small dosage. i don't know what to tell you other than that. i can feel my pulse on my neck when its doing it and my heart beat awareness becomes insane, it's so annoying its hard to go back to sleep. but i do cause im so fucking tired when this is happening. i appreciate the advice, but i have weird shit all the time and already have went through the trips to the er 5 years ago for thinking i was gonna die. im past that. this is a fucked up issue that testosterone shouldn't be causing. i've read the causes, caffiene, alcohol, stims. but during the day i'm fine. the first time this happened the docs told me my potass and mag was low.

i think it happens at night only cause the only time i eat foods rich in potassium is in the morning. during the day and toward evening i cut out the carbs and fruits. just meat and veggies. i don't know. maybe the juice is doing it. but i'm keeping my fingers crossed that the potassium supplements keeps this issue at bay so i can run some real deal tren and test together. i wouldn't dare think of it now with what test seems to be causing me.

now if your telling me that during sleep anxiety can cause me to freak out while im sleeping and fuck my heart beat all up so its not only tach but irregular pace. then i'm all ears about a solution.

 

[mattdan]

Ok bro. A pulse that high is not normal and is not what I was describing so forget the above.

What is your BP?

I'm not a doc of course and I'm not trying to cross the line, but I'm strongly suspecting sleep apnea.

A diuretic may stop this.

Do you wake up gasping for air?

 

[mattdan]

BTW - a diuretic and low potassium are a bad combo - if in fact you're low on potassium.

 

[mattdan]

I was waiting for a reply since you're online.

Ok, have a doc check out your potassium levels. Discontinue ALL drugs until this gets worked out.

If you're retaining water and your potassium levels are ok get on a diuretic. There are diuretics that do not lower potassium levels further, maybe that's an option.

Retaining water bloat CAN cause sleep apnea.

Nasal sprays can also help with sleep apnea.

Your thoughts?

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Ok - I've been thru this before, maybe it's the same thing.

First, if you need potassium just drink a glass of OJ and eat a banana.

Second, be careful because excess potassium can cause issues as pointed out above. The main thing it can cause is water retention / bloat so be careful.

Here's the deal. When I was in excellent condition (i'm not right now) I constantly experienced atrial fib.

I was a paramedic at that time so I ran a ekg on myself during an episonde and took it into my doc.

He told me it was I was in such good physical condition that my heart bascially didn't need my atria - and this condition was common in atheletes.

Now at that time I was liftng 2 hours a day and running 3 to 5 miles 3 or more times a week. So I was in really good condition.

I don't know if that's a possibility with you, but if you are in the same kind of condition I was in at that time it may be normal and nothing to worry about. My doc told me some pro level atheletes convert to constant atrial fibrilation and that this is normal for them. Their hear is in such good condition it just doesn't need the atria.

Just food for thought.

hey bro this is not a flam but your doc is a fucking quack. afib is never a good thing to be in. if anything atheltes become bradycardic not convert to afib. You heart needs your atrium to beat. if you come in and out of a fib then you risk throwing a clot.

When bloods pools in one area for a period of time it can form a clot. this is the case with a fib. The top chambers are not pumping. They are quivering. Blood is not moving very well at all it just sits there so your risk for a clot increases. Once one forms and you convert back the clot will cause some serious problems including death. AFIB is not a good rhythm to be in. Can you function on it sure most elderly people do, but they are on coumadin to preven clots.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

i know i have anxiety. but i also know that this wakes me up out of cold hard sleep. it is physical issue and not mentally induced. i've had many a panic attack before and had my heart race, but what happens with this is total erratic heartbeat. last friday i woke up in the morning and my heart was already doing it. it feels like theres a gas bubble in there and it feels like butterflies flieing around in my chest. when the paramedics picked me up saturday night cause it was doing it all night to me and i couldn't sleep, they said my pulse was jumping from 120-150 all over the place going fucking nutso and they said it looked like atrial flutter. i realize what your saying but this has happened to me like 15 fucking times now and it's to the point when its happening i don't fucking care cause i just want to fucking sleep and i ain't worried about a mother fucking thing. i also am only running 250mg of test testosterone cypionate per week which doesn't scare me one bit cause of the small dosage. i don't know what to tell you other than that. i can feel my pulse on my neck when its doing it and my heart beat awareness becomes insane, it's so annoying its hard to go back to sleep. but i do cause im so fucking tired when this is happening. i appreciate the advice, but i have weird shit all the time and already have went through the trips to the er 5 years ago for thinking i was gonna die. im past that. this is a fucked up issue that testosterone shouldn't be causing. i've read the causes, caffiene, alcohol, stims. but during the day i'm fine. the first time this happened the docs told me my potass and mag was low.

i think it happens at night only cause the only time i eat foods rich in potassium is in the morning. during the day and toward evening i cut out the carbs and fruits. just meat and veggies. i don't know. maybe the juice is doing it. but i'm keeping my fingers crossed that the potassium supplements keeps this issue at bay so i can run some real deal trenbolone and test together. i wouldn't dare think of it now with what test seems to be causing me.

now if your telling me that during sleep anxiety can cause me to freak out while im sleeping and fuck my heart beat all up so its not only tach but irregular pace. then i'm all ears about a solution.

maybe you do go in and out of afib/aflutter but it is not an electrolyte imbalance causing it. it is in electrical issue. You need to go and see an EP(electrophysiologists) MD. The specialize in the electiral aspect of the heart. You need a halter monitor so the can read the strips and see what happens and when it actually happens. They can give you meds like amiodarone to keep you in a normal sinus rhythm.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

BTW - a diuretic and low potassium are a bad combo - if in fact you're low on potassium.

There are potassium sparing diueretics out there.

 

[Powerbuilder333]

I use potassium only if I'm getting Tren cramps.
You A-Fib is NOT going to be better by supplementing minerials (unless you're low), and it might get worse.
We've discussed A-Fib before. I see you're still hoping for a cure short of a catheter ablation proceedure. My experience was it can't happen with out the proceedure.
Good Luck.

 

[jagerbombme]

I use potassium only if I'm getting trenbolone cramps.
You A-Fib is NOT going to be better by supplementing minerials (unless you're low), and it might get worse.
We've discussed A-Fib before. I see you're still hoping for a cure short of a catheter ablation proceedure. My experience was it can't happen with out the proceedure.
Good Luck.

ya, this is a reply to everyone. i am still hoping for the easy fix bro. hehe. it's gotten to the point that here's exactly what happens, i'm fine, until i lay down on my side or back. then i think the gravity of blood in my heart gets outta whack and throws everything into a fuck. im guessing this is due to the temporary hypertrophy of the left chamber????

 

[st8grad]

ya, this is a reply to everyone. i am still hoping for the easy fix bro. hehe. it's gotten to the point that here's exactly what happens, i'm fine, until i lay down on my side or back. then i think the gravity of blood in my heart gets outta whack and throws everything into a fuck. im guessing this is due to the temporary hypertrophy of the left chamber????

Well, I used to wake up from a sleep with panic attacks. Also I couldn't use my albuterol inhaler because I thought it caused a racing heart to....but for some reason I could take the oral medicine. Beta receptors in the heart, etc.

I wasn't stressed or worried about anything either. It doesn't have to be caused by anything that you even know about.

Paxil never really worked for me. It's SSRI. But Effexor, an SNRI, did work. I took a dose 37.5mg that is clinically not really supposed to even be effective. The last panic attack I had was the day before I started taking that. They stopped immediately. So if you think brain chemicals can't do this shit to you, think again.

But my point is, I would feel the same things you are exactly. Pulse would vary by 30 beats per minute ALL the time. But not always to full blown panic where it would be like 180-200 beats per minute. I could feel my pulse in my finger tips without touching them. If I put a remote control on my chest you could see it bounce up and down.

The stage you kind of are in is precipitory anxiety. You know in your mind that every night when you go to sleep your heart is going to race and flutter and skips beats....and it does. It keeps you at a level of readiness that over taxes your nervous system and fucks with you real good. The one thing that kept my awake at night quite a bit too was my pulse dropping low...like 55 beats per minute. I thought I needed to stay awake so my heart wouldn't stop.

So I'll say this. Try something mild like l-theanine tonight. It is a derivative in green tea that promotes relaxation. Solaray is the best...200mg. It doesn't make you drowsy, but it makes you calm. If it doesn't help then maybe go to the doctor and explore taking any of the meds like paxil, zoloft, effexor, etc.

Start on one of those and then demand to get all the tests done that you want. A new EKG, Holter monitor, MRI of your heart, and whatever. While all that is taking place over the course of weeks and months MAYBE the medicine will be helping take away the anxiety IF that truly is the cause.

It doesn't mean you need to stay on those meds forever and yes sometimes coming off them can be difficult. But I'll tell you that being on the medicine was a far better situation than dealing with constant anxiety and occasional panic attacks.

But the natural remedies work pretty well too. L-Theanine, Valerian, Kava Kava and 5-HTP.

I'm not telling you what to do bro. But I feel like I have walked down a similar path and I wouldn't want my worst enemy to go through that. I spent a long time denying that it was anxiety and panic related.

Somehow it just seemed so much stronger and masculine that it could be my heart or something wrong in my pulmonary system than chemical or psychological issues. But it's not a mental problem its a behavioral issue and can be influenced heavily by chemical balance in your brain which you have no control over and doesn't make you any less of a person.

And I am actually surprised with the fact that you will do anything to make this go away, but are dead set against taking something like Effexor that can help you in days rather than months.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

Good advice bro.


To the OP. You need to suck up the pride and just go and get your anxiety checked out. I know you think it is not anxiety but to be honest i see it like this alot at work. it starts out as something real but so minor it is nothing. They the MD gives discharge instructions and to protect his ass he has to give you worst case senarios on when to come back. People read the notes and begin to dwell on it or even just think about it.

They feel very similar symptoms and think it is getting worse and come right back. Then they cycle repeats itself. s8grad is giving good solid personal advice. take it and get it checked out and update us bro.

I hope they can fix your issue whether with an ablasion or medicine.

Good news is if it is something medical they can fix it, if it something mental/anxiety they can fix it.

 

[st8grad]

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Good advice bro.


To the OP. You need to suck up the pride and just go and get your anxiety checked out. I know you think it is not anxiety but to be honest i see it like this alot at work. it starts out as something real but so minor it is nothing. They the MD gives discharge instructions and to protect his ass he has to give you worst case senarios on when to come back. People read the notes and begin to dwell on it or even just think about it.

They feel very similar symptoms and think it is getting worse and come right back. Then they cycle repeats itself. s8grad is giving good solid personal advice. take it and get it checked out and update us bro.

I hope they can fix your issue whether with an ablasion or medicine.

Good news is if it is something medical they can fix it, if it something mental/anxiety they can fix it.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

lol

 

[jagerbombme]

i called a cardiovasculars office today i'm gonna have them check me out. thing is i have xanax on hand, i have been taking it regularly. taking it before any issues start to get a head start on staying calm. i do believe the brain could do it. you have a point. its all mind over matter hehe. maybe the juice is increasing my anxiety? and maybe that's all it is but irreguardless??? hehe spelling, my heart ends up in a fib or a flutter and thats a risky situation. i'd like to be able to run some tren, test, tbol, gh combo someday.


one added thing to powerlifter as he's been very helpful in the past and once again reminding me what i should do as he does work in cardiology. maybe you other guys do too and i am appreciating the advice and taking it to heart believe me. i'm down for any approach bro, i don't care about taking the shit, i'm injecting shit in my body already. anyways through the ramble the one added thing is i ran some igf and in the second week same shit happened to me.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

I have worked on a busy cardiac floor and cardiovascular ICU. The hospital I did my ER nursing in was the heart mecca of the city I was in. The hospital I am working in now is one of the top 100 heart places in the country.

Keep us posted on what hte cardio doc says bro.