Ultimate Clen and T3 debate thread

[AAP]

Ok, here is the deal.... two different cycles of clen/T3. Debate the pros and cons of each.

The scenario = friend has 4 weeks (28 days) to drop a few % of bodyfat. Training, diet and cardio is being taken care of by me so you know it is going to be effective. (he lifts regularly, I am just tweaking it).

Something to consider... 4 weeks is not enough time to really take advantage of the 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off clen regimine.

So I have laid out something like this :
(he has used T3 before)

Day 1-2 : 25mcg
Day 3-4 : 50mcg
Day 5-8 : 75mcg
Day 9-11 : 100mcg
Day 12-15 : 125mcg
Day 16-21 : 150mcg
Day 22-23 : 125mcg
Day 24-25 : 100 mcg
Day 26-27 : 50mcg
Day 27-35 : 12.5mcg

Ok, the clen is tricky. Some people say you can run clen the entire time if you are on T3. Not sure if any truth to this.... has someone ever tried?

Alternative is to do clen on Week 1 and Week 3, a one week on, one week off kind of thing.

What is the opinions/suggestions?

 

[raam]

I suppose he can run the clen 2 out of the 4 weeks of t3. Wow, 150mcg, is a lot, damn !

 

[ricorico]

clens fat burning effects stop after about 18 days of use, so that week off will be crucial for the beta receptors to upregulate

 

[toxicsambo]

Ok, here is the deal.... two different cycles of clen/T3. Debate the pros and cons of each.

The scenario = friend has 4 weeks (28 days) to drop a few % of bodyfat. Training, diet and cardio is being taken care of by me so you know it is going to be effective. (he lifts regularly, I am just tweaking it).

Something to consider... 4 weeks is not enough time to really take advantage of the 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off clen regimine.

So I have laid out something like this :
(he has used T3 before)

Day 1-2 : 25mcg
Day 3-4 : 50mcg
Day 5-8 : 75mcg
Day 9-11 : 100mcg
Day 12-15 : 125mcg
Day 16-21 : 150mcg
Day 22-23 : 125mcg
Day 24-25 : 100 mcg
Day 26-27 : 50mcg
Day 27-35 : 12.5mcg

Ok, the clen is tricky. Some people say you can run clen the entire time if you are on T3. Not sure if any truth to this.... has someone ever tried?

Alternative is to do clen on Week 1 and Week 3, a one week on, one week off kind of thing.

What is the opinions/suggestions?

The 2on/2off is more of a safe guard from ppl overdosing over a long duration. The body won't totally lose it's affinity to Clen after 3 weeks, and with the T3 I think your O.k. It looks good to me.
I'd start of with 50mcgs of T3 right off the bat. I don't think there's a need to taper from 25mcgs to 50, 50 is a safe dose. And considering the time restraint.

Clen every other week would mean ramping his daily dose quick. 40, 60, 80, 100, 120, 140, 120. But the crash may turn him into a fkn cripple from cramping. Unless 5-6 grams of Taurine daily does the job. Everyone is different. How's his tolerance to Clen anyway?

That's my 2 cents. Good luck orb.

 

[boxerjake]

Clen and diet should do the trick ..... T-3 off the sause is to catabolic for me .

Clen for 3 weeks plus a diet tweak and more cardio should be lots ( maybe even a carb blocker ) , sounds like your friend has a deadline ? wants to look good for a certian upcoming occasion ? if so there are a dozen ways to drop a pile of water weight a few days out ... lasix throws off 10 pounds on me in a real hurry but if your using dieretics you best know what your doing .....

 

[AuthentiK DZyne]

Hey All... New on here... Im going to be starting Clen myself... A little nervous...

 

[swordfish151]

Ok, here is the deal.... two different cycles of clen/T3. Debate the pros and cons of each.

The scenario = friend has 4 weeks (28 days) to drop a few % of bodyfat. Training, diet and cardio is being taken care of by me so you know it is going to be effective. (he lifts regularly, I am just tweaking it).

Something to consider... 4 weeks is not enough time to really take advantage of the 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off clen regimine.

So I have laid out something like this :
(he has used T3 before)

Day 1-2 : 25mcg
Day 3-4 : 50mcg
Day 5-8 : 75mcg
Day 9-11 : 100mcg
Day 12-15 : 125mcg
Day 16-21 : 150mcg
Day 22-23 : 125mcg
Day 24-25 : 100 mcg
Day 26-27 : 50mcg
Day 27-35 : 12.5mcg

Ok, the clen is tricky. Some people say you can run clen the entire time if you are on T3. Not sure if any truth to this.... has someone ever tried?

Alternative is to do clen on Week 1 and Week 3, a one week on, one week off kind of thing.

What is the opinions/suggestions?

I've never run clen straight through for that long..always been on the 2 week on 2 week off cycle...keep in mind though that you siad 4 weeks isnt enough...well once you cycle off the clen for those 2 weeks its still working..you would be suprised that jumping on an ECA at that point will work very well...im just not sure at what point clen will stop working if taking for 28 days straight..even when rammped

 

[toxicsambo]

AAP read this article from Bodybuilding.com on Clen stacked with Yohimbine HCL


"Another good match for clenbuterol in a stack is the plant derivative yohimbine Hcl. It does concern the standardized product yohimbine here and not the raw material yohimbe, which is useless. In small doses of 20-30 mg per day, it can stop the down-regulation of the noradrenaline feedback mechanisms, that usually inhibit the actions of noradrenaline by reducing receptor affinity. This has two important uses. The first is that the length of action of clenbuterol can be enhanced by a few hours when using it together with yohimbine Hcl (although it already has a considerable half-life time7 of 36 hours and one daily dose should suffice) , and the second is that concomitant use of yohimbine Hcl may allow clenbuterol to induce its fatburning aspects on a longer term than the normal 2-3 weeks, so it can be used for 5-6 weeks instead."

 

[AAP]

AAP read this article from Bodybuilding.com on Clen stacked with Yohimbine HCL


"Another good match for clenbuterol in a stack is the plant derivative yohimbine Hcl. It does concern the standardized product yohimbine here and not the raw material yohimbe, which is useless. In small doses of 20-30 mg per day, it can stop the down-regulation of the noradrenaline feedback mechanisms, that usually inhibit the actions of noradrenaline by reducing receptor affinity. This has two important uses. The first is that the length of action of clenbuterol can be enhanced by a few hours when using it together with yohimbine Hcl (although it already has a considerable half-life time7 of 36 hours and one daily dose should suffice) , and the second is that concomitant use of yohimbine Hcl may allow clenbuterol to induce its fatburning aspects on a longer term than the normal 2-3 weeks, so it can be used for 5-6 weeks instead."

Hmmm... I have some Rx'd yohimbine tablets from the pharmacy I can give him.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

run CB for the full 28 days (per PM)
run Clen until effects diminish usually shortly after week 2
run clen essentials for entire time (all 28 days)
taurine 5 grams
alcar 2 grams
potassium 600mg to 1000mg
magnesium 500-800mg
yohimburn (yohimbine hcl) stacks well with clen alone, CB alone or CLen + CB.

t3- if not on gear keep the dose low- some in general do not reccomend running t3 without AAS unless diet is really dialed in the excellent meal timing and protein intake. (or if they have low thyroid)

 

[Ulter]

You can save the yohimbine hcl and just use Thermorexin. Then you'll have a full blown diet formula that includes it. He's going to get zonked using that much T3 and clen so he'll probably welcome the Trex.
The plan look good.

 

[AAP]

Now the yohimbine I have are actual doctor Rx'd from the pharmacy. 5.4mg so I can give that to him. But I have T-Rex that I can part with (too strong for me).

Run T-Rex the whole 28 days? 3 caps daily? (broken up in three doses?)

He is on 500mg test cyp weekly and 50mg winny daily.

 

[Ulter]

I don't think he'll be able to handle that much Trex with Clen in the summer. He may just find that 2/day is enough. He could probably just as easily use Cardio Breeze as long as you're already supplementing the Yo HCL. He'll be missing synephrine but appy suppession isn't the goal here.

 

[AAP]

Well T-Rex was too strong for me any time of the year. So CB + the yohimbine I have (one tab daily?)

and is it ok to run the clen for 3 weeks straight and then stop the last week? Because the one time I used it, it took a week for my head to clear up from all the headaches it brought me.

 

[Ulter]

That's a pretty rare side effect unless you're really low carbing or dehydrated. He should be good for the 4 weeks. BTW it's the Yohimbine that usually causes that. So go easy.

 

[c3bodybuilding]

This reminds me, whatever happened to those beach lifters you let train with you a few years back? If I remember, one was making really good progress and showed potential.

As for the clen and t3 for one month straight,isn't there a research chemical that clears out the recepters? I also 'heard' bennadryl does the same. My wife is running them back to back for a month as well, so far so good.

 

[AAP]

Now that the T3 dose is laid out, what about dose for clen?

 

[Ulter]

That no one can tell you. You should take it according to your tolerance. I used to use a thermometer. Take your temperature and then take it again after a couple clen. When you see your body temp rise, that's your dose.

 

[AAP]

That no one can tell you. You should take it according to your tolerance. I used to use a thermometer. Take your temperature and then take it again after a couple clen. When you see your body temp rise, that's your dose.

That sounds like too much work. Shit.


(hahahahaa)

 

[Prizz]

Well, if he's already a bit chunky, over 15% bf, the Clen isn't gonna do shit..... If he's pretty lean to start with, under 15%, the Clen will work great..... Which is it?

rizz

 

[AAP]

Well, if he's already a bit chunky, over 15% bf, the Clen isn't gonna do shit..... If he's pretty lean to start with, under 15%, the Clen will work great..... Which is it?

rizz

Over 15%. Hence the reason for trying T3 too

 

[Prizz]

Well, in that case he'd get better results from ECA.... There was a study done on Clen, given to Rats. Numbers aren't exact, but it sorta went like this.... 10 obese Rats, 10 lean rats were given the same dosages of Clen.... The 10 obese rats showed very little BF loss, while the 10 lean rats lost a much higher BF%.... The exact mechanism isn't known, but the study was actually posted on this site.... So if youre a Plat member, you can do a search for Clen Study Rats, and prob find it.... If you do, plz post the link, cause I've been looking for that link.....

rizz