US needs to stop supporting Israel

[prophet]

why the hell does the United States support the jews...Everyone in the World is starting to hate the US. we should cut off all money and military support to israel. let those people kill one another what do i care...the only thing i care about is America

 

[MP5]

Because jewish people are THE only class of people on the earth that you are not allowed to raise an eyebrow at without being scolded as a hate monger. You say nigger, spic, or gook and it is accepted in some places and in others you are simply a racist. You say one word about the jews and you are labeled as bad as child molesters.

"white national socialist...proud to be and you can be a..."

 

[big_bad_buff]

why the hell does the United States support the jews...Everyone in the World is starting to hate the US. we should cut off all money and military support to israel. let those people kill one another what do i care...the only thing i care about is America

read the bible. you'll get the answer there. why do you think bush supports them? old george is a religious man.

 

[prophet]

Re: Re: US needs to stop supporting Israel

read the bible. you'll get the answer there. why do you think bush supports them? old george is a religious man.

thats total bullshit! this country is founded on religious freedom. that means we should not favor one group based on what something in scripture says

 

[SCOTTY-TWO-HOTTY]

Yeah, that's a GREAT idea.

If the US was to stop supporting Isreal, its Arab neighbours would promptly ass-rape the rest of the world. Isreal is the ONLY reason the middle east has a sembalance of stability... they keep the region in check.

 

[prophet]

Yeah, that's a GREAT idea.

If the US was to stop supporting Isreal, its Arab neighbours would promptly ass-rape the rest of the world. Isreal is the ONLY reason the middle east has a sembalance of stability... they keep the region in check.

that comment makes no sense.....let them kill the jews at least every arab country wouldn't hate us

 

[BangedUp]

that comment makes no sense.....let them kill the jews at least every arab country wouldn't hate us

or let the jews kill all of them. Doesn't make one difference to me just as long as the US stops sending our fucking money to them.

 

[SSAlexSS]

Re: Re: US needs to stop supporting Israel

read the bible. you'll get the answer there. why do you think bush supports them? old george is a religious man.

Didnt God expel jews? There must have been a reason for that.
And it was a jew who betrayed Jesus!

 

[SSAlexSS]

Yeah, that's a GREAT idea.

If the US was to stop supporting Isreal, its Arab neighbours would promptly ass-rape the rest of the world. Isreal is the ONLY reason the middle east has a sembalance of stability... they keep the region in check.

One of the biggest reasons Arabs hate USA, is USA unconditional support of Israel.

USA supplies Israel with weapons, weapons that Israelis use to kill innocent arabs. When palestinians die, they die using OUR weapons, that WE supplied.


Look USA has done more killing than all Arabs combined.

 

[SolidRock]

Yeah, that's a GREAT idea.

If the US was to stop supporting Isreal, its Arab neighbours would promptly ass-rape the rest of the world. Isreal is the ONLY reason the middle east has a sembalance of stability... they keep the region in check.

WHAT TOTAL BULLSHIT!!!!,,, Look at history, find me ONE act of arab or muslim TERRORISM before the creation of ISRAEL, there was NONE, after the creation of Israel is when Muslim Terrorism started.

The arabs were happy living in their land not migrating to other nations, they didnt meddle with others until the UN meddled with them and gave away a piece of their land to the Jews.

 

[SolidRock]

If the Hatfields and McCoys are fighting one another. And you send guns to the Hatfields. Well guess what? The McCoys are gonna think of YOU as the enemy as well, and start shooting you. C'mon, what did you expect? Cookies?

-= nav =-

Very Good Analogy.

 

[SCOTTY-TWO-HOTTY]

Do you guys know WHY Iraq doesn't possess nuclear weapons... because of Isreal's superior forsight in 1981. Incase ant of you historians don't know what I'm talking about... I'll clue you in: In 1981, an Isreali F-16 bombed an Iraqi nuclear reactor the day the construtcion of it was complete. Their intelligence was so on point, they even waited till the French engineers went home for the day before they decimated the reactor. This was back in a time when Iraq was being supported by the US and western Europe, whose governments quickly condemed Isreal's actions.

 

[prophet]

or let the jews kill all of them. Doesn't make one difference to me just as long as the US stops sending our fucking money to them.

exactly!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[2Thick]

People need to realize there's TWO entities

Al Qaeda which are plain murderers and terrorists

and

Arabs fighting for their own land and rights and freedoms (palestinians).

I think we are all unanimous in hating Al Qaeda. If there was a US group that went over and started killing mulsims and afghans and trying to scare the PLO. Technically we will condone it, but underneath it we would be like "Yeah! kill our enemy!". That's how Arabs think of Al Qaeda. They don't like suicide bombers, but if it's fighting for it's cause, so be it.

I hate Al Qaeda, but I DO understand why Arabs and Mulsims would hate us. That's because we support THEIR enemy. Can you blame them. If i saw a poor palestinian tomorrow who has no future, no job, no skills, can't go out past 10pm, can't migrate or vacation in any country (cuz no one would dare allow a palestinian muslim to enter theri country, think about it), and has all his freedoms taken away by Isreali Soldiers armed with American machine guns --- yes i would apologize to him. For he's an *innocent* person who has done no wrong except be born in that land. And it's unjust for MY government to stick it's head into it and try to OPRESS him for no reason except that he's not a *jew*.

Funny, in America we ALL act as americans. Black, White, etc. But in THAT area -- it's either jews or arabs. And the Isreali government THEMSELVES distinguish betwene the two. That whole area is racist and proud of it. If America acted like Israeli and patrolled predominately black areas with tanks, and stopped every middle eastern guy in a car, and never allowed certain types of people to go past certain boundaries -- how would u feel?

Well, that's EXACTLY how life is like there in the gaza/west bank areas of Israel.

These young muslim youths grow up with nothing to look forward to, can never be CEO's of their hot technology company, can never go to NYC and enroll in university, can never hope to buy a corvette, can never vacation in hawaii -- yet see lucky jewish kids 20 miles north who can do all that. That disgust and hatred and compassion for the cause only grows from that towards the rich jews. And yes, that's where that "rich jews who control everyhting" stereotype came from. It's how muslim in Israel talk about the native jews.

Don't believe me? I DARE you to move to the West Bank, Change your name to a muslim name, and start speaking arabic instead of jewish. Now TRY and lead the same type of life you do here. Try to accomplish whatever goals you set in life. Now you will see where the roadblocks start coming. We in America are VERY VERY lucky to have our democracy and our rights. People FORGET how important and wonderful they are.

-= nav =-

 

[BigRedCat]

Hey I will let you guys in on a little secret. America is run by Jews. The people who actually pull the strings and control the US are very rich Jews from old money. And I am not talking the Hollywood movie making 2nd genration Jews either. I am talking since the foundation of our coutry. They are behind the scenes so to speak. So of course they are eternally linked to Israel. Its like their little brother, their homeland. They control banking,entertainment,jewelry- etc. If you control banking you have serious power. This whole terrorism thing is all about Jews vs. Muslims. The original old skool war if you will. It will be the end of humanity in all likelyhood.

Bush is a puppet who does as he is told and he is told to kill off the Muslims because they are too damn dangerous to the rest of us. Try and read between the lines. The answers are usually there and they are seldom on the surface. Forget about all the rhetoric and the war propaganda they are selling us, it all comes down to us vs. them.

Muslim extremist are essentially cave men on the evolution chain. They are backwards in a BIG way. Super religious(which to me signifies lack of intelligence) and very aggressive and violent. They are all doing this for allah. How pathetic if humans wipe themselves off the planet over a non existant god. Not that we(first world people) are much better. We live under a government that stomps around the world playing bully and dolling out death. Our way or the highway! We have created greed on a level that far surpasses any known before. We have more people in prisons than any country in the world. We are crumbling from the inside. Of course we have to take our side since the alternate sucks even worse. We are in for some troubled times. Think about it: here we are, almost the year 2003. We are supposed to be at our most evolved and instead we are on the brink of war over some BS political and religious reasons. If I was a betting man I would say our odds of long term survival does not look good. We as a people have a big achilles heel that is currently being targeted.

 

[SSAlexSS]

Hey I will let you guys in on a little secret. America is run by Jews. The people who actually pull the strings and control the US are very rich Jews from old money. And I am not talking the Hollywood movie making 2nd genration Jews either. I am talking since the foundation of our coutry. They are behind the scenes so to speak. So of course they are eternally linked to Israel. Its like their little brother, their homeland. They control banking,entertainment,jewelry- etc. If you control banking you have serious power. This whole terrorism thing is all about Jews vs. Muslims. The original old skool war if you will. It will be the end of humanity in all likelyhood.

is currently being targeted.

Oh man. I think you are right. Is it me or does CNN focuses more on israelis rather thab "evil" arabs? When 1 israeli soldier dies, its a tragedy and the news are all over this event. When 10 palestinians die, it rarely gets mentioned, as if it is unimportant.

 

[thebabydoc]

Don't believe me? I DARE you to move to the West Bank, Change your name to a muslim name, and start speaking arabic instead of jewish. Now TRY and lead the same type of life you do here. Try to accomplish whatever goals you set in life. Now you will see where the roadblocks start coming. We in America are VERY VERY lucky to have our democracy and our rights. People FORGET how important and wonderful they are.

Yeah, right. With all of our "democracy and our rights," why don't you try just being black right here in the good 'ol U.S. of A?

And the language of the Jews might be Hebraic or Hebrew, but certainly not "jewish." Yet another bigoted error.

Now SHUT THE FUCK UP, you ignoramus.

I am tired of constantly having to clarify facts for you racist clowns. The Palestinians have been offered peace a dozen times. They don't accept it because they simply want nothing less than the complete erradication of the State of Israel. The Palestinian people continue to support leaders that support TERRORIST actions. And it's not like the Iraqi people- who don't support their leader other than because of fear. No, the Palestinians do it out of hatred, ignorance, and the lies that they (like the idiots on this thread) have been brainwashed into believing.

I could run through a dozen scenarios of what would happen if we didn't support Israel but how about this one...
They get overrun by a million under/unarmed arabs, of which they slaughter 3/4 right off the bat, and then are forced to use their nuclear arsenal to wipe the Middle East clean. That should leave plenty of nice clean air and uncontaminated oil for us and the rest of the world to use.

By the way, you think our support for Israel began with Bush or Klinton? Like maybe Nixon, Kennedy, Reagan, and about a dozen other presidents haven't supported Israel. Try reading a book.

I am tired of reading shit like this here. This is a chat board, not a "voice your ignorant ethnic opinions" board. And yes, the opinions you are expressing here ARE based on racist beliefs. So take it elsewhere you ignorant, racist assclowns.

 

[Baby Gorilla]

Study your Bible....

Didnt God expel jews? There must have been a reason for that.
And it was a jew who betrayed Jesus!

By covenant with God, the Children of Israel are God's chosen people. When fully obedient to the covenant, they are undefeatable. When in transgression, they are subject to judgment.

Jesus came for them. Most of them rejected Him. The Jews called for His execution, but the GENTILES did the deed.

God's promise that those that bless Israel will be blessed and those that curse Israel will be cursed still holds true today. Think Hitler would have lost WWII if he targeted some other ethnic group or nation? There's a truckload of evidence showing the spiritual factors that went on with that man.

The world (for the most part) will turn on Israel. When they face what seems like certain destruction is when Jesus will return and defeat all that oppose Israel. They will behold Him and realize that He really was and is their messiah.

 

[2Thick]

Re: Study your Bible....

By covenant with God, the Children of Israel are God's chosen people. When fully obedient to the covenant, they are undefeatable. When in transgression, they are subject to judgment.

Jesus came for them. Most of them rejected Him. The Jews called for His execution, but the GENTILES did the deed.

God's promise that those that bless Israel will be blessed and those that curse Israel will be cursed still holds true today. Think Hitler would have lost WWII if he targeted some other ethnic group or nation? There's a truckload of evidence showing the spiritual factors that went on with that man.

The world (for the most part) will turn on Israel. When they face what seems like certain destruction is when Jesus will return and defeat all that oppose Israel. They will behold Him and realize that He really was and is their messiah.

The "Moral Majority" or the religious conservatives support Israel because they see the above scenerio in the near future.

The end of man in our livetimes....I am excited to see the fireworks.

 

[BigRedCat]

Dont hold your breath too long waiting for Jesus to come and save you. Sometimes I wish I had blind faith like that, anyway- yeah what rights? We are losing them every day.

It dosen't even matter if it is racist, the fact is it is a Jews vs. Muslim worldwide war. Wake up and realize this. Israel doesn't fuck around, if they get sent a serin gas SCUD from Saddaam they WILL retaliate with Nukes. Make no mistake, they do not fuck around. Of course no one cares if Palestinians die, the propoganda train makes it so. No remorse for your enemy is the name of the game. It is to the point where it is us or them literally so guess what? They will die. Many of us will too in the fight. You might as well think of Israel as America's little scrappy brother that we have to help out of he will start shit with the rest of the neighborhood and it will become our problem. Gotta help your family right?

 

[OMEGA]

the breach of hate can be sealed with love,
if it happenned to me, it can happen to us all.............
on both sides on, every side, we are all children of the universe, some indeed smarter then others, some more logical then others, but all children of this cosmos.
if we see things this way, are petty differences, and deep ones will seem insignifigant.
hand in hand shoulder to shoulder humanity can move together forward, but only in love

 

[SolidRock]

Funny how extremist jews throw the "racist card" if a person attacks the policies of Israel, a perfect example of that is on this thread, IF A PERSON HATES ISRAEL DOESNT MEAN THEY HATE JEWS, I HATE ISRAEL cause they are NAZIS but I have jewish friends.

 

[BigRedCat]

The breach of hate can be sealed by love? Holy shit, are from this century? It would be nice if that was true on a world wide level but it is not. That's a fact. Extremist muslims are filled with HATE for us. It will never change. It never has and never will.

How can the Jews be Nazis? Seems contradictary to me.

 

[SolidRock]

How can the Jews be Nazis? Seems contradictary to me.

Nazi like, Israeli soldiers and Israeli policies are Nazi like....

 

[SolidRock]

People need to realize there's TWO entities

Al Qaeda which are plain murderers and terrorists

and

Arabs fighting for their own land and rights and freedoms (palestinians).

I think we are all unanimous in hating Al Qaeda. If there was a US group that went over and started killing mulsims and afghans and trying to scare the PLO. Technically we will condone it, but underneath it we would be like "Yeah! kill our enemy!". That's how Arabs think of Al Qaeda. They don't like suicide bombers, but if it's fighting for it's cause, so be it.

I hate Al Qaeda, but I DO understand why Arabs and Mulsims would hate us. That's because we support THEIR enemy. Can you blame them. If i saw a poor palestinian tomorrow who has no future, no job, no skills, can't go out past 10pm, can't migrate or vacation in any country (cuz no one would dare allow a palestinian muslim to enter theri country, think about it), and has all his freedoms taken away by Isreali Soldiers armed with American machine guns --- yes i would apologize to him. For he's an *innocent* person who has done no wrong except be born in that land. And it's unjust for MY government to stick it's head into it and try to OPRESS him for no reason except that he's not a *jew*.

Funny, in America we ALL act as americans. Black, White, etc. But in THAT area -- it's either jews or arabs. And the Isreali government THEMSELVES distinguish betwene the two. That whole area is racist and proud of it. If America acted like Israeli and patrolled predominately black areas with tanks, and stopped every middle eastern guy in a car, and never allowed certain types of people to go past certain boundaries -- how would u feel?

Well, that's EXACTLY how life is like there in the gaza/west bank areas of Israel.

These young muslim youths grow up with nothing to look forward to, can never be CEO's of their hot technology company, can never go to NYC and enroll in university, can never hope to buy a corvette, can never vacation in hawaii -- yet see lucky jewish kids 20 miles north who can do all that. That disgust and hatred and compassion for the cause only grows from that towards the rich jews. And yes, that's where that "rich jews who control everyhting" stereotype came from. It's how muslim in Israel talk about the native jews.

Don't believe me? I DARE you to move to the West Bank, Change your name to a muslim name, and start speaking arabic instead of jewish. Now TRY and lead the same type of life you do here. Try to accomplish whatever goals you set in life. Now you will see where the roadblocks start coming. We in America are VERY VERY lucky to have our democracy and our rights. People FORGET how important and wonderful they are.

-= nav =-

excellent response.

 

[SolidRock]

Re: Study your Bible....

By covenant with God, the Children of Israel are God's chosen people. When fully obedient to the covenant, they are undefeatable. When in transgression, they are subject to judgment.


God's promise that those that bless Israel will be blessed and those that curse Israel will be cursed still holds true today. Think Hitler would have lost WWII if he targeted some other ethnic group or nation? There's a truckload of evidence showing the spiritual factors that went on with that man.

The world (for the most part) will turn on Israel. When they face what seems like certain destruction is when Jesus will return and defeat all that oppose Israel. They will behold Him and realize that He really was and is their messiah.

Most orthodox Jews dont agree with the UN creating Israel they beilve the Messiah is supposed to come down and create the nation of Israel. Orthodox Jews dont like Israel.

Do you have anything that proves that "God's promise that those that bless Israel will be blessed and those that curse Israel will be cursed" I dont belive it to be true.

Even Muslims belive that Jesus is coming back, and spread the world of Islam and defeat all opposition to Islam. And if jews accept Jesus as the messiah they are not jews but christians.

 

[big_bad_buff]

i would say there is a higher power watching over Israel. there are a few books about things that happend durring this war. testimonies of seeing supernatural things, (angels)

THE SIX-DAY WAR

In May, 1967, Egyptian and Syrian troops massed on Israel's borders, Egypt closed the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping, and Egyptian President Gamel Abdal Nasser filled the airwaves with calls to drive the Jews into the sea. The mood in the 19-year-old-country of Israel was bleak. Facing five well-equipped, Soviet trained Arab armies, Israel's defeat was virtually a foregone conclusion. The black humor on everyone's lips that Spring was: "The last one out, don't forget to turn off the lights."

Everyone knows that instead of defeat, Israel achieved a stunning victory. On June 5 at 7:46 AM, Israeli planes destroyed the entire Egyptian air force on the ground. In six days, Israel tripled its territory, gaining the Sinai Peninsula, the Golan Heights, the West Bank, and -- most precious of all -- the Old City and the Temple Mount.

The crucial strategy of destroying the Egyptian air force while their planes were still on the ground opened the way for the Israeli victory. The success of the maneuver is generally attributed to the Israeli planes flying below the tracking altitude of Egyptian radar. Many other factors, however, contributed to the success of the air strike and the subsequent battles. In fact, the coincidences and unlikely happenings at precisely the right time were so plentiful that, as we learn the details of the victory, the bulge in the curtain almost knocks us over.

For example, a few days before the war, the Commander of Egyptian forces in the Sinai was ordered to change commanders in most of his brigades, putting in charge officers who didn't know the terrain or their forces.

On the very morning of June 5th, three hours before the Israeli air strike, Egyptian intelligence did in fact issue a warning that an Israeli air attack would begin "within minutes." At that point, Egypt still had time to get its planes off the ground and save them. The message reached the command bunker in Cairo. An aide-de-camp signed a copy, but no one bothered to look for the Commander in Chief.

On the same morning of the attack, Egyptian officers stationed at the radar station in northern Jordan picked up the scrambling Israeli aircraft, and sent a red alert message to Cairo. The sergeant in the decoding room of the supreme command tried to decipher the message using the previous day's code and failed.

And where was Egypt's Commander in Chief? The night before, he and most of his top officers attended a party at an air force base in the northern delta area, at which a renowned belly dancer performed. Early the next morning, he took off for the Sinai, where he had ordered all his top commanders to assemble in order to meet a high-level Iraqi delegation. When the Israeli strike happened, not one senior officer was at his post.

 

[big_bad_buff]

the re-establishment of the state of Israel. The original Israel disappeared from the globe hundreds of years ago. In 1948 a new state of Israel was established. The regathering of Jews to Israel is a clear sign, in both the Old and New Testaments, that our age is just about over. Jesus said, "Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled" (Luke 21:24). On June 6, 1967, the Jews, for the first time since Jerusalem was captured by Nebuchadnezzar in 586 B.C., took over control of the entire city of Jerusalem, thus signaling the approaching end of Gentile world power.

 

[Silent Method]

Do you guys know WHY Iraq doesn't possess nuclear weapons... because of Isreal's superior forsight in 1981. Incase ant of you historians don't know what I'm talking about... I'll clue you in: In 1981, an Isreali F-16 bombed an Iraqi nuclear reactor the day the construtcion of it was complete.

Guess who sold and trained them to use the F-16?? Just an observation...

 

[big_bad_buff]

Jeremiah 46:28, the prophet says that God will never allow the Jews to be completely destroyed and that God will completely destroy all of the nations to which the Jews have been scattered. Many Christian scholars view this as an End Time prophecy, which will take place in the future, when the world is destroyed, except for the Holy Land. But part of this prophecy is being fulfilled already - despite the attempts of the Assyrians, Babylonians, Romans and Nazis to destroy the Jews, the Jews are still with us and Israel again is a sovereign nation. But the empires of the Assyrians, Babylonians, Romans and Nazis have been destroyed.

 

[IanStuart]

Ever stop to think the bible is nothing more then a compilation of stories, bigbadbuff? Is it possible that blind faith alone isn't "proof" of the existance of a god? What makes your religion that has been proven wrong over and over by facts, common sense and science right compared to any other religion which christianity will state is false?

 

[Baby Gorilla]

....Of course no one cares if Palestinians die, the propoganda train makes it so....

That's not so. No person with a sound mind wants anyone to die. However, the Palestinians are not innocent victims. They are raising their children to become suicide bombers as if that's a good thing.

Call Endtime ministries at 1800ENDTIME and ask about the video they should have on the media's spin on the middle east (couldn't find it online, but not everything gets posted).

It details how the media spins so much junk out of the middle east to show the PLO saying one thing when they really say another. Claiming to want peace in a speach that propagates war. Terrorism is bad, but even the UN says it's okay when used by people like the PLO against Israel. Huh? No. Gurrella Warfare is what you often resort to. Terrorism isn't a legitimate means of war. The former targets military and government. The latter targets civilians.

SolidRock, as someone else pointed out in part, it's in the Bible. Don't have time to do a specific scripture reference right now as I have to get out soon.

IanStuart, the Bible is true. I know that because the spirit of God resides within me when I was born-again. It's a matter of faith, but God has since given me enough proof that I am comfortable in trusting in all that book promises will come to pass and what it has to say about what has been and what is.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Well, this thread has been done a bunch of times. It;s good to see the white trash like MP5 on here. Too bad dballer couldn't make it.

I want to keep this simple so that those of you like MP5 with your $12 an hour jobs can get it too. I don't want to get into religious history or any of that. I won't even mention that a Jew financed the majority of the American revolution.

I will just mention that Israel remains the only democracy in the Middle east.

Another good point worth hearing is that Egypt and Saudi Arabia combined got more money than Israel last year. So the Arab world is getting their share from Uncle Sam.

As for the dumbass who said there was no Islamic terrorism before Israel, look up the Almohad Moors and how they disturbed the Muslim/Christian/Jew balance that was working so well on the Iberian Peninsula about 1150-1250.

Good to see ignorance abound. Keep it up.

 

[SCOTTY-TWO-HOTTY]

Well, this thread has been done a bunch of times. It;s good to see the white trash like MP5 on here. Too bad dballer couldn't make it.

I want to keep this simple so that those of you like MP5 with your $12 an hour jobs can get it too. I don't want to get into religious history or any of that. I won't even mention that a Jew financed the majority of the American revolution.

I will just mention that Israel remains the only democracy in the Middle east.

Another good point worth hearing is that Egypt and Saudi Arabia combined got more money than Israel last year. So the Arab world is getting their share from Uncle Sam.

As for the dumbass who said there was no Islamic terrorism before Israel, look up the Almohad Moors and how they disturbed the Muslim/Christian/Jew balance that was working so well on the Iberian Peninsula about 1150-1250.

Good to see ignorance abound. Keep it up.

Loving it Matt! Nice work.

 

[manny78]

I will just mention that Israel remains the only democracy in the Middle east.


As for the dumbass who said there was no Islamic terrorism before Israel, look up the Almohad Moors and how they disturbed the Muslim/Christian/Jew balance that was working so well on the Iberian Peninsula about 1150-1250.

- only democracy ....... so what ? You know like me the US doesn't only support democracy but also dictators (I guess Cuba under Batista was also the only democracy in the Caribbeans ? lol). Look at Chavez in Venezuela, the CIA was and I guess still trying to kick him out. Hello democracy ?

- Aren't you a Libertarian BTW ?

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

People need to realize there's TWO entities

Al Qaeda which are plain murderers and terrorists

and

Arabs fighting for their own land and rights and freedoms (palestinians).

Oh OK there are only two entities? Hamas? Hezbollah? Who are they? Palestinians aren't really Arabs. Al Qaeda is not especially active in the Palestinians movement. It's more hamas and Hezbollah as that goes.

I think we are all unanimous in hating Al Qaeda. If there was a US group that went over and started killing mulsims and afghans and trying to scare the PLO. Technically we will condone it, but underneath it we would be like "Yeah! kill our enemy!". That's how Arabs think of Al Qaeda. They don't like suicide bombers, but if it's fighting for it's cause, so be it.

So suicide bombing is OK if it supports a cause? September 11th was OK because it was for a cause? As long as anyone recognizes suicide attacks on civilians as a means for fighting for a cause, those people do not deserve national sovereignty. You can't call yourself a 'civilization' when your disregard for life is so flagrant.

I hate Al Qaeda, but I DO understand why Arabs and Mulsims would hate us. That's because we support THEIR enemy. Can you blame them. If i saw a poor palestinian tomorrow who has no future, no job, no skills, can't go out past 10pm, can't migrate or vacation in any country (cuz no one would dare allow a palestinian muslim to enter theri country, think about it), and has all his freedoms taken away by Isreali Soldiers armed with American machine guns --- yes i would apologize to him. For he's an *innocent* person who has done no wrong except be born in that land. And it's unjust for MY government to stick it's head into it and try to OPRESS him for no reason except that he's not a *jew*.

First of all, the idea that palestinains can't go elsewhere is just completely untrue. Interestingly (although not really relevant) there are still laws on the books that Jews can't live in Australia (though quite a number do) and Spain just repealed their laws keeping Jews out in 1996.

The styate of Israel was formed, in fact, by US/England forcing it through the UN. Why? neither country wanted the jews to immigrate. After WW2 England flat out said NO! whereas the US was reticent. Many appeals were made to FDR during WW2. No one could blame him - he was winning the war. Anyway, my point is there aren't any restrictions imposed by neighboring countries to keep Palestinains out. But a similar policy toward the Jews has a lot to do with this crisis.

Our governemnt doesn't oppress anyone over there. In fact, we gave more money to Egypt and Saudi Arabia last year than to Israel. The idea that America is oppressing anyone is the same stupid crap that Yasser and has ilk use to justify the continued suicide attacks. It is believed by uneducated masses in the Middle east. No surprise you believe it too, I suppose.

Funny, in America we ALL act as americans. Black, White, etc. But in THAT area -- it's either jews or arabs. And the Isreali government THEMSELVES distinguish betwene the two. That whole area is racist and proud of it. If America acted like Israeli and patrolled predominately black areas with tanks, and stopped every middle eastern guy in a car, and never allowed certain types of people to go past certain boundaries -- how would u feel?

LOL! Actually, the Israel government does not discriminate. The Israel government allows native born Muslims to vote...something they are unable to do in any other Middle eastern country. Show me a Middle eastern country other than israel where a Jew can vote.

These young muslim youths grow up with nothing to look forward to, can never be CEO's of their hot technology company, can never go to NYC and enroll in university, can never hope to buy a corvette, can never vacation in hawaii -- yet see lucky jewish kids 20 miles north who can do all that. That disgust and hatred and compassion for the cause only grows from that towards the rich jews. And yes, that's where that "rich jews who control everyhting" stereotype came from. It's how muslim in Israel talk about the native jews.

If you think those stereotypes about the Jews came fm that, then you are just one uninformed motherfucker. That stereoptype dates back to the renaissance, when christians could not act as bankers because of strict relgious laws. jews financed the beginning of international trade because they were able to loan capital to various enterprises which required higher startup costs (shipping, primitive insurance etc.)

As for the opportunities that israelis have - that is a functionof a culture that values education, democracy and life, not suicide bombers and terrorism.


You are one uninformed goon.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Manny
what do any of those other examples have to do with the Middle east? stay on topic jackass

 

[manny78]

Manny
what do any of those other examples have to do with the Middle east? stay on topic jackass

You bring arguments but nothing to back them. Why do you need to support the only democracy in the ME ? Please elaborate. You wanna talk about the way your country acts toward democracies, then let's talk about it, but don't get offended by the truth son of a bitch......

 

[Testosterone boy]

Matt doesn't seem too happy these days?

 

[Strong_Man20]

- only democracy ....... so what ? You know like me the US doesn't only support democracy but also dictators (I guess Cuba under Batista was also the only democracy in the Caribbeans ? lol). Look at Chavez in Venezuela, the CIA was and I guess still trying to kick him out. Hello democracy ?

- Aren't you a Libertarian BTW ?

excellent point!!

 

[Strong_Man20]

You bring arguments but nothing to back them. Why do you need to support the only democracy in the ME ? Please elaborate. You wanna talk about the way your country acts toward democracies, then let's talk about it, but don't get offended by the truth son of a bitch......

Sorry Manny,

Matt will only answer the easy questions.....he keeps telling us he is not Jewish, he must think we were all born yesterday.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Nav,

It's actually a 6200 square foot riverfront castle, and a Pepsi Twist. Also there is a wings place a mile away, so you may see me on the sundeck with some wings. But I digress.

Certainly white American males have more opportunity than anyone else in the world. I don't think that is pertinent to your points.

I still don't see where you are going with this.

Life for a Palestinian kid must be pretty shitty. I think you should say "Israeli" instead of 'jewish", because Jews are not confined to Israel, and not all Israelis are jews. So Jewish is a little bit misleading.

In order to make this a meaningful discussion, we have to get at the "why", not just acknowledge certain facts. If you just want to say "group A is better off than group B", how would you like to be Somali or an Untouchable in India?

Anyway: I give Israel a lot of credit for providing these opportunities for their despite the neighbors. The neighbors, after all, are the ones who have invaded numerous times, always repelled and defeated by Israeli forces. Americans never intervened to help Israel in any war. But you never here CNN (or anyone) talk about how Israel perseveres, has a relatively strong economy without oil, creates breakthrough technology for our military (they are leaders in optic/laser technology),or any of that.

As to Palestinians:

When the Palestinians turned to their eighbors, they were killed wholesale. When they turned to Jordan's King Hussein, and said "give us land for a state". he slaughtered 30,000 of them. when Palestinains appraoched Syria, President Hafez Assad treated them the exact same way. So much for the Islamic brotherhood etc.

This is nothing you would ever see on CNN.


Show me another Middle Eastern nation with comparable human rights or economic strength to Israel. These rights that their citizens have are the bedrock on which the opportunities are built. In contrast, Saudi Arabia has more oil than anywhere else, and they have one of the weakest economies and highest unemployments in the area. That's how things go in opperssive religious monarchies.


The bottom line is, Israel is a democracy with a respect for human life and opportunity. It so happens that the jewish religion values learning and education: check out the list of jewish Nobel prize winners sometime. Surrounding countries are dictatorships or theocracies that care little for anything other than their own power. The divergent paths of Arab/Muslim nations and Israel is the proof of the differeing ideologies.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Strong Man

If I were Jewish I would be proud of it. Despite being run all over the world and attempts at extermination, most Jews conitnue to thrive and do well economically. They also are leaders in the sciences and enterntainment, as well as fiannce and economics. I'd be happy to be a member of a group of winners like that.

Show me another nation, race, or ethnic group who has succeeded like Jews, especially in the face of adversity.

 

[manny78]

Sorry Manny,

Matt will only answer the easy questions.....he keeps telling us he is not Jewish, he must think we were all born yesterday.

So far I have no problem with jews. In fact, most of my friend are jews, queers or girls. Nice mix lol Also supporting a country cause its the only democracy somewhere isn't a bad idea. But you need to have a constant logic. Ain't the case here since Saudi Arabia and Egypt also have some privileges.

Also if you're pro-democracy then you shouldn't do any business with China.

 

[big_bad_buff]

What makes your religion that has been proven wrong over and over by facts, common sense and science right compared to any other religion which christianity will state is false?

i hate to lower my intelligence level speaking with ignorant people like yourself, but you seem to have everything backwards. never has there been a fact proving the bible being wrong, the bible/creation has proven evolution(i guess this is what your talking about)wrong time and time again. it's just people like you that choose not to see it.

as a matter a fact, i would like you to email me, pm me, or reply to this, with one fact proving it's wrong. i'm sure you wont, because you can't, there is no proof, you speak from your ass just like a true evolutionists.

 

[Strong_Man20]

Strong Man

If I were Jewish I would be proud of it. Despite being run all over the world and attempts at extermination, most Jews conitnue to thrive and do well economically. They also are leaders in the sciences and enterntainment, as well as fiannce and economics. I'd be happy to be a member of a group of winners like that.

Show me another nation, race, or ethnic group who has succeeded like Jews, especially in the face of adversity.

Non-jews regardless if they are pro-Zionist or pro Pal would not
be so emotionally aggressive towards others with different opinions if they were not of Jewish decent.

If you look at anti-zionists such as dballer or supernav who are nor Jewish or Muslim, you would be hard pressed to find any posts that show them attacking others for not sharing the same opinion as them.

With you however this is not the case. you make comments such as "uninformed motherfucker" All im saying is attack the argument not the one making it.

Show me another nation, race, or ethnic group who has succeeded like Jews, especially in the face of adversity.

The ancient Greeks for one have contributed allot more than the Jews have. Even the Arabs in particular the Iraqis, have invented mathametics that we base our technology on to this day.

 

[MP5]

Oh god, Matt made fun of me and called me a redneck!

what is he i wonder? A closet jew, closet fag? I can work on vehicles, do construction, hunt, fish, don't wear outfits, don't worry about my hair, in the NRA, shoot archery, lift weights, and i don't spend hours in the bathroom getting ready in the morning. I guess if that makes me a redneck so be it. Just cause i don't buy into the jewish propoganda makes me a terrible person. I thought this was elite fitness, did not know i need a star of David stuck to my chest to post here.

Matt, when you are done looking at yourself in the mirror, picking up your car from Jiffylube, done shopping at the mall, done talking on the phone, done with your shows on Lifetime, done reading muscle and fitness...answer me this...why is it the USA taxpayer's responsibilty to give $6 billion a year to Israel? Why not mexico, korea, japan, etc?

 

[SolidRock]

Another good point worth hearing is that Egypt and Saudi Arabia combined got more money than Israel last year. So the Arab world is getting their share from Uncle Sam.

As for the dumbass who said there was no Islamic terrorism before Israel, look up the Almohad Moors and how they disturbed the Muslim/Christian/Jew balance that was working so well on the Iberian Peninsula about 1150-1250.

How fucking dumb can a person be, do you know why we give SAUDI money??? for damn OIL, we dont give it to them for FREE,

do you know why we give EGYPT MONEY, MAINLY to stay PEACEFUL with ISRAEL. so dont bring up that bullshit.

We give money to Israel basically FOR NOTHING!!!!!11

Almdhad Moors your calling them terroists now??? give me a damn break, are you telling me every invasion done by muslims in the history of this planet is terrorism, THIS WAS 1100 for godsakes, THIS IS HOW THINGS WERE DONE BACK THEN.

The conventional "terrorism" that we have come to know STARTED WITH THE CREATION OF ISRAEL;.

 

[MP5]

in 1100A.D. they threw mud at each other, those damn terroists!

 

[SolidRock]

Palestinians aren't really Arabs.

WHAT?????????? what are they fucking CHINESE??? they are Arab. Infact they are the original pure arabs, the original semites.

 

[SolidRock]

As to Palestinians:

When the Palestinians turned to their eighbors, they were killed wholesale. When they turned to Jordan's King Hussein, and said "give us land for a state". he slaughtered 30,000 of them. when Palestinains appraoched Syria, President Hafez Assad treated them the exact same way. So much for the Islamic brotherhood etc.

Are you kidding me?? King Hussein yes killed them, but the Syrians came to the aid of the palestinians they didnt treat them the same way, that was idiotic by King Hussein that is why the Arabs had Isolated him till his death,,, but its not how you described it at all and it wasnt 30,000 it was less than 20,000

After the war, the Jordan-based Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) continued to attack Israel, threatening to depose the king if he interfered.

Finally, Hussein had had enough. In September 1970 -- the month Palestinian radicals would come to call Black September -- the 34-year-old monarch ordered his army to drive the PLO out of the country. Syrian troops came to the aid of the Palestinians, while Israeli soldiers massed across the border.

When the fighting finally ended, the Palestinian radicals had lost. And although Hussein remained popular at home, the Arab world largely isolated him throughout most of the 1970s.



Dont forget Jordan is 50% + Palestinian, and the queen of Jordan is Palestinian, King Hussein did a bad thing, and arabs hate him for that.

 

[Testosterone boy]

Okay, let's use an example:

Two babies are born tomorrow. One a jew in Israel. One a muslim in the west bank.

They BOTH want to one day by President of Israel and do everything they can to achieve it.

Now who SERIOUSLY do you think has a better chance, or even a chance AT ALL?

There you go. Equal Rights and Democracy my butt. The muslim kid probably couldn't even get himself into a university or israeli administration let alone President. The chances of seeing a muslim President in Israel are about 1 in 50 billion.

The government is always supposed to be "WE THE PEOPLE". I'd *LOVE* to see the ethnic makeup of the Israeli government. Care to spill those numbers please if u can?

nav




Its not at all like America, the land of unbounded opportunity. You can be a Cabinet member here....if you are worth $100 million.

 

[Testosterone boy]

Yep. Well IMAGINE if you will, if EVERYONE in the White House was Christian.

That's why i'd like to see the ethnic/racial makeup of the Israeli administration.

-= nav =-

The word Christian means different things to almost everyone. So what would happen if the White House was Christian? They would quit watching pornos? Oh, I doubt that.

 

[prophet]

jews control the media and there are some very powerful jewish lobbiests down in washington

 

[3Vandoo]

One of the biggest reasons Arabs hate USA, is USA unconditional support of Israel.

USA supplies Israel with weapons, weapons that Israelis use to kill innocent arabs. When palestinians die, they die using OUR weapons, that WE supplied.


Look USA has done more killing than all Arabs combined.

The Arabs and especially Arabs Muslim are not able to admit their own problems. They blaimed the Mongols!
They blaimed the Ottoman (turks)
blaimed the British and the west
and when the US became a US power they blaimed the US!!!!!!!

After the Iranian revolution and Khomeino said US is the GREAT SATAN
then the US was the number one ennemy.

But the US is not white as snow hell no!
If the american public be aware of what really happen outthere in this world you would be killing your leaders and big companies!


But in some years, when the Middle East will be look down because the west will have another source of energy!
Support for Israel will be gone, believe me, of course the lobbies in the states will be enormous. I know many IDF soldiers, and hell they are asshole that believe they are the centre of this world!!!

I WISH ONE DAMN THEY FINALLY MEET REAL ARMIES!!!!!!!

 

[TxArmyGuy]

Good post 3vandoo

didn't think I was going to come back to relive this post...I listen closely to people I know who have spent time in these countries...my stepdad has some strongpoints of view. Given that he spent most of his almost 30 years in the military in this region doing a job not many would understand I take his words to heart


As for those poor poor palistianians...As he would say Screw em...the Arabs dont care about them and neither do their own leaders

 

[The_Mexican]

Good post 3vandoo




As for those poor poor palistianians...As he would say Screw em...the Arabs dont care about them and neither do their own leaders

thats not very nice

 

[Mandinka2]

No comment

"RIGHT-wing opponents of Israel's Prime Minister Ariel Sharon seized top positions Monday following a ballot of the ruling Likud party for parliamentary candidates.


The results of the poll among the 2,500 members of the Likud's central committee showed that opponents of the very concept of a Palestinian state had taken the top 10 positions.


Backers of the hawkish Benjamin Netanyahu, the foreign minister, who lost the leadership ballot to Mr Sharon last month, also did well.


Mr Sharon backs the establishment of a small demilitarised Palestinian state, after a lengthy peace process. This notion now appears to have little support among the Likud electorate.


In the run-up to a general election set for January 28, the Likud's central committee is now heavily weighted towards hawks opposed to any Palestinian state.


Meanwhile, Israeli troops yesterday shot dead a 28-year-old mentally handicapped Palestinian at a military checkpoint on the West Bank.


The army said soldiers opened fire when the man refused an order to halt and started running.


(Daily Telegraph, London and agencies)



Inigo Gilmore in Jerusalem" - today's news - British newspaper

 

[Hengst]

Okay, all white nationalists raise their hands.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

How fucking dumb can a person be, do you know why we give SAUDI money??? for damn OIL, we dont give it to them for FREE,

do you know why we give EGYPT MONEY, MAINLY to stay PEACEFUL with ISRAEL. so dont bring up that bullshit.

We give money to Israel basically FOR NOTHING!!!!!11

Almdhad Moors your calling them terroists now??? give me a damn break, are you telling me every invasion done by muslims in the history of this planet is terrorism, THIS WAS 1100 for godsakes, THIS IS HOW THINGS WERE DONE BACK THEN.

The conventional "terrorism" that we have come to know STARTED WITH THE CREATION OF ISRAEL;.

We actually give Saudi $4BILLION for free. The government doesn't buy too much oil - it's typically privately bought. Saudi gets a shitload of government money.

Egypt and Israel both get money as part of a treaty arrangement. Israel gets additional money but it must be used to purchase weapons from American defense contractors If anything this is a subsidy for American corporations.

If you don't know about the Almohad Moors then do me a favor and look it up. The Pyrenees mountains had cutr off the Iberain Peninsula from the remainder of Europe, which the CAtholci Church had kept in teh dark ages. As such, society flourished there. Jews, Christians and Muslims all lived together, even used the same buildings as houses of worship.

The arrival of the Almohads marke the end of this peace. Like I said, if you don't know what you;re talking about, look it up.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

in 1100A.D. they threw mud at each other, those damn terroists!

MPDwarf

In 1100, most of europe was in fact throwing mud at each other, because the Church had the whole continent oppressed.

The Church was unable to create this same kind of environment in the Iberian Peninusla at this time because ti was unreachable due to the Pyrenees....

On teh peninsula, Muslims, Jews and Christians all got along really wel. The first threat tot his society was the Almohad moors, who insisted on subjugating the non Muslim groups. Most people left. Shortly thereafter, the Crusades began and the Moors were driven out.

Like I told the other guy, look that shit up.

 

[runner]

The chances of seeing a muslim President in Israel are about 1 in 50 billion.
-= nav =-

of course, we've had nothing but white male presidents here (all but one were protestant).

what are the odds of a gay black female becoming president here? about one in 50 billion.

 

[Testosterone boy]

of course, we've had nothing but white male presidents here (all but one were protestant).

what are the odds of a gay black female becoming president here? about one in 50 billion.

Don't tell that to Hillary, she thinks she has a shot. I don't think she has a good shot but many people do. Colin Powell might be able to win if he didn't get shot. So there is a black and a female.

 

[SolidRock]

We actually give Saudi $4BILLION for free. The government doesn't buy too much oil - it's typically privately bought. Saudi gets a shitload of government money.

Egypt and Israel both get money as part of a treaty arrangement. Israel gets additional money but it must be used to purchase weapons from American defense contractors If anything this is a subsidy for American corporations.

Thats BULLSHIT, show me were SAUDI GETS 4 BILLION FOR FREE, total bullshit.

Israel is bullshit, Israel invaded Lebanon, used the world banned cluster bombs to kill 20,000 civilians, destroyed the countries infrastructure and occupied its people for two decades. Now they want to be compensated for finally obeying international law and getting out of land where they have no business being? If anyone ought to be compensated, it's the lebanese people. its not the responsibility of the American tax payer to pay up!!!!!!!

AND

the US pays Egypt $2.1 billion/year for signing a peace treaty with Israel and is asked to pay umpteen billions of tax payer dollars every time Israel notions that is will consider a pull-back from occupied territories.

they give EGYPT AID FOR SIGNING A PEACE TREATY WITH ISRAEL, why the hell is america doing Israels peace talks.

 

[SolidRock]

We actually give Saudi $4BILLION for free. The government doesn't buy too much oil - it's typically privately bought. Saudi gets a shitload of government money.

Egypt and Israel both get money as part of a treaty arrangement. Israel gets additional money but it must be used to purchase weapons from American defense contractors If anything this is a subsidy for American corporations.

Thats BULLSHIT, show me were SAUDI GETS 4 BILLION FOR FREE, total bullshit.

Israel is bullshit, Israel invaded Lebanon, used the world banned cluster bombs to kill 20,000 civilians, destroyed the countries infrastructure and occupied its people for two decades. Now they want to be compensated for finally obeying international law and getting out of land where they have no business being? If anyone ought to be compensated, it's the lebanese people. its not the responsibility of the American tax payer to pay up!!!!!!!

AND

the US pays Egypt $2.1 billion/year for signing a peace treaty with Israel and is asked to pay umpteen billions of tax payer dollars every time Israel notions that is will consider a pull-back from occupied territories.

they give EGYPT AID FOR SIGNING A PEACE TREATY WITH ISRAEL, why the hell is america doing Israels peace talks.

 

[SolidRock]

If you don't know about the Almohad Moors then do me a favor and look it up. The Pyrenees mountains had cutr off the Iberain Peninsula from the remainder of Europe, which the CAtholci Church had kept in teh dark ages. As such, society flourished there. Jews, Christians and Muslims all lived together, even used the same buildings as houses of worship.

The arrival of the Almohads marke the end of this peace. Like I said, if you don't know what you;re talking about, look it up.

The Almohad Moors were nothing but arabs and bebers and other galvic and spanish people mixed up into one, after years of war, the Moors controlled most of Spain as you well know.

Are you telling me anytime in history of the world when one group went and broke up peace of the commuinty its TERRORISM???

There was nothing as terrorism in that point in time, it was all war.

 

[SolidRock]

As for those poor poor palistianians...As he would say Screw em...the Arabs dont care about them and neither do their own leaders

Now the arabs dont care about them? lol, isnt the american govermnet saying that all arab nations need to stop funding Palestine cause money is ending up in the hand of terrorists?

Even Iran and Pakistan and Indonesia, basically all Muslim countries not Arabs are enraged with the Palestinian issue, ask any muslim what the person hates the most he will say the palestianian issue.

That stupid Pakistani that killed 3 cia agents did it for the Palestinians, Osama does his shit mainly for the palestinians.

 

[manny78]

The Almohad Moors were nothing but arabs and bebers and other galvic and spanish people mixed up into one, after years of war, the Moors controlled most of Spain as you well know.

Are you telling me anytime in history of the world when one group went and broke up peace of the commuinty its TERRORISM???

There was nothing as terrorism in that point in time, it was all war.

I guess the Minuteman and the whole American Revolution was terrorism.

 

[Testosterone boy]

I guess the Minuteman and the whole American Revolution was terrorism.

The Boston Tea Party was akin to terrorism was it not?

 

[manny78]

The Boston Tea Party was akin to terrorism was it not?

with today's definition of terrorism, yes.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Solid

Nice of you to do a little research. Now do some more and we can talk about how the Almohads upset the balance in the only area of europe that was culturally thriving, free of Church oppression.

They did a good thing, because the Renaissance began when the cultural breakthroughs from Iberia hit europe. But it was still terrorism.

Saudi really does get $4B a year from us. That isn't bullshit. Look that motherfucker up if you doubt it. even MP5 knows that.

Egypt and Israel get the same amounts as per the peace treaty. Anything additional given to Israel is a grantthat must be spent on weapons from American companies. It;s shady, but it is a subisdy for US arms makers. Lestyou gettoo worked up, we do the same for Saudi. In fact, since theGulf war, Saudi Arabia has bought more US weapons than all other nations put together, and we have helped them out big time.

Now, another piece of US policy you may not know. At the start of the Gulf war in 199, the US forgave all debts to every Middle easternnation exceot Israel. This was an agreement to start the war in Iraq - that the other nations would not interefere. The US, though, did not forgive Israel's debt.

Not only that, but via the use of military strategy, the USkept Israel outof the war, which, as we have seen in the past, was helpful to Arab nations, since Israel demolishes them in combat.

The US has done a ton to help out Arab/Muslim nations. Their leaders are unfortunatly pigs who turn their backs on the people. And that is the biggest reason for Muslim terrorism.

 

[3Vandoo]

The US has done a ton to help out Arab/Muslim nations. Their leaders are unfortunatly pigs who turn their backs on the people. And that is the biggest reason for Muslim terrorism. [/B][/QUOTE]

So true!!!! corruption is ruinning the Arab's world. And unfortunately it is not democracy or whatever ideology from the west that will save them but fundamental Islam!!!! Of course we can compare Iran, where since the revolution occured they are in deeper shit, oh well....


An old wise man once said

African solutions to african problems
well Arab solutions to Arab problems
get the fuck out of there, remind business partner that all and leave them alone!

And to end, Terrorism in the 1970's and 1980, 60% was Sponsored by the Soviet and the rest by the US. Those two countries were probably the biggest terror organization in the world, leave the towelheads alone, they react to us due to many factors! We alienate them, they feel backward, too bad.

Someday I wish that God (if he exist)
Open the clouds and yell to the earth's population BUNCH OF IDIOTS WHAT I'VE YOU DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[SolidRock]

Solid

Nice of you to do a little research. Now do some more and we can talk about how the Almohads upset the balance in the only area of europe that was culturally thriving, free of Church oppression.

They did a good thing, because the Renaissance began when the cultural breakthroughs from Iberia hit europe. But it was still terrorism.

Research? You the type of person that thinks just cause you know history you know alot of shit rite? My friend is a descent of the Moors from the Spanish Morrocan reigion, so ive been knowning of the Moors.

Im sorry but if the moors were terrorists so are every single fight or war in human history ? rite

 

[SolidRock]

Saudi really does get $4B a year from us. That isn't bullshit. Look that motherfucker up if you doubt it. even MP5 knows that.

Egypt and Israel get the same amounts as per the peace treaty. Anything additional given to Israel is a grantthat must be spent on weapons from American companies.

Saudi DOES NOT GET 4 BILLION A YEAR from the US in AID, thats bullshit, you got caught in a lie and cant prove that fact, so saying "mp5 also knows it" dont mean shit to me.

Israel gets more than Egypt, and Egypt gets the money for remaining peaceful with Israel, for example, when the intifada was in high progress Egypt said its gonna cut the peace treaty with Israel, the US then said Aid will be stopped if Egypt does that cause of the treaty. Israel gets aid just for being Israel.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

For the 29th time - the "aid" to Israel (above the peace treaty) is in the form of debt forgiveness, and money for weapons.

1. No supporter of any Arab or Muslim should say a word against debt forgiveness. At the start of Desert Storm, the US forgave the debt of every Middle eastern nation except Israel .

The weapons money requires the Israeli government to buy weapons fom US arms makers. that is how Israel must use the money. This is a subsidy for US arms makers (big lobbyists and donors) and we do it for a lot of countries.

There is no "money just for being Israel".

I will look into a source for the aid to Saudi. I wouldn't bullshit you to advance an agenda. I'm not a politician.

Here's one for you: when was the last 'jihad' prior to 1979?

 

[3Vandoo]

The only money that goes from the US to Israel that is not under a "military aid program" is made by Jewish association and groups that send alot of millions back home!

there many groups that does that, the Armenian rank second