Upcoming cycle question..

[Dooley]

I'm planning a 10-weeker coming up soon, and I just had a thought I wanted to impose on everyone for suggestions.

Idea 1:
Wk 1-10 250mg/w test enan.
Wk 1-4 20mg/day d-bol
Wk 5-10 200mg/w nandrolone deca.

Idea 2:
Wk 1-10 250 mg/w test enan.
Wk 1-2 20 or 25 mg d-bol
Wk 3-8 200 mg/w Nand. Deca.
Wk 8-10 20 or 25 mg d-bol

Would running the d-bol for 2 week spreads be effective at all in keeping my liver slightly healthier, as well as still supply comparable gains to running it for 4 weeks to jump start my test?

I may be overthinking this, but I thought I'd see if there was any particular reason I couldn't bump the deca up a few weeks and shift the d-bol intake. Thanks!

 

[Dooley]

bumpidge

 

[Dooley]

 

[lawnsaver]

Neither!!!

Always go simple stupid...try this!

Week 1 to 10: 250-500mg of test
Week 1 to 10: 200-400mg of EQ...stay away from deca
Week 1 to 5: 25mg of d-bol ED
Week 1 to 15: .25mg of a-dex EOD
Week 13 to 15: Clomid therapy...300mg day 1, 100mg next 10, 50mg final 10.

 

[Dooley]

Well fuck you very much lawn. I appreciate the help, but you can keep your snyde remarks to yourself. I wouldn't call that a "simple" cycle for me since this is my first one. Hence the reason my doses are low. I would say I'm testing the waters a bit to see what I react well to.

But.. props to you for at least taking the time to check out my idea bro. Anyone else have any suggestions/tips/ideas.. as long as you don't insult me, I'd say I'm pretty receptive at this point.

 

[lawnsaver]

Dooley, I'll try to be very nice here. I think you miss understood my comments. Your cycle suggestions were a little off. My comment simple stupid is a common phrase meaning, keep it simple. You were trying to add gear, take it out and put it back in.
I was simply trying to give you a cycle that was going to help you obtain the goals you want and a cycle that would be easier on your hpta.

Now that I have been calm...DO a fucking search and see how many newbies I have helped...look at the time I have been a member here, and look at the cycle I planned out for you! Its a pretty good fucking cycle! I left the dosing up to you jerk off. I would go to the higher levels, but I left it up to you in regards to the doses you wanted to take. There wasnt a condesending fucking remark in the entire post!

Stop being so sensitive and do your own fucking homework next time!

Ask anyone on this board which cycle contstruction is better...yours or mine, even with the low doses and 99% will say Lawnsavers right on the fucking money!

So...No, thank you so very fcuking much!

 

[Dooley]

Well I apologize then. I took your comment as condescending.. primarily because I misunderstood the "simple stupid" comment. I know damn well you've been here for a long time, and I've read a bunch of your newbie cycle posts. So I HAVE done research.. quite extensively in fact. At this time I'm not ready to test out that much gear. I'd like to keep it light to start and see if I'm particularly prone to any genetic sides. And from what I've gathered.. I can make some pretty damn good gains from 250mg of test, some d-bol, and l-dex. I threw the deca in just for fun. I recently read an article that said nandrolone is almost useless at a dose of 200, and is more worthwhile at around 400. And believe me.. I'd LOVE to go with your EQ idea.. but I don't have access to it, and the deca is readily available.... sooooo I went that way. If you have any more ideas.. I'd very much like to hear them. Thanks bro, and sorry about the confusion.

Dooley

 

[lawnsaver]

Thank you for the apology!

Just go with the Test/d-bol/a-dex. They all convert to estrogen and the a-dex will handle it. I once took 200mg of deca with 200mg of eq and 400mg of test. The deca gave me testicular atrophy which I still have 2 1/2 years later. Deca is to unpredictable and sinceit is a progestin, you are asking for problems, even with a small dose. Save you money and add a few more MG's of test.

Take the funds you were going to spend on deca and add more test. Do 1 1/2 ccs of test a week for 10 weeks. thats 375mg. That and 20mg of d-bol will be fine!.


Here is a re-post of my basic cycles: This is just to get a concept of stacking and not to be taken as biblical.

This thread is for newbies looking for cycles for specific goals.

Now before I get started, I have to emphisize that your diet is the key to achieving your goals. All cycles can be turned into a bulking cycle or cutting depending on your food consumption.

*Clomid therapy: 36 pills. 300mg day 1, 100mg next 10, 50mg final 10.

Solid first cycle

Week 1 to 10: 400mg of EQ
Week 1 to 10: 250mg of Test
Week 13 to 15: Clomid Therapy*

This will yield solid results. Depending on diet, training, and genetics, this cycle should yield anywhere form 15-25lbs to a first time gear user

Bulking Cycle # 1

Week 1 to 16: .5mg of arimidex EOD
Week 1 to 6: 30mg of D-bol ED
Week 1 to 10: 600mg of EQ
Week 1 to 10: 750mg of Test
Week 11 to 12: 500ius of HCG and 20mg of Nolvadex ED
Week 13 to 15: Clomid Therapy*

Bulking Cycle # 2

Week 1 to 5: 50mg of Anadrol ED
Week 1 to 6: 750mg of Test
Week 1 to 10: 400mg of Deca
Week 5 to 6: 500ius of HCG and 20mg of Nolvadex ED
Week 7 to 12: 75mg of Fina ED
Week 7 to 12: 100mg of Prop ED
Week 7 to 12: 50mg of Winny ED
Week 11 to 12: 500ius of HCG and 20mg of Nolavadex ED
Week 13 to 15: Clomid Therapy*

Cutting Cycle # 1

Week 1 to 8: 50mg of Prop ED
Week 1 to 8: 75mg of Fina ED
Week 1 to 8: 50mg of winny ED
Week 1 to 10: 50mg of proviron ED
Week 11 to 12: 500ius of HCG with 20mg of Nolvadex ED
Week 13 to 15: Clomid therapy

Cutting Cycle # 2

Week 1 to 16: .5mg of Arimidex EOD
Week 1 to 10: 400mg of EQ
Week 1 to 8: 40mg of Oxandralone ED
Week 4 to 12: 50mg of Prop ED
Week 7 to 12: 50mg of Winny ED
Week 11 to 12: 500ius of HCG and 20mg of Nolvadex ED
Week 13 to 15: Clomid Therapy*

Lean Mass Cycle

Week 1 to 16: .5mg of Arimidex EOD
Week 1 to 12: 2ius of GH 5 on 2 off
Week 1 to 10: 500mg of Test
Week 1 to 12: 400mg of EQ
Week 7 to 12: 40mg of Oxanadralone
Week 11 to 12: 500ius of HCG and 20mg of Nolvadex ED
Week 14 to 16: Clomid Therapy*

Basic bridge

Week 1 to 8: 30mg of Oxandralone ED
Week 1 to 8: 10 grams of creatine and 20 grams of glutamine Ed

Experienced Bridge

Week 1 to 8: 10ius of Insulin post workout
Week 1 to 8: 10 grams of creatine and 20 grams of glutamine Ed
Week 1 to 8: 100grams of Dextrose 10 minutes after slin shot
Week 1 to 8: 150grams( 3 shakes) of WPI during active time of slin.

There are many different combination that we can all use in the Iron Game. I have only used a few. These are basic cycles that will work well for many users. I have excluded Deca as I feel its negative effects on a HPTA is esaily avoided with the use of EQ. Some will say Fina will do the same thing, but because its ester works much faster, I believe it is not as suppressive as Deca.

Remember Diet is the key to all cycles. If you dont eat enough, you wont bulk, if you eat to much, you wont cut.

Diet is the key to success in the Iron Game!!


Guys, good luck and be safe!

 

[La-Ru]

I'm one who likes deca and the results I get from it. It's one of the best AS to start out with. Keep this in mind 200mg of deca is kind of worthless I would personally run 300- 400mg but that being said I would never run a higher dose of deca than test. So if you run 300-400mg of deca then run 500mg of test a week. It sounds like you want to keep it simple then take out the deca and d-bol and just run 250mg of test for 10 weeks. Try and keep your receptors fresh and through in the deca next go around. If you already have l-dex on hand you could run that to. Finish up with clomid.

 

[lawnsaver]

I'm one who likes deca and the results I get from it. It's one of the best AS to start out with. Keep this in mind 200mg of deca is kind of worthless I would personally run 300- 400mg but that being said I would never run a higher dose of deca than test. So if you run 300-400mg of deca then run 500mg of test a week. It sounds like you want to keep it simple then take out the deca and d-bol and just run 250mg of test for 10 weeks. Try and keep your receptors fresh and through in the deca next go around. If you already have l-dex on hand you could run that to. Finish up with clomid.

La-ru...I like your moderate advice, but A/R downregulation is a myth!! You dont have to worry about your receptors! The reasons why your gains slow mid to the end of the cycle is because you are reaching your genetic potential and your food consumption isnt enough to support new muscle growth.

Diet is key...Not gear! I will say Deca is a great steroid while you are on, but it sucks( for me ) when its time to recover!!

 

[Dooley]

Awesome post bro! I was actually thinking about getting rid of the deca after I wrote that last post.. then you just kinda sealed the deal for me with your last post. I'll just switch the 6 decas for 6 more test. Now.. with that in mind.. should I pyramid the test a little, or front load it, or go with 375 a week.

1:
Week 1-4 d-bol 20mgs/d
Week 1-2 test 250/w
Week 3-8 test 500/w
Week 8-10 test 250/w
w/l-dex and clomid post cycle fo sho.

2:
frontload the first 6 weeks with 500mgs/w finish up with 250 a week
plus the dbol/l-dex/clomid etc..

 

[La-Ru]

I personally wouldn't pyramid I think it's a waste of time. When I used a long acting test I don't see a reason to front load, keep it simple. If you can go with 375mg a week for 10 wks go for it.

Lawnsaver I agree with you diet is key and not gear

 

[lawnsaver]

No...keep your doese consistent all the way through. Wait your 14-21 days to start the clomid and you will be fine! I you can pick up a few more d-bol throw them in during weeks 11-12 at about 15mg so that you can jump right into clomid! If not, you will be fine!!

 

[Dooley]

I've got the extra d-bol to run on 11-12weeks, I like that idea. Thanks for the help guys!!!

Dooley