ultram for nubain, vicoden withdrawal

[pgerardone]

Felt this may be helpful info for some since I have been reading lots of posts concerning opiate addiction lately.

Getting off without withdrawing using ultram:
Ultram basically kills the withdrawal symptoms without getting you high. It works for vicoden, nubain, codiene, stadol and to a lesser degree percocet. Although it does not work if you are taking high doses of oxycodone I.V. or even orally at a high dose as in oxycontin. The only way off oxys is a detox.
Anyway you can start with 3-4 50mg ultram tabs every 6 hours. Every three days lower it by one pill per dose. When you are at 1 every six hours for three days start with 1/2 e6hours, then 1/4 every 6 for three days and then off. If you feel any symptoms you can take an extra ultram and work down from there, everyones different. At that point you will be off without any significant withdrawal. The tricky part is staying off. Ultram is easily obtained through a doctor because the drug is not scheduled. Most docs will give a script for it if you complain about back pain or something like that, although I would not tell him you are using it to come off opiates that you are abusing. He probably will not give it to you for that reason since it is not indicated for treatment of withdrawal symptoms.

 

[JibbyJabba]

my take...

sounds nice in principle...however, as I know a bit about opiate withdrawal, i don't think its a good idea to withdraw while not under medical supervision...as well, I think bunonepherine (sp?) would be preferable to Ultram

 

[pgerardone]

Re: my take...

Granted under medical supervision is always a better idea, in a perfect world. However, most bodybuilders I know, myself included, would either stay on the opistes or suffer through 10 days of horrible withdrawal before they would check in to a detox. Others can not afford a detox and have no insurance(bodybuilding does not offer a great benefit plan). So the ultram offers a way that one can get off these drugs and not suffer in the process. There is no danger in detoxing yourself off opiates as opiate withrawal is not life threatening and does not cause siezures. As for the beuphomine(sp?), it is much easier to get ultram as I don't even think a pharmacy can dispense buph yet and the ultram works like a charm.
BTW, there is no "in principal" about it, this method works 100%. I have done it and others I know have also. As I said earlier though, staying off is the hard part and for some that may require counciling and possibly 12 step type meetings.

 

[pgerardone]

bump

 

[justwannagetsum]

Unfortuately, I know too much about opiate withdrawal. But here are some tips
Ideally buprenex(buprenorphine) is the best with clonidine and Immodium for the shits. Also some Benadryl (opiates and opiate w/ds release histamine) , 50 - 100 mgs TID and Ibuprofen for the aches. Between.1and .3 mgs of clonidine three times a day depending on severity. If you can't get buprenex, A decreasing dose of codeine may be useful, but might also prolong detox. If you dont have to function and can stay at home and detox, forget the bup or the cod, just tough it out with the rest of the shit.
Also, Clonidine releases natural growth hormone (not a lot but some) so added bonus.
I personally have not had success using Ultram, although it would help the aches. Ultram can be dangerous though, realize it lowers the seizure threshold and too much can definitely cause a siezure. In withdrawal you are more succeptible to a seizure.
Good luck bro
JWGS

 

[pgerardone]

Ultram only works 100% only with vicoden, nubain and stadol. If you were abusing oxycodone, morphine, heroin, dilaudid ect. forget the ultram route. Otherwise I have to disagree with "Just" on the other drugs he was talking about. I have tried clonidine and it does not do much and trying a decreasing amount of codiene is a joke. The problem with trying a taper with codiene or hydrocodone is that it is very hard for an addict to stay on a taper schedule and not decide to eat a handful of pills to get high. This is not a problem with ultram because it does not get you high no matter what. Ultram has caused seizures but at very high doses, higher then what I have ever used to combat withdrawal.
BTW opiate withdrawal does not cause seizures I think you may be thinking of benzos like valium. Opiate withdrawal is horrible but not dangerous.

 

[dieslgrl]

naltrexone is another drug that can be used when going through withdrawl... it competes with the opiate receptors and in the same fashion, it will eliminate withdrawl symptoms without getting you high (you also can't get high if you still take the drug while on the opiate drug)... I thought ultram was a pain-killer as well, just to a lesser degree than that of nubain.. maybe I was wrong?

dg

 

[JibbyJabba]

oh, OK...

Jesus, I wish Brett Favre knew this incredible revelation. Instead of risking his public image, he could've just gotten some Ultram... he's such a pussy, I mean, if Vicodin withdrawal is "not dangerous", he should've just toughed it out... and yeah dude, you're right that Clonidine, a anti-hypertensive drug, is of no use to someone withdrawing complaining of their heart beating threw their chest. I mean damn, is there anything Ultram can't do?
(that's sarcasm btw)

Being an ex-addict, a med student, and son of a person who used to work in a methadone clinic, I can say that jestwannagetsum's suggested course of action for someone withdrawing is much more logical and effective.

 

[justwannagetsum]

BTW opiate withdrawal does not cause seizures I think you may be thinking of benzos like valium. Opiate withdrawal is horrible but not dangerous.

I have tried clonidine and it does not do much

No, Opiate w/d wont cause siezure, it can lower the siezure threshold.

Opiate withdrawal increases BP to a high extent and clonidine helps you not feel like your skin is crawling

Buprenex can be dispensed in a pharmacy, and it is possible that you can get a Psychiatrist to prescribe it for opiate withdrawal, although most will send you to detox.

 

[justwannagetsum]

Opiate withdrawal is horrible but not dangerous

Phew!, I guess all the detox centers can shut down, they must be scammers!(sorry, I couldn't resist)

The increase in blood pressure can cause a heart attack from opiate w/d

 

[bEEfJerky]

get an oz of some bomb grass and stick it out.most of all it's about will power..

jerky..

 

[pgerardone]

Re: oh, OK...

Jesus, I wish Brett Favre knew this incredible revelation. Instead of risking his public image, he could've just gotten some Ultram... he's such a pussy, I mean, if Vicodin withdrawal is "not dangerous", he should've just toughed it out... and yeah dude, you're right that Clonidine, a anti-hypertensive drug, is of no use to someone withdrawing complaining of their heart beating threw their chest. I mean damn, is there anything Ultram can't do?
(that's sarcasm btw)

Being an ex-addict, a med student, and son of a person who used to work in a methadone clinic, I can say that jestwannagetsum's suggested course of action for someone withdrawing is much more logical and effective.

I really don't care if you are a med student or a harvard med school prof ultram works to get people off of vicoden and nubain, period! I have done it and I have advised others on how to do it and it works. Clonidine does nothing to alliviate withdrawal symptoms. It does control blood pressure but try to go to work in withdrawal with only a clonidine patch. Not everyone can afford to take 30 day off of work for a drug d re-hab or even 7 for a detox. This method gives them an alternative.
And Brett Farvre may be a pussy because there is no danger in vicoden withdrawal, NONE! It is uncomfortable, period! It is not dangerous or deadly. Alcohol and benzo withdrawal does need to be under a professional but there is nothing wrong with someone detoxing themselves off of opiates. I suggest you re-read your med school books. And btw being the son of a methadone clinic head probably makes you less qualified to tell people how to come off drugs. Methadone is worse then dope.

 

[pgerardone]

Phew!, I guess all the detox centers can shut down, they must be scammers!(sorry, I couldn't resist)

The increase in blood pressure can cause a heart attack from opiate w/d

Detoxes are not necessary for opiate withdrawal. People go there because they are scared of withdrawal and are looking for a more comfortable way, not because they need medical attention when detoxing. And as I said before, some can not afford a detox because they have no insurance.
Someone would have to be in bad shape to begin with to have a heart attack from opiate withdrawal. And with the ultram their blood pressure would never rise anyway because they never really go into withdrawal. It is a gradual taper off and worth a try since most have tried countless ways anyway. It is much better then cold turkey, which is the way most try, and fail, to kick.