UMMMM.. yeah hcg will lower your LH and FSH but boost test

[stevesmi]

got an angry PM from a member who said in nicer terms "steve you stupid idiot!! you told me to run hcg after cycle but now I ran bloods and my LH is still low and my FSH dropped!!" hehehe.. but he was confused as to why his test levels jumped from 80 to 500.

hcg and hmg both mimic LH so it is common sense your body would recognize that and say "shit we can just stop producing lh and fsh" .. HCG causes a negative feed loop to which suppress LH. HCG is an LH analog.

Your hypothalamus sends a chemical signal to your pituitary gland called GnRH, this once hits the pituitary gland sends another chemical signal to your leydig cells called LH and FSH, one is to make sperm and one is to make testosterone.

If HCG mimics LH and to some extent FSH why would the body manufacture LH and FSH in the presence of adding it exogenously??? hmmmmmm...

If your not producing alot of LH and FSH but have near normal testosterone levels then this suggests to me that your leydig cells are sensitised due to low LH.
If this is in fact the case then adding HCG will raise testosterone and at the same time probably make your leydig cells desensitize leaving you with lower test levels due to the leydig cells not being as sensitive.

hence thats why you run the hcg/hmg BEFORE your pct as a kickstart. then once you start pct and run it the hcg will be out of your system and the LH will jump as well. and now you will have good levels of LH, FSH, and test in line. hence you would be on your way to recovery and feel so much better on pct then lets say going through a hellish pct with double digits test levels.

so use hcg but use it correctly. the stuff works great and should be used every injectable cycle IMO. but should never be abused. once you come off the hcg and it tapers away your LH and FSH will begin bouncing beautifully as you enjoy PCT. then once you have a rock solid HPTA you can go back on cycle again. thats the way its done people.

hope this all makes sense and my rant came out properly, hope i didn't confuse people further lol

questions? comments? concerns?

 

[Jbranken]

Beautiful post. Some ppl still argue when you try to tell them that hcg in pct is a no no

 

[bigbassturd]

Spot on bro. This is why I always say how important it is to run HCGenerate the last few weeks of a cycle, then blast HCG on the two week 'break' before PCT, and then drop it. Use DAA in something like D-Spark or Test Infusion to bump your natural LH (which will in turn further kickstart natural test production) and keep estrogen under control.

No reason to worry about tanking these days. With the PCT I run I feel almost no difference between on cycle and PCT. Helps me stay focused and keep improving. The two steps forward, one step back approach really doesn't appeal to me, and it doesn't have to be that way anymore....

 

[stevesmi]

^^^
i agree test infusion has been a godsend during pct. its got a lot of good shit in it like DAA. anyone who wants a discount let me know i can hook them up with a bottle on the cheap. and best of all its makes you feel gooooooooooood.

 

[dylangemelli]

Great post steve... This should clear up a lot of the questions out there when it comes to hcg... I hope everyone reads this because this is very important info

 

[stevesmi]

thanks.


forgot to mention also estradiol will jump a bit as well after an hcg run... totally normal and nothing to be alarmed about.. a little bit of forma during this period will do the job at controlling it

 

[SinisterUproar]

got an angry PM from a member who said in nicer terms "steve you stupid idiot!! you told me to run hcg after cycle but now I ran bloods and my LH is still low and my FSH dropped!!" hehehe.. but he was confused as to why his test levels jumped from 80 to 500.

hcg and hmg both mimic LH so it is common sense your body would recognize that and say "shit we can just stop producing lh and fsh" .. HCG causes a negative feed loop to which suppress LH. HCG is an LH analog.

Your hypothalamus sends a chemical signal to your pituitary gland called GnRH, this once hits the pituitary gland sends another chemical signal to your leydig cells called LH and FSH, one is to make sperm and one is to make testosterone.

If HCG mimics LH and to some extent FSH why would the body manufacture LH and FSH in the presence of adding it exogenously??? hmmmmmm...

If your not producing alot of LH and FSH but have near normal testosterone levels then this suggests to me that your leydig cells are sensitised due to low LH.
If this is in fact the case then adding HCG will raise testosterone and at the same time probably make your leydig cells desensitize leaving you with lower test levels due to the leydig cells not being as sensitive.

hence thats why you run the hcg/hmg BEFORE your pct as a kickstart. then once you start pct and run it the hcg will be out of your system and the LH will jump as well. and now you will have good levels of LH, FSH, and test in line. hence you would be on your way to recovery and feel so much better on pct then lets say going through a hellish pct with double digits test levels.

so use hcg but use it correctly. the stuff works great and should be used every injectable cycle IMO. but should never be abused. once you come off the hcg and it tapers away your LH and FSH will begin bouncing beautifully as you enjoy PCT. then once you have a rock solid HPTA you can go back on cycle again. thats the way its done people.

hope this all makes sense and my rant came out properly, hope i didn't confuse people further lol

questions? comments? concerns?

So the proper way to use it is in the 2 weeks before starting pct?

 

[noodles1010]

im thinking over the next 3 weeks i am going to keep a hmg/hcg log if my doc will prescribe it to me. i am the ideal candidate for this right now.
ran cycle, test is low, lh and fsh are low due to the hcg than they were before hand. pretty much everything steve was saying is me spot on. i just ran bloods and got my results. i will update 2 times a week and follow up with final bloods after the hcg/hmg/pct. ill copy a link here when i begin

 

[stevesmi]

So the proper way to use it is in the 2 weeks before starting pct?

there is not necessarily a 'proper way' per-say.

i would say using it at the end of pct is a nono..

and then using it during your ENTIRE cycle from day 1 is unecessary and overkill.

if you want to use it to your best benefit it makes most sense to run it while the esters are clicking away in a blast. then run your pct . of course the latter half of your cycle its a great idea to run hcgenerate or a low dose of hcg too. that will make things even better

 

[stevesmi]

im thinking over the next 3 weeks i am going to keep a hmg/hcg log if my doc will prescribe it to me. i am the ideal candidate for this right now.
ran cycle, test is low, lh and fsh are low due to the hcg than they were before hand. pretty much everything steve was saying is me spot on. i just ran bloods and got my results. i will update 2 times a week and follow up with final bloods after the hcg/hmg/pct. ill copy a link here when i begin

yeah in your situation running bloods often and forming a timeline will not only help you relax and know what is going on in your body but it will also be a great learning experience for future cycles