US prison population hits 2 million.

[Fonz]

If you really want to know why that number is so high take a look at the breakdown wrt race. Then take a look at the breakdown of judges, officials and politicians wrt race. Fonz no disrespect intended but education is not even in my top ten for respecting a person. It has to be more than that, bro. The fact of it is that many of the individuals in prison never had a chance outside because they were born into poverty. White collars are very educated people, obviously the most educated of our society, however, they, IMO, are the most corrupt by far.

Its Ok.

Everybody has different view-points.

I just find it funny that people get blasted for being intelligent.
Like it was a crime to actually show your intelligence. i.e Kayne

I find education important b/c it think its a very important character building block.

Fonz

 

[obscenegesture]

KAYNE is insecure, that is for sure.

He refuses to check his own grammar or spelling before posting because it would allow a more thorough analysis of his writing ability.

He is afraid to fail so he refuses to try.

He also constantly professes his erudition even though it is taking him 6 years to get a degree in finance -- the business equivalent of elementary education.

I am sure he will make a mint as investment banker, though.... yeah, right

 

[The Almighty]

We are on a FITNESS site. My knowledge vastly super-seeds yours in fitness....so I'm therefore BETTER than you in regards to fitness knowledge.

End of story.

Until you put in the necessary time researching and reading over data....you will just be another chat board moron to me.

I still find it funny you cannot let this trivial issue go. Talk about insecurity.

Fonz

Sucker. I am a better person than you when it comes to the topic of psychopaths, criminal law, white collar crime, etc. We need to find a criminal justice board so I can mop the floor with ya.

 

[40butpumpin]

Its Ok.

Everybody has different view-points.

I just find it funny that people get blasted for being intelligent.
Like it was a crime to actually show your intelligence. i.e Kayne

I find education important b/c it think its a very important character building block.

Fonz

Cool bro. But as far as education and character I just don't know. I would say dignity yes, but not character. Not trying to play word games with you man but character to me is something that every man has the ability to choose to live with, and by, whether rich or poor, educated or not. I dunno, that's how I see it anyway, but I'll leave it at that. Anyway, it's a perception really.

 

[Baoh]

"super-seeds"

Hmmm.

 

[Baby Gorilla]

More truth than you'd imagine....

....This is the bottom line:

COPS ARE THE WAY THAT THE STATE DEALS WITH POOR PEOPLE, SINCE THEY ARE THE MOST LIKELY TOENGAGE IN VIOLENT REVOLUTION AND KICK OUT THOSE IN POWER. IT GOES ABOUT LIKE THIS:

KEEP THE RICH WEALTHY.

PLACATE THE MIDDLE CLASS WITH RHETORIC, PROPAGANDA, THE TWO PARTY "BLAME THE OTEHR GUY" SYSTEM, TV, AND DREAMS OF WEALTH THEY CAN NEVER HAVE. (KEEPS THEM SLAVING AWAY UNTIL RETIREMENT AT 65)

JAIL THE POOR.

THE AMERICAN WAY

I know this gets a lot of flack, but there's more truth in this than most would want to acknowledge.

The cops don't go out to target the poor deliberately in some sinister way, but here is how it works....

1. The wealthy have ALL the power worth having.

2. The middle-class is made of rich wanna be's who are too pacified with pursuits of the dream to realize how sick the world really has become....effectively neutralized.

3. The poor are the often exploited. Many have worked hard only to be kept down. Many have turned to drugs (of any form) for escape. Many turn to crime to attain what can't be gained legitimately. Hence, they commit most of the crime and the wealthy (the power brokers) have the police focus on them to keep them in line or incarcerated. The constant police attention keeps the poor controlled.

Now, with that said, here's a basic known fact of crime that somehow doesn't get mentioned often. Much more crime is done by the wealthy (tax evasion, inside trading, embezzlement, etc.) than is done by petty blue-collar criminals. However, something like only 10% of the inmate population are white-collar criminals. White-collar crime is dealt with often very, very leniently while blue-collor crime is dealth with very harshly. Why is that so? It's because the wealthy control the CJ system. They basically don't view their indiscretions as something worthy of imprisonment.

The problem here is that the poor are not organized or "educated" in the right way. Many "activists" out there exist purely to serve the wealthy (Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson). They stir up division rather than show the poor what needs to be done.

If the poor channelled thier anger into a movement and avoided breaking any laws....spending say 10 years to plan and organize in totally legal ways. They could have a massive organized uprising that overthrows the wealthy powerbase. Cops can't be used to stop it because no crime is committed.

What's the current situation? The so-called activists get the poor worked up to the point of violence. Cops crack down with 100% justification as crimes are being committed. No opportunity to organize for the long haul. No ability to plan. Best of all (sic), the wealthy imprison and label those most likely to take action against oppression.

A nefarious scheme if you ask me.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Red herring alert. I'm asking YOU.

I'm not asking you if you were convicted of a crime. I'm asking you if you committed a crime. There are only two possible answers: "yes" or "no." Conviction or acquital does not change that. I understand that for legal reasons, you may not be inclined to answer. I will accept "stop being a little kid who's never been to jail" as a "yes I clearly committed a crime."



uh, Florida's legal limit is 0.08. The fact is that you are presenting a mountain of evidence to suggest that you weren't driving under the influence, but none of which pertain to cold hard facts. The machine "could" have been inaccurate, you "could" have driven home just fine.

You know what the problem is? Someone whose test WASN'T inaccurate and who COULD NOT have driven home COULD get off on the same defense on which you're going to get off, and that's a problem.

Trial by jury is to protect the innocent, not the guilty bubba.

I tried to explain this to you in my plast post but I guess I wasn't clear. Driving with a BAC above .08 is NOT A CRIME in Florida. In some states it is. This is not one of them.

I was charged with "driving under the influence". The Breathalyzer test is one of 5 tests I was given to determine intoxication. Some of them I failed, some I passed. The police report, videotapes and other evidence will be compiled in order for a jury to determine if I was in fact under the influence.

One more time: driving with a .08 BAC is not a CRIME in Florida. Red herring that.

Has an innocent man ever be put to death? If so, who? (not a counterpoint... just asking out of curiousity).

A guy named Roger Coleman was executed in Virginia in 1992. The state of Virginia will not relesae DNA evidence for additional testing. This is likely an example of the "wrong guy" being put to death. There are dozens of inconsistencies and Coleman had a solid alibi (he was at work, his presence was verified by many witnesses).

Police prey on the poor, right? But in order to prey on the poor, the poor must commit crimes, right? So when a poor person commits a crime, the police show up and haul him away, right?

No. Police arrest for suspicion of crime.
Most arrests never lead to trials. You can't discount that. But if you';re poor and you get arrested, you can't make bail and you stay in jail for a while. This only reduces your ability to succeed or as you said "make something of yourself" later on. Even without a conviction, the time is lost, and the mental impact is real.

Snce there is no difference between a poor person and a middle-class or rich person, then rich neighborhoods should be rampant with crime because there are no police there to stop right, right?

Police don't stop crime. If they did, crime would decline acorss the board. But it never drops and stays low. The police presence or absence in any neighborhood IS IRRELEVANT to the amount of crime.

I think we are talking past each other. I never contested that poor people commit more crimes.

The police are a tool of the state, not an entity that reduces crime.



But wait! Middle-class + Rich neighborhoods are NOT rampant with crime. POOR neighborhoods are. But aren't rich people and poor people the same? Aren't poor people just innocent victims who are preyed on by police? Sorry - you'll have to do better than that.

They are in jail because they committed a crime. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me. If people in rich neighborhoods committed so many crimes, they'd either be in jail or in a criminal warzone. Neither is the case.

Face it - the poor commit more crimes than the rich. [/B][/QUOTE]

 

[Fonz]

"super-seeds"

Hmmm.

Yes, i made a spelling mistake.......1 AM.

I don't use spell check.

Fonz

 

[KAYNE]

We are on a FITNESS site. My knowledge vastly super-seeds yours in fitness....so I'm therefore BETTER than you in regards to fitness knowledge.

End of story.

Until you put in the necessary time researching and reading over data....you will just be another chat board moron to me.

I still find it funny you cannot let this trivial issue go. Talk about insecurity.

Fonz

I COULD BE ANYONE FOR ALL YOU KNOW ASSHOLE SO HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW IF YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF FITNESS "VASTLY SUPERSEDES" MINE? YOU HAVE NO IDEA OF WHAT I KNOW AND DONT KNOW. SO DONT MAKE YOURSELF LOOK LIKE AN ASS BY ASSUMING SUCH. YOUR LOGIC IS TOTALLY FUCKED.

BY USING YOUR LOGIC, I'M QUITE SURE I CAN BEAT IN YOUR SKULL IF WE WERE TO MEET IN A DARK ALLEY. DOES THAT MEAN I AM A BETTER PERSON THAN YOU? NO, IT JUST MEANS YOU WOULD GET YOUR SKULL BASHED IN. THATS ALL. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING A BETTER PERSON THAN SOMEONE.

YOU ARE GOING OFF ON YOUR OWN LITTLE TANGENT. NOW YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT BEING BETTER AT SOMETHING THAN ANOTHER PERSON. THIS WHOLE THING IS ABOUT YOU THINKING YOU ARE BETTER THAN EVERYONE....NOT AT ONE THING IN PARTICULAR......JUST IN GENERAL. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT SO DONT MANIPULATE IT LIKE A LITTLE GIRL DOES WHEN FIGHTING WITH HER BOYFRIEND. ESSENTIALLY I'M TALKING ABOUT YOU SITTING ON YOUR HIGH CHAIR LOOKING DOWN ON EVERYONE.

"SUPER-SEED" IS NOT A TYPO. "SUPERCEDE" IS A TYPO CUZ THE WORD IS SPELLED "SUPERSEDE". SUPER-SEED IS A COMPLETE FUCK UP AND TELLS ME THAT YOU HAD NO IDEA ABOUT THAT WORD.

BTW....IF YOU WERE IMPLYING THAT YOUR FITNESS KNOWLEDGE "VASTLY SUPER-SEEDS" MINE (OR SO YOU ASSUME) THAT YOU HAVE MORE KNOWLEDGE THAN ME IN THAT AREA.......THEN YOU HAVE NO IDEA OF WHAT THE WORD ACTUALLY MEANS. WHY DONT YOU LOOK IT UP IN WEBSTER. IT MEANS TO REPLACE OR TAKE THE PLACE OF. THAT IS ALL GRASSHOPPER.





KAYNE

 

[Fonz]

Kayne, you're becoming more and more like Puc every day.

Another bitter, jealous person.

There are people that are simply smarter than you.

I am one of those people.

Sorry to break it to you.

Now run along....back to finance or whatever degree you are doing.

I'm not wasting my time trying to talk to a person who always types in caps and claims to be secure.

LOL

Fonz