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builtbychevy

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damn i think my gear is under dossed test enanthate and metanolon...3rd week 13lbs up but i was already at about 9%bf and i feel i really dont have mucch bloat right now hell my last cycle of test c 700mg and tren ace 600mg i put on 12lbs the first week...

right now i just dont feel like the monster i did last time. hell i dont even have much of an appetite i kinda have to force my self to eat 6000cals it used to come easy
 
13lbs. in three weeks, is fricken awesome in my opinion. Plus you probably will never duplicate your first cycle growth again. Look at it like this, if you put on 13lbs. everytime you did a cycle you'd be a friggin monster in a couple years. LOL.
 
shit 13lbs is nothing to sneeze at in 3 weeks though it is mostly water and some fat. how much strenght have u gained? what are your doses on the dbol & test?

u were doing tren last time. no wonder u felt like a monster.
 
How much do you really expect to gain? Why would you wanna gain anymore than that unless you like looking fat and bloated. Hate to tell you but if you think that anymore than 5lbs. of that is muscle then your terribly mistaken.
 
last cycle i gaind 30lbs in 18weeks and i kept atleast 90% of those gains.currently running test e 500mg ew dbol 30mg ed soon to thro in some tren ace at 100mged and my body is very hard and defined right now i can barely pinch any skin when flexd unless water is dense in the muscle tissue...
 
builtbychevy said:
last cycle i gaind 30lbs in 18weeks and i kept atleast 90% of those gains.currently running test e 500mg ew dbol 30mg ed soon to thro in some tren ace at 100mged and my body is very hard and defined right now i can barely pinch any skin when flexd unless water is dense in the muscle tissue...
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Ok, but of that 30lbs. I bet no more than 5lbs was muscle. Maybe 7 if your lucky. Everyone thinks that gains are muscle. Gains are mostly fat and water.
 
im not sure i believe that because at the end of most of my cycles im usualy 10 - 30lbs in the + after i get all cut to where you can see the actual muscle fibers.... oh yeah i use igf and mgf alternating pct and on cycle for 5 yrs i think that makes a big difference lol
 
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you felt like a monster last time cus any one would on that much Trenbelone

your new cycle will be much more mild do to the relative decline in your new cycles "androgenicity"
 
ok that makes me feel better cuz for the last 4 cycles ive done they included tren i guess i forgot what it was like to only use test
 
OMEGA said:
you felt like a monster last time cus any one would on that much Trenbelone

your new cycle will be much more mild do to the relative decline in your new cycles "androgenicity"
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:)
 
builtbychevy said:
last cycle i gaind 30lbs in 18weeks and i kept atleast 90% of those gains.currently running test e 500mg ew dbol 30mg ed soon to thro in some tren ace at 100mged and my body is very hard and defined right now i can barely pinch any skin when flexd unless water is dense in the muscle tissue...
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I call BS on this. Nobody keeps 30lbs of gains i don't care how many weeks you were on. If that were the case we would all be 350lbs.
 
perryscoon said:
I call BS on this. Nobody keeps 30lbs of gains i don't care how many weeks you were on. If that were the case we would all be 350lbs.
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He did not say it was muscle.
Gains could just be FAT, some people seems to be happy with a weight gain regardless of what it consist off.

You see plenty of 350lbs guys out there. I think we call them FAT ASSES :)
 
Mac173 said:
Ok, but of that 30lbs. I bet no more than 5lbs was muscle. Maybe 7 if your lucky. Everyone thinks that gains are muscle. Gains are mostly fat and water.
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over a period of 18 weeks? I bet about 15 of it was muscle. hell, I can gain 5-7 lbs natty in 18 weeks and get leaner, though i am still somewhat of an amateur.
 
even with the most perfect of genetics, you're not gonna gain 15 SOLID, SUSTAINABLE muscles in a period of 18-weeks....the body's just not capable of it... so guys, stop fooling yourselves in thinking that gaining 15, 20, 30lbs by the end of a cycle is good thing... me, I am perfectly happy gaining 5-10 pounds per cycle because I know it's solid and I will keep it.
 
njmuscleguy said:
even with the most perfect of genetics, you're not gonna gain 15 SOLID, SUSTAINABLE muscles in a period of 18-weeks....the body's just not capable of it... so guys, stop fooling yourselves in thinking that gaining 15, 20, 30lbs by the end of a cycle is good thing... me, I am perfectly happy gaining 5-10 pounds per cycle because I know it's solid and I will keep it.
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The point is, it's not impossible. Those that are new/newer to gear will undoubtedly gain more than those that have done countless cycles. Hell, I gained 10 lbs in 6 weeks on t-bol and var after PCT, and got much leaner than before. My upper abs would barely show when flexed before, now my lowers are apparent without flexing, al while weighing 10 lbs more. That aint fat and water If my abs now show through( I was on and still am on a very strict diet that I hate, but i'm getting good gains so i keep going). Some people just respond much better than others.

I agree with you, that If i gained even 5 lbs after a cycle, I'd be a very happy camper.
 
njmuscleguy said:
even with the most perfect of genetics, you're not gonna gain 15 SOLID, SUSTAINABLE muscles in a period of 18-weeks....the body's just not capable of it... so guys, stop fooling yourselves in thinking that gaining 15, 20, 30lbs by the end of a cycle is good thing... me, I am perfectly happy gaining 5-10 pounds per cycle because I know it's solid and I will keep it.
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Agreed. I think that if you gain 5-7lbs of solid, keepable, muscle after a cycle you did well.
 
dabuffguy said:
over a period of 18 weeks? I bet about 15 of it was muscle. hell, I can gain 5-7 lbs natty in 18 weeks and get leaner, though i am still somewhat of an amateur.
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Lets say that 15lbs is muscle. At 2 cycles a year you would be putting on 30lbs of muscle a year. So if your started cycling at 23 weighing 150 then by the time you were 27 you would be 270 and shredded. Not likely or we all would be in the O.
 
only one person that i know that showed b4 and after with those kind of genetics. he would take 4 months off of the Mr. Olympia and get down to 210lbs. He would start training and juicing and get right back up to 250+ ripped. Part of that is muscle memory. I am sure there are others but something tells me they are pros as well.

btw his name is kevin levrone
 
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dabuffguy said:
The point is, it's not impossible. Those that are new/newer to gear will undoubtedly gain more than those that have done countless cycles. Hell, I gained 10 lbs in 6 weeks on t-bol and var after PCT, and got much leaner than before. My upper abs would barely show when flexed before, now my lowers are apparent without flexing, al while weighing 10 lbs more. That aint fat and water If my abs now show through( I was on and still am on a very strict diet that I hate, but i'm getting good gains so i keep going). Some people just respond much better than others.

I agree with you, that If i gained even 5 lbs after a cycle, I'd be a very happy camper.
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not impossible, agreed....but also very atypical....even with those running their first cycle ever...let's say their routines, diet and cycle were PERFECT (which you know they hardly ever are, especially for newbies)...to gain 15+ pounds, calling them REAL, SOLID MUSCLE with no fat or water at all...that's totally unreasonable...

95% (or more) of us here are not those genetic freaks, so we all subscribe to more realistic goals and results
 
dabuffguy said:
over a period of 18 weeks? I bet about 15 of it was muscle. hell, I can gain 5-7 lbs natty in 18 weeks and get leaner, though i am still somewhat of an amateur.
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Wow, amazing.
You can put on between 15 and 20 lbs of muscle a year naturally.

4 years naturally and you put on 80 lbs naturally.

See in Mr. Olympia soon.
 
haha you guys you can acomplish anything especially 30lbs its all about perfect diet training and sleep i usualy shoot for 7000-8000 cals usualy when i feel good i can do that but i dont settle for less than 6500 cals the more you eat you give your body a reason to grow. my career status i can take off a year for training and then go back to work after.... this enables me to train eat and sleep all day long.

EAT BIG LIFT BIG GET BIG
 
I'm curious.... what does eating 8,000 calories per day entail?
 
entail?? get up 6am eat all day long nap at 8-9 stop eatingat 11 drink mrp and carb drinks train at noon then eat sleep at 2-3 eat eat eat sleep at 7 thats what i usualy do to get 8000 lots of weight gainer shakes too
 
so you're saying you eat that weight-gainer crap, that's full of empty calories and fat and you're lean and solid?

more power to ya bro.... for the rest of us, we'd turn into fat slobs... I can't even imagine trying to guzzle that much of that stuff down!
 
high intensity training bro train till failure i guess i have good luck then right? if i slack in my training yes i do start to get a lil pugy then i go crazy and train like a monster i like to keep a lil body fat for energy purposes and bp more nutrients to the muscle then towards the end i start leaning out very nicely just stick to your goals

EAT BIG LIFT BIG GET BIG
 
sorry for scrutinizing....if it works for you great.... the rest of us, not so lucky! *grin*
 
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haha you guys you can acomplish anything especially 30lbs its all about perfect diet training and sleep i usualy shoot for 7000-8000 cals usualy when i feel good i can do that but i dont settle for less than 6500 cals the more you eat you give your body a reason to grow. my career status i can take off a year for training and then go back to work after.... this enables me to train eat and sleep all day long.

EAT BIG LIFT BIG GET BIG
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Post some pics
 
you know what truthfully honestly my fucking camera is broken i got ashes and moisture in it when i was documenting my tools after my house burnt down but i promise ill figure some way to get some pics up
 
Shit if your house burnt down on this site, you post pics of an european bodybuilder, whom you resemble.
 
Oh I dunno...I can tell you about a guy who has trained quite a few people including National level competitors and pros as well, who will routinely have guys gaining from 20+ lbs. to 50+ lbs. a year (regardless of aas use or not), while keeping their bodyfat the same or less.
Examples:
1)188 to 260(2.5 years)
2)172 to 254 (3 years)
3)208 to 261(clean! genetic ectomorph 1 year)
4)218 to 275 (cut his juice in half, doubled his protein, showed him how to train correctly-2 years)

But you guys wouldn't believe me anyway and you'd just say it can't be done because you've never done it and by god no one knows better than you!

Amazing what the right diet and training can do.
 
ceo said:
Oh I dunno...I can tell you about a guy who has trained quite a few people including National level competitors and pros as well, who will routinely have guys gaining from 20+ lbs. to 50+ lbs. a year (regardless of aas use or not), while keeping their bodyfat the same or less.
Examples:
1)188 to 260(2.5 years)
2)172 to 254 (3 years)
3)208 to 261(clean! genetic ectomorph 1 year)
4)218 to 275 (cut his juice in half, doubled his protein, showed him how to train correctly-2 years)

But you guys wouldn't believe me anyway and you'd just say it can't be done because you've never done it and by god no one knows better than you!

Amazing what the right diet and training can do.
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and genetics......
 
experience here is that guys that are ON can gain 30-35 in one 9 months if you do it perfectly

guys natural can gain about 15-20 pounds

after that first push maybe 3-5 a year IF you very lucky or slowly add more supps/gear
 
ceo said:
you must've missed that part about the genetic ectomorph gaining 53 lbs in one year.
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no i caught that. but there are still 3 others on your list that i am sure had great genetics.
 
ceo said:
But you guys wouldn't believe me anyway and you'd just say it can't be done because you've never done it and by god no one knows better than you!

Amazing what the right diet and training can do.
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yes, we all know what the "right diet and training" can do... but can you tell me that 1 in 10 guys can make these amazing gains you've cited or that builtbychevy has achieved? 1 in 20? 1 in 50? You see where I'm getting at... even with dedication in training and diet, most of us here will not make such astronomical gains.... not saying it's IMPOSSIBLE...just not the norm
 
njmuscleguy said:
even with the most perfect of genetics, you're not gonna gain 15 SOLID, SUSTAINABLE muscles in a period of 18-weeks....the body's just not capable of it... so guys, stop fooling yourselves in thinking that gaining 15, 20, 30lbs by the end of a cycle is good thing... me, I am perfectly happy gaining 5-10 pounds per cycle because I know it's solid and I will keep it.
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Not even bro.... 5-10 lbs per cycle, maybe if you are on your second or if you take years off and shrink back to your pre-cycle size.

In all actuality even staying on year round, if you have laid the ground work, gaining 5lbs per YEAR would be a lot... let alone per cycle.

Ask some guys like Needsize or Quadsweep....
 
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