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Bruce

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thought this was interesting, yes you cannot believe everything you read but there has been a lot of talk about var at high doses, and fat loss questions

Anavar (Oxandrolone) Side Effects
First of all, and this will come as no surprise to many people, Anavar (oxandrolone) is quite mild on your liver. It´s probably the mildest oral steroid available today. Dosages of up to 80mgs/day are easily tolerated by most men, and most side effects often found with other steroids are not common with ´var (1). For this reason, Anavar is frequently the steroid of choice for many top level female bodybuilders and other athletes.

Anavar Dosage
Due to its being a mild steroid in every sense of the word, high amounts of Anavar dosage are needed. It binds reasonably well to the AR, but pretty high doses are still needed and I would never suggest doing less than 20mgs/day. In fact, 20-80mgs are needed to start halting AIDS related wasting(1) and recovering weight for burn victims (2) so that´s the range I´d recommend keeping your dosages in concerning this compound. Personally, I´d use 100mgs/day if I were ever going to try this stuff. Any less than this amount (20-100mgs) would be a waste. For women, however, I think 2.5-10mgs/day would suffice. Virilation is not a concern with this compound, as it is only very mildly androgenic (3). Water retention is also virtually nil with it.

Although Anavar is an oral steroid, and has been alpha-alkylated to survive oral ingestion and the first pass through the liver, it´s still relatively mild in that respect too..., the unique chemical configuration of oxandrolone both confers a resistance to liver metabolism as well as noticable anabolic activity. It would also appear that Anavar appears not to exhibit the serious hepatotoxic effects (jaundice, cholestatic hepatitis, peliosis hepatis, hyperplasias and neoplasms) typically attributed to the C17alpha-alkylated AASs. (17) Anavar has even been used successfully in some studies to heal cutaneous wounds (7), or to improve respiratory function (18). Both of these novel properties could make it a good choice for in-season use for boxers, Mixed Martial Arts competitors, and other such athletes.

Anavar and Fat Loss
Now here´s some interesting stuff for anyone interested primarily in the fat loss properties of this stuff: Anavar may be what we´d call a "fat-burning steroid". Abdominal and visceral fat were both reduced in one study when subjects in the low/normal natural testosterone range used anavar (4). In another study, appendicular, total, and trunk fat were all reduced with a relatively small dose of 20mgs/day (8), and no exercise. In addition, weight gained with ´var may be nearly permanent too. It might not be much, but you´ll stand a good chance of keeping most of it. In one study, subjects maintained their weight (re)gains from anavar for at least 6 months after cessation (2)! Concomitantly, in another study, Twelve weeks after discontinuing oxandrolone, 83% of the reductions in total, trunk, and extremity fat were also sustained (8)! If you´re regaining weight, Anavar will give you nearly permanent gains, and if you are trying to lose fat (and you keep your diet in check), the fat lost with Anavar is basically looks to be nearly permanent. Check this chart out:

Absolute change in total fat mass (A) and trunk fat (B) by dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry from baseline to study week 12 (solid bars) and from baseline to study week 24 (open bars) in the placebo (n = 12) and the oxandrolone (n = 20) study groups. Values are means ± SE. *Significant decrease from baseline, P < 0.001. Significant difference between study groups for change in fat mass from 0 to 12 wk, P < 0.001. (15)(8)
 
some info on eq

Equipoise
Equipoise was actually created while attempting to make a product which would be be a long acting injectable d-bol (Methandrostenolone). What was actually created was a product which, in the real world acts nothing like D-bol, despite it´s similarity to it chemically. A simple way to think of Equipoise, chemically at least, is simply as Dianabol without the 17-alpha-methyl group (that´s the thing which makes D-bol able to be ingested orally and not be destroyed by your liver). However, having had first hand experience with both Equipoise as well as D-bol, I can tell you that the results from each are vastly different.

To make Equipoise, a double bond was added between carbon atoms 1 and 2 of the Steran Nucleus of Testosterone. What does this mean? Well, first of all, since Equipoise was created by one simple modification in the testosterone molecule, you could rightly suspect that it shares many similarities with it. Equipoise is just as anabolic as testosterone (as you can tell by its anabolic rating above), but only half as androgenic. Those ratings can be quite deceiving though, as I don´t know anyone who would claim that you can gain as much weight on Equipoise as you can gain on an equal amount of testosterone (even though strength gains from the two compounds are very similar).

It´s not very common to compare Equipoise to testosterone; however& a far more common comparison is between Equipoise and Deca. I suspect this is because when Dan Duchaine introduced this compound to the steroid using community, he made an immediate comparison to Deca, speculating that it would act similarly to Deca but like a much stronger version of it. Equipoise doesn´t actually act much like deca at all; Deca is actually a progestin and a 19-nor derived steroid whereas Equipoise is more closely related to testosterone (being only one double bond differ rent). Duchaine later rescinded his original statement on Equipoise and said that it was disappointing as a mass builder when compared with deca, but a far better drug than for both strength gains and vascularity. Unfortunately, the myth that Equipoise´s action is similar to Deca´s has persisted for nearly 2 decades after he revised his opinion; this is most evident on internet message boards today, where many will advise against including both of them in a cycle because "they act the same way."

The 1-2 double bond that Equipoise has is responsible for many of its characteristics. First of all, it acts to slow aromatization (conversion into estrogen). The best estimate is that it does so at roughly half the rate of testosterone (1). This is the best number I´ve found in studies. Athletes almost never report estrogenic side effects with Equipoise, even when the dose is up to a gram per week. Side effects caused by estrogen include oily skin, acne, and gynocomastia, and as I said, those are usually not found from Equipoise. Virilization (development of male sexual characteristics in women) is almost never seen with this compound, when reasonable doses are used by female athletes. This is one of the few injectable compounds which could be successfully be used by female athletes and bodybuilders, and isn´t often faked.

Clinical Equipoise and Athletes
That double bond is also responsible for Equipoise´s resistance for being changed by the 5- 5-Alpha-reductase enzyme (2)(3). This enzyme converts a small amount of Boldenone into Dihydroboldenone, which is a very potent androgen (7x as anabolic as testosterone)(4). As I said though, such a small amount of it is converted that it´s really of no concern to most athletes taking Equipoise. This factor, plus its low aromatization rate mean athletes don´t need to consider using ancillaries with Equipoise.

Athletes taking Equipoise often report a slow and constant buildup of quality muscle, and certainly this has been my experience with the drug. I would speculate that this slow buildup of muscle is due to the very long ester attached to the Boldenone; Undeclynate is a longer ester than the decanoate ester by one carbon. Thus, we could expect the accumulation of muscle from Equipoise to actually occur at a slightly slower rate than that found with Deca (nandrolone decanoate). This leads me to advise that if you are considering the use of Equipoise, you should consider using it for no less than 12 weeks. Equipoise, like deca, is also detectable in your system for a long time (although it is substantially less than deca´s detection time).

Strangely, shorter estered versions of Boldenone are available as well. Anecdotally, many people (and manufacturers) claim that this produces less water retention...but water retention from Equipoise is virtually unheard of, so I consider this to be a silly idea.

An informal poll I took on Steroid.com (as well as with my friends) seems to put the ideal dose of Equipoise at 600mgs/week. Most people I asked about their Equipoise experience with Equipoise seemed to think that using over 600mgs/week produced no additional results, but the jump from 400mgs/week to 600mgs/week produced noticeable additional gains, and thus was warranted. I have personally found very nice results from 400mgs-600mgs/week myself
 
i have to say it does worry me and i'll find out soon how drastic it is. i am going to buy some sesapure as it will help a lot i think. the only way to know is to see what happens, there is not a lot out of threads with people doing it that did bloodwork as well.
 
410,
Those are some banging info articles, As i have been doing research on both vitamins for my lab rat... :garza:
 
well i think that eq is the most underated steroid, everyone says its so mild, its highly effective and var at 100mg ed is just insane in the gym
 
I have been doing sesapure since mid April and var for a couple of weeks.
2 days till my major physical exam and blood work. (damn I know he's going to check the prostate too)
 
Bruce,
Great read on the Var and Equipose post. You should be a spokesman for Var
LOL! I am on week 3 of 12, (400mg test cyp. & 2iu ed of gh). Planned to take it easy but Var was always in the back of my mind. Now I'm contemplating in adding it to my 12weeker.
How do you cap it and have accurate mgs? It seems that the cap um quick (sp)? machine is not a very precise way of doing it.
Also what is the longest one should be on this oral?

Thanks again,
minusule K to ya
 
Very nice read brotha...on EQ right now myself...never tried the var myself its good to read on...but i know in the near future I will give that drug a run...
 
gunrunner said:
Bruce,
Great read on the Var and Equipose post. You should be a spokesman for Var
LOL! I am on week 3 of 12, (400mg test cyp. & 2iu ed of gh). Planned to take it easy but Var was always in the back of my mind. Now I'm contemplating in adding it to my 12weeker.
How do you cap it and have accurate mgs? It seems that the cap um quick (sp)? machine is not a very precise way of doing it.
Also what is the longest one should be on this oral?

Thanks again,
minusule K to ya
well i don't do the capping i leave that to my oral wizard. they are dosed perfectly. 6-8 weeks is the longest i would stay on. i know it won't damage the liver but cholesterol seems to be an issue at higher doses. i think cholesterol has a lot to do with genetics but i'll find out soon.
 
swordfish151 said:
Very nice read brotha...on EQ right now myself...never tried the var myself its good to read on...but i know in the near future I will give that drug a run...
hell ya. you on tren too sword? i am very interested to see what the cholesterol tests come back lookin like and how fast my body gets back to normal. if it is not bad var will be the staple of my cycles. i am going to run a gram of primo and 100mg of var next if my bloodwork looks alright. i do love eq though. i get hunger pangs all day and it is making the most anabolic thing, food, take over. i'v put on 8 lbs since my avi and its shredded, i am no higher in bf maybe a bit lower. the strength gains are just so incredible from anavar and the fact that it is side free at such a high dose is awesome. no headaches nothing at all. libido is fine with just proviron.
 
As far as the cholesterol thing, I found a cool at-home test kit at Vitamin Shoppe. It's $20 but was on sale for $3!! Even at $20 though its prob a good idea for those of you who are concerned

You prick your finger with this little needle deal and let the blood drip into a tester thing and like 15 mins later you get the results. I'm on a bulker right now test with tbol at 60mg/ed and my level was really low...like so low it barely showed up on the reader. Sweeeet
 
Just have to play devil's advocate here for a second...where did this info come from? It sounds like it's from a source's site describing different types of compounds. 100mg ed is more money for this person...especially if its someone that doesnt know too much about this stuff.
 
bro it is a new addition to a steroid proflile on steroid.com, most of their profiles are now only written by people who have used the compound. i am not pushing anything here
 
talking about lipids and whatnot, I just got my LDL/HDL checked and my total was 132. ldl was 75 hdl was 57 ratio of 2.3 this is just about as good as you cholesterol can ever get. This was the first time i ever fasted for a test. This is after five cycles over the last 2.5 years, first had dbol, second was var @ 65-80mg, last three had tbol.
 
bigcountry61 said:
anyone have exp wit t-bol/var combo ?

if so what was dose and length?

how did u like?

That "The Master" or Ross guy raves about pairing tbol and anavar. Not sure about his credibility though...he seems to have a lot of "fans" on this board.
 
great info on the eq/var.............it sounds like you and I love the same gear. i'm very interested in knowing what your levels are after running 100mg/day............keep us posted!


bruce410 said:
hell ya. you on tren too sword? i am very interested to see what the cholesterol tests come back lookin like and how fast my body gets back to normal. if it is not bad var will be the staple of my cycles. i am going to run a gram of primo and 100mg of var next if my bloodwork looks alright. i do love eq though. i get hunger pangs all day and it is making the most anabolic thing, food, take over. i'v put on 8 lbs since my avi and its shredded, i am no higher in bf maybe a bit lower. the strength gains are just so incredible from anavar and the fact that it is side free at such a high dose is awesome. no headaches nothing at all. libido is fine with just proviron.
 
I had lipds (and other blood levels done) pre, during and post cycle. My cycle was a farily light one consisting of 300mg primo PW, 20mg var and 200mg test cyp every other week) Pre cycle lipid profile was TC 211, HDL 82 LDL 109, triglicerides were low normal. After only 3 weeks on my cycle my TC dropped to 156 BUT (and here is where var is very bad) my HDL got knocked down to 26! I knew this was likely so I was taking the following to help keep HDL elevated: sesapure, niacin, green tea, nolva, omega 3 fish oil, and eating a very clean diet that included every day for breakfast 50g of whey mixed in a bender with 2 tbs of all natty p butter, 1/2 cup of yogart, 3/4 cup of raw oatmeal and 1 banana. I took a lot of precations and still HDL took a big hit. I am very lucky I have naturally high HDL levels. I now run var only for 5 weeks at the very max.
It took 5 weeks to retrun to norma lafter ceasation of my cylce (maybe less but that is when i got tested) I continued with the supps to speed recovery.
 
thank you great post
bilter said:
I had lipds (and other blood levels done) pre, during and post cycle. My cycle was a farily light one consisting of 300mg primo PW, 20mg var and 200mg test cyp every other week) Pre cycle lipid profile was TC 211, HDL 82 LDL 109, triglicerides were low normal. After only 3 weeks on my cycle my TC dropped to 156 BUT (and here is where var is very bad) my HDL got knocked down to 26! I knew this was likely so I was taking the following to help keep HDL elevated: sesapure, niacin, green tea, nolva, omega 3 fish oil, and eating a very clean diet that included every day for breakfast 50g of whey mixed in a bender with 2 tbs of all natty p butter, 1/2 cup of yogart, 3/4 cup of raw oatmeal and 1 banana. I took a lot of precations and still HDL took a big hit. I am very lucky I have naturally high HDL levels. I now run var only for 5 weeks at the very max.
It took 5 weeks to retrun to norma lafter ceasation of my cylce (maybe less but that is when i got tested) I continued with the supps to speed recovery.
 
Sweet post. I am going to add var to my next cycle, which is going to be a couple months before spring break in 2007
 
stupid question:
if your cholesterol is too fucked for too long what do you risk.
heart attack?
stroke?

I'm going in tomorrow morning and I'm a bit freaked out because right after my check-up I have to go to a funeral for a buddy who had a heart attack on the golf course!!!!
 
heavy_duty said:
stupid question:
if your cholesterol is too fucked for too long what do you risk.
heart attack?
stroke?

I'm going in tomorrow morning and I'm a bit freaked out because right after my check-up I have to go to a funeral for a buddy who had a heart attack on the golf course!!!!


I believe it is stroke bro. it might be sroke and heart attack tho. it deals with cardiovascular problems so probably both. Interested to hear your results HD----
 
Great post bro I am on my 8th week of EQ and I love it. I also started Var this week and can't wait to see the results.
 
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