IT's been exactly 1 week since I started using Dermatherm. Those who read my first thread know that I was also using clen and thermorexin. Well, I was asked by PP to drop the thermorexin and use a eca stack with the clen instead. So, I changed over to an eca stack for my 2 on 2 off cycle with clen. Already I can tell a difference in the way my skin feels, it feels tighter than normal and I look more vascular than 1 week ago. The vascular part may be from the eq I'm running, its hard to tell. After each application, I get the same effect, my skin burns a little for about an hour, and my body temperature seems to rise a little also. There's the after smell of cinnamun also, that lasts for hours after the application. IF i had bought the product, I would be happy with the results so far. The best is yet to come from what I have read. It is really suppossed to start working between the 7th and 10th days. I"ll keep everyone updated in the next couple of days. Later on.....