UPDATE re: Kexing's being 192 amino-acid

[_Yossarian_]

wasnt this the problem with EquiGen(horse growth hormone) which has the 192 amino chain? There was a big uproar when 15 or so vials were found in a world class cyclists hotel room because the 192 aa sequence classifies it as an S4 poison when introduced into the human body?

someone correct me if Im wrong.....

 

[Kingwinny]

So if you use a 192aa, then you can prevent your body from responding to a 191aa in the future?

Also, I hear of guys raving about Kexing on other boards. It seems like some respond to it and others dont.

 

[Kingwinny]

So if you use a 192aa, then this may prevent your body from responding to future use of a 191aa like serostim?

also, I hear about people raving about Kexing on other boards, whats the deal with that? It must work then for some people, no?

any other opinions?

 

[buckwheat1]

I am not a doctor or chemist but I do believe the production of antibodies has nothing to do with purity.

The 192aa differs from your bodies 191aa version. In some people, this will be detected as a foreign object and antibodies will be generated. This will not happen with the 191 version since body cannot tell the diffrence since it is exactly the same.

The first versions of GH were 192 sequence and antibodies occurred in some people. I believe that the antibodies are probably a product of how long , how much and how sensitive a person is. Discontinuing use should cause the antibodies to decline and disappear.

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Here is excerpt from the Geref product. Geref is a growth hormone releaser.

"ADVERSE REACTIONS
A large proportion of patients develop anti-GRF antibodies at least once during treatment with Geref® (sermorelin acetate for injection). The significance of these antibodies is not clear and often a positive test at one growth assessment will become negative by the next assessment. The presence of antibodies does not appear to affect growth or appear to be related to a specific adverse reaction profile. No generalized allergic reactions to Geref® have been reported. "


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One possible tactic would be to cycle on/off Kexing and use a 191aa product like Jinitropin in an alternating fashion. Maybe one month on and then one month off.

 

[buckwheat1]

any Kexing users.....please comment.

Thanks,
Kingwinny

I should also note that I am using Kexing and the first time I used it over a 2 month period. I felt that I saw a difference in my skin. It was more hydrated.

I am using it again and within a few days I went up a number of pounds due to water retention when I was at 3IU's day. So something is occurring when I take it.

I am going to try to run GH for at least 6 months. I will be trying Jin when I get a chance. But so far don't see anything wrong with Kexing.

I have never gotten any welts using Kexing. But I also use BW water from www.pinz.com and not the supplied ampules.

 

[browndog1]

good info everyone. So it's totally settled - Kexing is 192 and Jin is 191.


...bd

 

[einstein1905]

Purity can play a factor in development of antibodies. A foreign protein (any residual bacterial proteins in high enough concentrations) can induce "signal zero" with regards to the immune system, which will make any other soluble proteins in the local environment more susceptible to eliciting an immune response, very similar to how vaccine adjuvants work. The 192aa GH (assuming it is structurally different enough) can also cause "signal zero" itself and provide an upregulated immune environment which increases the potential for any soluble proteins to elicit an immune response too....the end results would be the same, but there are two different potential "initiators".

If anti-192aa GH antibodies are formed, it's almost guaranteed that they'd also react to any other form of GH, be it 191aa or endogenous.....that's why I'm so cautious about this.

 

[Quadsweep]

bump for more opinions and experiences with Kexing


Kingwinny

I actually liked it fine. I use bac water with it and no probs. makes my wrist hurt like any 191 amino HGH. I will keep using them.

Quad

 

[WannaImpress]

Purity can play a factor in development of antibodies. A foreign protein (any residual bacterial proteins in high enough concentrations) can induce "signal zero" with regards to the immune system, which will make any other soluble proteins in the local environment more susceptible to eliciting an immune response, very similar to how vaccine adjuvants work. The 192aa GH (assuming it is structurally different enough) can also cause "signal zero" itself and provide an upregulated immune environment which increases the potential for any soluble proteins to elicit an immune response too....the end results would be the same, but there are two different potential "initiators".

If anti-192aa GH antibodies are formed, it's almost guaranteed that they'd also react to any other form of GH, be it 191aa or endogenous.....that's why I'm so cautious about this.

Glad to see you over here einstein. Quadsweep, keep us posted on your progress.

 

[WannaImpress]

Thought I would bump it with all this GH talk.