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US warning for North Korea
By Guy Dinmore
Published: May 15 2003 5:00 | Last Updated: May 15 2003 5:00
Condoleezza Rice, US national security adviser, yesterday warned North Korea that its behaviour would not be "tolerated" and set out what appeared to be conditions for continuing talks on the communist state's nuclear programme.
Her tough remarks came just hours before Roh Moo-hyun, the South Korean president, was due to meet US president George W. Bush in the White House. Mr Roh indicated earlier he would ask Mr Bush to keep North Korea engaged at the negotiating table and not raise tensions further with the threat of sanctions or pre-emptive military action.
Ms Rice described as "useful" the first round of talks held last month in Beijing between the US, China and North Korea, but she did not commit to further meetings. Guy Dinmore, Washington
By Guy Dinmore
Published: May 15 2003 5:00 | Last Updated: May 15 2003 5:00
Condoleezza Rice, US national security adviser, yesterday warned North Korea that its behaviour would not be "tolerated" and set out what appeared to be conditions for continuing talks on the communist state's nuclear programme.
Her tough remarks came just hours before Roh Moo-hyun, the South Korean president, was due to meet US president George W. Bush in the White House. Mr Roh indicated earlier he would ask Mr Bush to keep North Korea engaged at the negotiating table and not raise tensions further with the threat of sanctions or pre-emptive military action.
Ms Rice described as "useful" the first round of talks held last month in Beijing between the US, China and North Korea, but she did not commit to further meetings. Guy Dinmore, Washington
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rsnoble said:
I think America should wait until atleast N. Korea sends a nuke to Berkely, California.
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Fucking North Korea pieces of shit 
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Nobody listens to me, but I will tell you again that the "War" will start only in a matter of time like the Iraq war was a couple of years ago and looked what happened! You all said we wont attack Iraq "We" are just putting pressure on them! I think there was a war in Iraq but I could be wrong was that staged to? The OPLANs are ready and only the "Trigger" needs to be pulled!
U.S. keeps pre-emption doctrine 'open'
By Joseph Curl
May 13, 2003
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice said yesterday that the United States will keep "all options open" in the nuclear standoff with the communist North, effectively denying the request made by Mr. Roh in an interview with The Washington Times published yesterday.
Miss Rice said that the world "needs better tools to deal with a state like North Korea that appears to be determined to violate its international agreements, and I think we're going to work more aggressively with other states to see what other tools we can build."
But President Bush remains open to multinational talks with the communist regime and is committed to diplomacy to stem the nuclear standoff, a White House spokesman said.
"As we've said, we, of course, seek a peaceful diplomatic resolution to the issues involving North Korea," National Security Council spokesman Sean McCormack said yesterday. "While not taking any options off the table, we're working very hard toward that goal — a multilateral solution."
Mr. Roh, elected in December, arrived here on Sunday for a weeklong tour that includes a White House meeting tomorrow with the president.
The standoff prompted Mr. Roh to offer his bluntest criticism of North Korea.
"North Korea has two alternatives: It can go down a blind alley or it can open up," he said in a speech yesterday to the Korea Society in New York. "Pyongyang's nuclear program poses a serious threat to the peace and stability of Northeast Asia as well as the Korean Peninsula."
Mr. Roh also held out the prospect of assistance were his neighbor to become "responsible" and renounce its nuclear ambitions.
"Pyongyang must give up its nuclear project and come forward as a responsible member of the international community. When the North takes this route, the Republic of Korea and the international community will extend the necessary support and cooperation," he said.
In his New York visit yesterday, Mr. Roh also rang the opening bell at the New York Stock Exchange and praised the courage of Americans as he laid a wreath at ground zero, the site of the World Trade Center towers destroyed in the September 11 attacks.
For its part yesterday, the North Koreans heightened tension in the region by nullifying a 1992 deal with South Korea to keep the peninsula free of nuclear weapons, the last remaining international obligation for Pyongyang not to build nuclear weapons.
North Korea's government-run news agency blamed the decision on "a sinister and hostile U.S. policy against North Korea."
The new South Korean leader told The Times on Friday that he planned to urge Mr. Bush to join him in a promise to resolve tensions with North Korea by peaceful means, exempting Pyongyang from the military doctrine of pre-emption, which was cited to justify the attack to oust Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.
"I would like to discuss with President Bush that the circumstances on the Korean Peninsula may not be appropriate for applying this principle from the very beginning," Mr. Roh said. "The mere thought of a military conflict with North Korea is a calamity for us."
While meetings with foreign leaders often end with a joint statement framing their discussions and setting out mutual goals, the White House would not say yesterday whether the two leaders will issue such a statement after their meeting at 6 p.m. tomorrow.
One senior administration official said, however, that Mr. Bush and Mr. Roh are likely to release a joint statement calling for a nuclear-free Korean Peninsula while urging a peaceful diplomatic resolution to the standoff with North Korea.
A State Department spokeswoman said the 90-minute private meeting tomorrow will give the two presidents an opportunity to discuss the nuclear standoff and the "bilateral security relationship." Among the issues will be the presence of 37,000 U.S. troops in South Korea, which have proved an irritant in recent years.
The spokeswoman said the meeting also would be an opportunity for the leaders "to get to know each other personally." This is first U.S. trip for Mr. Roh, a former human rights lawyer.
Since his election, Mr. Roh has been busy repairing damage to bilateral ties from anti-U.S. sentiment in South Korea, which has prompted hundreds of thousands to march to protest the stationing of U.S. troops along the demilitarized zone 30 miles north of Seoul.
After Mr. Rumsfeld said in February that the United States may relocate some of its forces, Mr. Roh and other South Korean officials sought to make clear that they supported the presence of U.S. troops.
Shortly before Mr. Roh's election, Pyongyang began adopting a more bellicose stance toward Washington and Seoul. It announced that it had restarted its nuclear-weapons program and has since contended that it had reprocessed 8,000 spent nuclear fuel rods, which could yield several atomic bombs within months.
In January, North Korea withdrew from the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, and during trilateral talks in Beijing last month, Pyongyang said it had nuclear weapons and offered to drop its programs in exchange for a U.S. "nonaggression treaty" that also provided economic aid.
While the United States has not rejected the offer, Miss Rice said yesterday: "We see no reason to respond point by point to what the North Koreans have said."
"The North Koreans know what they need to do, and what they need to do is stop blackmailing the world into dealing with them," she said in an interview with Reuters news agency.
Private Korea watchers said yesterday that while U.S. officials have repeatedly said there is "no intention" of using force against Pyongyang, it is highly unlikely that Mr. Bush will categorically renounce military force in dealing with North Korea.
"Clearly, the American administration is not going to take the military option completely off the table because that would be just an invitation to the North to raise its negotiating demands," said Victor D. Cha, an associate government professor at Georgetown University and director of its American Alliances in Asia Project.
"You can't negotiate with North Korea that way," Mr. Cha said.
Analysts said they still expected the meeting tomorrow to go more smoothly than the chilly first meeting between Mr. Bush and President Kim Dae-jung, Mr. Roh's predecessor, in March 2001. After that meeting, Mr. Bush expressed deep skepticism about the South Korean's policy of opening up to the North.
"There may not be complete agreement in these talks, but I think both sides are very well aware of each other's sensitivities," said Larry M. Wortzel, director of the Heritage Foundation's Davis Institute for International Policy Studies.
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030513-565813.htm
U.S. keeps pre-emption doctrine 'open'
By Joseph Curl
May 13, 2003
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice said yesterday that the United States will keep "all options open" in the nuclear standoff with the communist North, effectively denying the request made by Mr. Roh in an interview with The Washington Times published yesterday.
Miss Rice said that the world "needs better tools to deal with a state like North Korea that appears to be determined to violate its international agreements, and I think we're going to work more aggressively with other states to see what other tools we can build."
But President Bush remains open to multinational talks with the communist regime and is committed to diplomacy to stem the nuclear standoff, a White House spokesman said.
"As we've said, we, of course, seek a peaceful diplomatic resolution to the issues involving North Korea," National Security Council spokesman Sean McCormack said yesterday. "While not taking any options off the table, we're working very hard toward that goal — a multilateral solution."
Mr. Roh, elected in December, arrived here on Sunday for a weeklong tour that includes a White House meeting tomorrow with the president.
The standoff prompted Mr. Roh to offer his bluntest criticism of North Korea.
"North Korea has two alternatives: It can go down a blind alley or it can open up," he said in a speech yesterday to the Korea Society in New York. "Pyongyang's nuclear program poses a serious threat to the peace and stability of Northeast Asia as well as the Korean Peninsula."
Mr. Roh also held out the prospect of assistance were his neighbor to become "responsible" and renounce its nuclear ambitions.
"Pyongyang must give up its nuclear project and come forward as a responsible member of the international community. When the North takes this route, the Republic of Korea and the international community will extend the necessary support and cooperation," he said.
In his New York visit yesterday, Mr. Roh also rang the opening bell at the New York Stock Exchange and praised the courage of Americans as he laid a wreath at ground zero, the site of the World Trade Center towers destroyed in the September 11 attacks.
For its part yesterday, the North Koreans heightened tension in the region by nullifying a 1992 deal with South Korea to keep the peninsula free of nuclear weapons, the last remaining international obligation for Pyongyang not to build nuclear weapons.
North Korea's government-run news agency blamed the decision on "a sinister and hostile U.S. policy against North Korea."
The new South Korean leader told The Times on Friday that he planned to urge Mr. Bush to join him in a promise to resolve tensions with North Korea by peaceful means, exempting Pyongyang from the military doctrine of pre-emption, which was cited to justify the attack to oust Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.
"I would like to discuss with President Bush that the circumstances on the Korean Peninsula may not be appropriate for applying this principle from the very beginning," Mr. Roh said. "The mere thought of a military conflict with North Korea is a calamity for us."
While meetings with foreign leaders often end with a joint statement framing their discussions and setting out mutual goals, the White House would not say yesterday whether the two leaders will issue such a statement after their meeting at 6 p.m. tomorrow.
One senior administration official said, however, that Mr. Bush and Mr. Roh are likely to release a joint statement calling for a nuclear-free Korean Peninsula while urging a peaceful diplomatic resolution to the standoff with North Korea.
A State Department spokeswoman said the 90-minute private meeting tomorrow will give the two presidents an opportunity to discuss the nuclear standoff and the "bilateral security relationship." Among the issues will be the presence of 37,000 U.S. troops in South Korea, which have proved an irritant in recent years.
The spokeswoman said the meeting also would be an opportunity for the leaders "to get to know each other personally." This is first U.S. trip for Mr. Roh, a former human rights lawyer.
Since his election, Mr. Roh has been busy repairing damage to bilateral ties from anti-U.S. sentiment in South Korea, which has prompted hundreds of thousands to march to protest the stationing of U.S. troops along the demilitarized zone 30 miles north of Seoul.
After Mr. Rumsfeld said in February that the United States may relocate some of its forces, Mr. Roh and other South Korean officials sought to make clear that they supported the presence of U.S. troops.
Shortly before Mr. Roh's election, Pyongyang began adopting a more bellicose stance toward Washington and Seoul. It announced that it had restarted its nuclear-weapons program and has since contended that it had reprocessed 8,000 spent nuclear fuel rods, which could yield several atomic bombs within months.
In January, North Korea withdrew from the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, and during trilateral talks in Beijing last month, Pyongyang said it had nuclear weapons and offered to drop its programs in exchange for a U.S. "nonaggression treaty" that also provided economic aid.
While the United States has not rejected the offer, Miss Rice said yesterday: "We see no reason to respond point by point to what the North Koreans have said."
"The North Koreans know what they need to do, and what they need to do is stop blackmailing the world into dealing with them," she said in an interview with Reuters news agency.
Private Korea watchers said yesterday that while U.S. officials have repeatedly said there is "no intention" of using force against Pyongyang, it is highly unlikely that Mr. Bush will categorically renounce military force in dealing with North Korea.
"Clearly, the American administration is not going to take the military option completely off the table because that would be just an invitation to the North to raise its negotiating demands," said Victor D. Cha, an associate government professor at Georgetown University and director of its American Alliances in Asia Project.
"You can't negotiate with North Korea that way," Mr. Cha said.
Analysts said they still expected the meeting tomorrow to go more smoothly than the chilly first meeting between Mr. Bush and President Kim Dae-jung, Mr. Roh's predecessor, in March 2001. After that meeting, Mr. Bush expressed deep skepticism about the South Korean's policy of opening up to the North.
"There may not be complete agreement in these talks, but I think both sides are very well aware of each other's sensitivities," said Larry M. Wortzel, director of the Heritage Foundation's Davis Institute for International Policy Studies.
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030513-565813.htm
40butpumpin
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Man I try to imagine what the first few days of that war will be like. I can only think of hell unleashed on earth, and I mean that sincerely. I believe it will yield more blood-shed and death in the shortest time than this earth has ever seen.
What does it take for man to resort to such death and destruction? I cannot grasp it no matter how hard I try.
What does it take for man to resort to such death and destruction? I cannot grasp it no matter how hard I try.
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I think the solution is that we just need to find oil in N. Korea
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luciasbrown said:
There is and tons of it!
"North Korea has significant, but quite unmeasured reserves of offshore oil. Many countries have lined up to help them extract it but little oil drilling has yet to be done. The official DOE summary of North Korean oil is probably out of date. The kimsoft.com estimate talks about 10 billion tons. A ton contains 7.33 barrels of oil so 7.33 * 10 billion = 73 billion barrels. For a country about the size of Pennsylvania, this counts as a lot. The KEDO (Korean Peninsula Energy Development Organization) is the official Korean government energy corporation. By reading their 2001 energy development summary one can make out all the myriad countries that contribute to KEDO. North Korea lacks necessary production facilities to drill and test for its oil. It is reaching out to many firms and countries to help them while the government attempts to develop some oil fields with as much capital as it can muster. A Singapore firm recently announced (August 29, 2002) significant oil and gas reserves in North Korea. Additionally, Halliburton has partnered with KNOC [Korean National Oil Company] to develop offshore drilling platforms in South Korea. ChevronTexaco touts that its 50% owned LG-Caltex facility in Yosu, Korea is a “ 650,000-barrel refinery complex [that] is among the world's largest.” Significant links for upstream and downstream energy have been planned for North and South Korea. South Korea possesses one of the world’s most well developed oil refining infrastructures and deep water ports. North Korea may possess very large oil and gas fields and pipeline access to Russian and Chinese oil and Natural Gas. Re-unification or partnership would create an economic goldmine for both countries and their international partners. A feasibility study for a pipeline and infrastructure to export Russian NG to South Korea is in process."
North Korea Oil!
Halliburton!
DPRK!
N. Korea Oil Projects!
They just need someone to come in with the technology to extract it!
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No shit!! I didnt know that. Lets get 'em boys. Whose with me.
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luciasbrown said:
Dont worry it's only a matter of "Time!" Well actually maybe you should worry! Either way grab the pop corn cause the "Show" is about to begin!
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YEAH!! LET'S NUKE NK FOR THEIR OIL! KILL EVERYONE!!! hahhahahhahhhahahha
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HULKSTER said:
Calm down Satan's illegitimate Love Spawn!
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BrothaBill
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My minions are growing, soon thee will be no stopping us. MUHAHAHAHHAHAHa
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40butpumpin said:
Money.....lots of it. It is competing political ideology, capitalism is winning because capitalism is all about money. Especially in the past few years. Greed will destroy this country as it has previous imperial powers.
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This is all a major league sales pitch for the Star Wars anti-missile shield. We didn't have any problems with N Korea until Bush et al looked at the dollars to be made and oil to be tapped into.
Bush must be stopped!
Bush must be stopped!
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