Var vs. Dbol

[snizsniffer]

Anyone know which is more toxic to the liver and to what degree?

A while back I tried some QV Var and had a toxic reaction on the second day. Only 10 mgs/day too. I started one week after a couple weekends of heavy drinking and I have a history of high liver levels/drinking.

Well, still got lots of expensive Var, but now a friend has some pinks, and i'm dying to get a taste of the strength. I've been told Var is more liver toxic, but I know all orals are.

Opinions?

Sniz

 

[mookie]

There both 17aa so they are liver toxic but var is not more toxic than dbol if you have high liver values I wouldn't touch dbol. Don't listen to the person who is telling you var is more toxic than dbol.

 

[Bozwell]

Dose your freind want to do you in sell him the var and and by some test ,its almost non toxic and should give you the streanth gains your after
if you have liver trouble take some milk thistle it should help
btw dbol is harsher on the system than var you can give var to kids, I think its something to do with the number of toxic bonds or were the positioned one the substance in question

 

[nydj66]

If you have a history of high liver enzyme values it's best to stay away from all 17AA steroids (var, d-bol, winny, anadrol).

This means that nearly all orals are off limits to you. In fact, you'd do best to stay away from all gear until you're certain you have the drinking under control.

 

[asianlover]

you already have high liver value and you drink hevily and now you want to use a 17aa

 

[The Terminator]

If you have a history of high liver enzyme values it's best to stay away from all 17AA steroids (var, d-bol, winny, anadrol).

Agreed....

 

[Outtlaw]

Anyone know which is more toxic to the liver and to what degree?

A while back I tried some QV Var and had a toxic reaction on the second day. Only 10 mgs/day too. I started one week after a couple weekends of heavy drinking and I have a history of high liver levels/drinking.

Well, still got lots of expensive Var, but now a friend has some pinks, and i'm dying to get a taste of the strength. I've been told Var is more liver toxic, but I know all orals are.

Opinions?

Sniz

What exactly was your toxic reaction??

 

[ElMatador]

dbol definately...

 

[snizsniffer]

What exactly was your toxic reaction??

Felt like a strange hangover, my body just didn't feel right. Hard to explain the feeling. Had to take a long walk, felt like I could literally die. I ended up taking a valium and feeling better, even made it to the gym.

Probably won't ever do orals again, not worth the risk.

Sniz

 

[mookie]

Felt like a strange hangover, my body just didn't feel right. Hard to explain the feeling. Had to take a long walk, felt like I could literally die. I ended up taking a valium and feeling better, even made it to the gym.

Probably won't ever do orals again, not worth the risk.

Sniz

It wasn't the var.

 

[The Terminator]

Probably won't ever do orals again, not worth the risk.

Sniz

Then WHY did you post this thread asking which ORAL STEROID is better?

Then you said "Well, still got lots of expensive Var, but now a friend has some pinks, and i'm dying to get a taste of the strength"

That seems kind of contradictory to me...

 

[PussyWhipped]

You'll probably get a debate on this, but there've been a few studies that showed _improvement_ in Liver enzyme values with var administration, but at least one of these studies was with a recovering drinker who stopped drinking (which could completely account for the reduction).

That said, var is generally recognized as MUCH less liver toxic than dbol, and while its 17aa, I havent heard or read of anyone having severlely elevated enzymes on even larger doses of var (~60 - 70 ).

use rALA (glucorrell from AF is good) and drink plenty of water, and like others have said if you have a history of liver problems, just stay away from 17aa orals.

 

[snizsniffer]

It wasn't the var.

Yea, maybe just a strange coincidence. What do you think it was man, since you have an opinion?

 

[snizsniffer]

Then WHY did you post this thread asking which ORAL STEROID is better?

Then you said "Well, still got lots of expensive Var, but now a friend has some pinks, and i'm dying to get a taste of the strength"

That seems kind of contradictory to me...

Actually I asked which oral was more toxic.

Var pales in comparison to Dbol (from what I've read/heard) as far as potency and gains, so I thought if Dbol was less liver toxic I'd give the liver a break for awhile and try a few.

As far as deciding against orals, saw what they are doing to a few friends. That combined with some decent advice here, helped me decide.

Thanks for your useful input.

Sniz

 

[mookie]

Yea, maybe just a strange coincidence. What do you think it was man, since you have an opinion?

I no it wasn't the 10mg of var you were taking sounds like it is in your head you said after you took a walk you took a valium than went to the gym sounds a little mental to me.