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split endz

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I will be running 25 mg/ed for 45 days. Talked with my doc today about it, he said that I should not need clomid or an estrogen blocker. However, if symptoms develop (itchy nipples, low sex drive) , my mind will be changed. Here's the gist of the discussion: Anavar does not aromatize, therefore should not shut me down. Nolva or arimidex could possibly hinder gains. I want to be intelligent about this, but if pct isn't needed... why do it.?
 
It is needed. Even very small doses of Anavar are suppressive. There is a study on this posted here. Try doing a search you'll find it.
 
You should do PCT even with var. I did notice testicle atrophy when taking anavar for long periods....

The only studies showing Var non-suppressive are using super low doses for purposes other than muscle growth.
 
Hi:

I just finished a 7 week var cycle. My pct consisted only of tongkat ali and zma, and my sex drive is through the roof and my boys are plump and full.
 
I always do light PCT following Var - it does shut you down, infact I don't run Var without at least a low dose of test anymore for that very reason.......Trib / tongkat do also seem to help during cycle- but more for keeping your boys plump than anything else..
 
I ran almost the exact same cycle, 20mg/day for 7 weeks and I didn't do
any PCT. Every single research study showed that at this low dose there
was no effect at all on the HPTA. There were also a few guys on another
board that ran before and after blood tests that showed absolutely no
effect on HPTA from Var alone. My personal experience was that it didn't
shut me down at all. On the other hand, at higher doses, which most
people do, there are reports of some people being shut down. Whether
they are true or not its hard to say, there really isn't any hard credible
data on this, all of it was anecdotal. The additional problem is that it
seems most people run other substances along with the Var so its hard
to say whether the Var shut them down or the other substance or a
combination of the 2.

A good question that I've yet to see answered is if doing an unnecessary
PCT is a bad thing. In otherwords, is there a downside of doing some
nolvadex/clomid when you had no ill effects from your cycle? If the answer
is no, then I'd think one should probably do a PCT in just as an insurance
policy.
 
everyone thanks for the input. zensei, I said the exact thing to my doc, that I would do pct just to be sure if there was no downside. He said that clomid does have some side effects in some people, and the nolva/armi can hinder gains from your cycle. (forgot the science behind that statement). zensei, how were your results ?
 
Thanks genarr3 for posting this study, facts always trump hearsay and
opinions. I came across a study through a medical database scan that I did
at the Stanford med. school that actually did refer to the study you posted.
Their problem with it was that it was only done over a 5 day period and with
a small subject set (6 people). As you've probably read in other studies, a
man's testosterone levels fluctuate a great deal depending on the time of
day. The study I read was done over a longer period of time and they
measured testosterone in the subjects before hand over a period of time to
normalize the testosterone fluctuation data. Their conclusion was that there
was no statistically significant suppression occurring (the study dosage was
20mg by the way). Since this study was in a proprietary database I can't
post a link for it, if I get the time I'll print it out next time I'm over at
Stanford and retype it as a posting.

split endz...it would be interesting to know why nolva/armi can hinder gains
from your cycle. If anyone can speak to this that would be great! As for
your question about my results from my Var cycle...I gained 12lbs of
muscle with significant strength gains. I'm now 6 weeks post cycle and
I've lost 1lb and had a slight decrease in strength. As I previously mentioned,
I didn't get shut down or have any detectable side effects. However,
I had been considering doing a higher dosage next time and did have it
in the back of my mind to do some post-cycle nolva just as an insurance
policy since none of the studies I came across used more than 20mg/day.

I think Anavar is a great substance, my only beef with it is the high price. I
was considering perhaps doing a cycle of oral turinabol (much cheaper) as
an alternative but I really haven't found enough data on it. Perhaps someone
could comment on a oral turinabol only cycle??? (Side note: I realize that it
seems anyone mentioning an oral only cycle is routinely critisized for not
using injectables, but I am not a bodybuilder and have no desire to get big,
I'm mainly interested in strength and athletic perfomance.)
 
i would run pct regardless
 
I'm on an anavar only cycle now, it supresses after a few days, only not as dramatically as other steroids like testosterone or sustanon but theres definently been some shut down, most noticably the ejaculated semen becomes less and more clear.
 
zensei, here's an answer to your question above. (from the pct board: post recovery cycle thread) " One should be aware that use of these compounds (clomid or nolva) can reduce gains made on steroids. Nolvadex more so than clomid, simply because it is stronger. Estrogen is responsible for a number of anabolic factors such as increasing growth hormone output, upgrading the androgen receptor, and improving glucose utilization. This is why aromatizing steroids like testosterone are still best suited for maximum muscle gain. When reducing the estrogen levels, we therefore reduce the potential gains being made."
ps. Sides mentioned from clomid in the same thread were acne & debilitation of eyesight.
 
poantrex said:
You should do PCT even with var. I did notice testicle atrophy when taking anavar for long periods....

The only studies showing Var non-suppressive are using super low doses for purposes other than muscle growth.
Click to expand...

So did I at the end of a cycle - after pct it was okay. But Var at 20+ ED will probably have some negative side effects regarding your sex drive, testicle atrophy, shutting you down ,etc.....
 
this shit drives me nuts

it IS supressive. if you dont want to believe people who are posting studies just take it and get some fucking bloodwork. dont cry when your test levels are a 1/3 of your baseline. :D

i took var, did some half assed clomid pct and my levels were less than 1/2 my baseline months after i was done. with ac's as cheap an available as they are i cant see why someone would even want to take a chance without pct.

your pct is just as important as your cycle.
 
Okay, I always lean toward the cautious side, and I have too many chicks to keep up with to be suppressed. For a cycle of 25mg/ed for 45 days, would I need to do full pct including hcg throughout the cycle, or could I do a "light pct". Exactly what and how much would you recommend ? I don't need comments like " do your research", I have been researching this for a long time now, and as you can see, views on this are all over the place. Hell, I may as well throw some test in the mix if I am going through pct. Any specific advice is appreciated.
 
If anavar does not aromatize.. why would nolva hinder gains? Does that make sense?
I also find it interesting when dr's start talking about AAS. I would find out there medical background with them to make sure they know there stuff. I have heard on this board and from pro's that as little at 5mgs will shut you down. That is why they don't bridge with it ever.
 
DO 25 MG/DAY but extend the cycle to 7-8 weeks
DO STANDARD NOLVA , ADD ZMA , ADD TRIBULUS, ADD TONGKAT, ADD VIT C.
U`LL BE JUST FINE.
oh yeah , and do throw in some test , light maybe test enanth at 250 mg/wk for 4 weeks.
If you feel testicular athorphy as reduced size... you can throw in some HCG, do swale's protocol, it won't hurt.
=) that`s the cylce Im on right now.
 
Hi noob here doing research.. Why don't people use the post cycle compounds during the cycle?

I mean why let your testes shut down at all if you can avoid it?
 
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