Ulter and others, Haven't seen a thread like this in a while so....

[jagerbombme]

Just a few questions and discussion hopefully on staying on.

If one were to run a cycle of multiple hormones say test deca dbol, simple stack. and they were to continue using test at a lower dose to bridge, being the off period.

I know you guys that stay on run hcg to fill your balls back up and keep them from permanently (heard this but don't know if it's true) getting shutdown or responding lets say to LH.

Now, while your "off". do you run clomid or something else to get your pit and hyp glands going again???? do these glands get permanently shutdown?

I've read now that nolvadex does the same thing as clomid, so maybe you could run a cycle like

test, npp, then pick up with some dbols when the npp is discontinued and then say go off, which again is still running test. you wait for the nandralone to clear and run some nolvadex which should excite your hyp and pit glands to work again, run some hcg to get the balls going again. how would you time these events.


basically for discussion. if you were going to stay on. how do you stack your anti e's and hcg timed with your cycles on and off to keep your body from permanent shutdown if this is even possible.

and last but not least, does test, nolvadex, hcg, or clomid say fuck up your lipids, such as fat and cholesterol blood levels? basically the chemicals your using on off times?

thanks, hopefully this sparks some good discussion on this topic.

another question. what about say, a 40 day prop only cycle of 100mg eod and then 40 days off and then 40 days on. i say 40 days cause it's exactly 2 bottles at that dosage. would these be nice little cycles, easy to recover off of and harmless to your body assuming test doesn't fuck with your lipids and you watch your estrogen and BP.

 

[odoyal rulez]

no experience with this, but Id sure like to see the responses

 

[MR. BMJ]

"Just a few questions and discussion hopefully on staying on.

If one were to run a cycle of multiple hormones say test deca dbol, simple stack. and they were to continue using test at a lower dose to bridge, being the off period.

I know you guys that stay on run hcg to fill your balls back up and keep them from permanently (heard this but don't know if it's true) getting shutdown or responding lets say to LH."

Ulter is older and really only uses Hcg for "aesthetic" purposes. Also, he does not use it every week like some users do. Instead, he does a bout every 4-8 weeks using 1,000iu per day for 7-10 days.

In the case of Ulter, he isn't really looking for "recovery" because he is on a life-long HRT (unless you are planning on more kids boss???). Therefore, Nolvadex is basically useless to him. AIFM is used to combat estrous sides. However, some users will take Clomid throughout their cycle as well instead of using Hcg. E2, a past Moderator did this all the time. I've doen it as well. It is very effective, but do not expect it to keep you from being shut down. That is inevitable. Hcg will only mimick LH while you are on it, but after cessation, these effects are gone. In order to fully recover, you will need to come off completely.

"Now, while your "off". do you run clomid or something else to get your pit and hyp glands going again???? do these glands get permanently shutdown?"

If while still on even low dose test, it will not help unless you fully come off AAS. If you come "off" completely from AAS, then yes, eventually with time, you will recover.

"I've read now that nolvadex does the same thing as clomid, so maybe you could run a cycle like test, npp, then pick up with some dbols when the npp is discontinued and then say go off, which again is still running test. you wait for the nandralone to clear and run some nolvadex which should excite your hyp and pit glands to work again, run some hcg to get the balls going again. how would you time these events."

You can wait for the Nandrolone to clear and use Nolvadex, but why? If you are still gonna be on low dose test, then you are not gonna recover at all. Therefore, the decision becomes one in which to combat estrous sides. AIFM, as a suicidal aromatase inhibitor, is much more effective at this. Basically, if you are on AAS/low dose test (ala...HRT) recovery is not of concern. The only reason to use Hcg will be for its "aesthetic" purposes. If one were sensitive to estrous sides from Hcg, then Clomid would be the alternative. AIFM or some kind of AI should be used simultaneously.

"basically for discussion. if you were going to stay on. how do you stack your anti e's and hcg timed with your cycles on and off to keep your body from permanent shutdown if this is even possible."

Basically...like Imentioned earlier, you will run your AI to combat estrous sides. Hcg will be used sparingly every so often for aesthetic purposes. Since you are staying on, you WILL be shut down. If you come off, you will recover with proper PCT as time goes on.

"and last but not least, does test, nolvadex, hcg, or clomid say fuck up your lipids, such as fat and cholesterol blood levels? basically the chemicals your using on off times?"

Most, if not all AAS will mess up the cholesterol levels. Remember, we are not couch potatoes, so I think these values are blown out of proportion to those who follow a good diet and stay active. If you stay on AAS, your lipid values will most likely stay out of whack from the "normal" levels that are used for non-AAS users.

"thanks, hopefully this sparks some good discussion on this topic."

"another question. what about say, a 40 day prop only cycle of 100mg eod and then 40 days off and then 40 days on. i say 40 days cause it's exactly 2 bottles at that dosage. would these be nice little cycles, easy to recover off of and harmless to your body assuming test doesn't fuck with your lipids and you watch your estrogen and BP."

Is this coming off AAS completely for 40 days? If so, it is possible to recover inthat time, however, it's hard to say as every body will sort of recover differently. Recovering from test only cycles will be easier than if progestins were included in the cycle (Tren/nandrolones). Take an AI like AIFM and along with exercise and a clean diet, and you will more thanlikely be okay....

man....hope my red comes out good.

BMJ

 

[Ulter]

I won't address what you wrote about using various AS. It really doesn't matter what you chose to stay on with or bridge with.
You use HCG for libido and aesthetics (big testes) and nothing else.
When you shut down your HPTA it's shut down from making test. But that doesn't mean it's not still operational. If it was turned off then it wouldn't know when your E levels fall low enough that you need test from your testes. And it does. So it's still there measuring for the negative feedback.
HCG can be used to help restart it in a month, a year, a decade, and it'll all be the same except for the length of recovery. I don't think using HCG, as some people have advocated, on a constant basis is a good idea. You're adding and estrogen every week and good doesn't outweigh the possible bad. You can get gyno from just using HCG and no steroids at all.
DO NOT USE NOLVA WITH DECA. Use Aromasin or AIFM every day.
Going on and off every 40 days is not what I would do. But you could. I don't think it's going to be any different than 60 days on and off.
Steroids mess up your lipid profile. No matter what you use or how you take it. I am one who does not believe that a bad lipid profile is an indicator of future CAD in health, exercising men. So I don't care about what steroids do to my lipid profile.

I use Red Yeast Rice and Policosanol in order to keep the bad cholesterol down. So my doctor will leave me the fuck alone about it. <<end rant>>

 

[jagerbombme]

ahh, thanks. can i ask what is CAD Ulter. also, is red yeast rice just a type of rice at the store.

 

[Ulter]

Coronary Artery Disease
Red yeast Rice Extract It's at Target or your local drug store.